I would like to hear the molucular description of the race.

I would like to see a molecular description of the factions, and like what type of genus or order they would be like. I know this would do none thing for game play, but it would be nice to be able read about. 

  1. Like do they use different amino acids. This is sugars instead of protein.

2, Are they 98% water, or are they some other solvent like.

 a. methane.

 b. sulferic acid.

 c. Amonia.

 d. chlorine.

 c. carbon

3. What kind of apnosphere do they breathe.

4. What substance are they made up of,

 a. germaniun

 b. silicon

5. Different amino acids.

 a. peptides.

6. energy cources for food.

I know there are gaps because I haven't looked it up in awhile, so if there are things I forgot you can add them. The main thing I want to hear is Stardock is going to put a list like this somewhere to read about, and how much others would want this to read about. You can comment anything though.

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The quickest way would be to browse the store under games which will give you the full list.

https://store.stardock.com/browse

There's lot of various DLC and expansions depending on which game.

More common titles:

  • Sins of a Solar Empire
  • Elemental: Fallen Enchantress
  • Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes
  • Galactic Civilizations

 

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I;m changing the post because I like this idea, and it wasn't working anyways.

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I would like to see a molecular description of the factions, and like what type of genus or order they would be like. I know this would do none thing for game play, but it would be nice to be able read about. 

  1. Like do they use different amino acids. This is sugars instead of protein.

2, Are they 98% water, or are they some other solvent like.

 a. methane.

 b. sulferic acid.

 c. Amonia.

 d. chlorine.

 c. carbon

3. What kind of apnosphere do they breathe.

4. What substance are they made up of,

 a. germaniun

 b. silicon

5. Different amino acids.

 a. peptides.

6. energy cources for food.

I know there are gaps because I haven't looked it up in awhile, so if there are things I forgot you can add them. The main thing I want to hear is Stardock is going to put a list like this somewhere to read about, and how much others would want this to read about. You can comment anything though.

Its a nice idea. But wouldn't it require hiring experts in those fields to consult? So possible extra cost they're not planning(maybe not overwhelmingly big and in fact tiny in comparison, but I guess no company wants to exceed budget plans even by a little if possible).

Maybe experts in those fields who are fans could help by mentioning what they believe those stats are for the existing races of the established GC Universe?

 Are 1-5 and 2-4 the same, btw, or  mixed up maybe? carbon of 2 looks like it should be placed in 4 for instance, though I'm hardly an expert(I believe we're carbon based and theories suggested we could be silicon based with only slight differences on creation conditions).

Also methane is gas, isn't it? Better suited for 3, atmosphere breathing?

6 I couldn't understand, I do know we metabolize alcohol to sugar, is that what you mean?

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I would like to see a molecular description of the factions, and like what type of genus or order they would be like. I know this would do none thing for game play, but it would be nice to be able read about. 

  1. Like do they use different amino acids. This is sugars instead of protein.

2, Are they 98% water, or are they some other solvent like.

 a. methane.

 b. sulferic acid.

 c. Amonia.

 d. chlorine.

 c. carbon

3. What kind of apnosphere do they breathe.

4. What substance are they made up of,

 a. germaniun

 b. silicon

5. Different amino acids.

 a. peptides.

6. energy cources for food.

I know there are gaps because I haven't looked it up in awhile, so if there are things I forgot you can add them. The main thing I want to hear is Stardock is going to put a list like this somewhere to read about, and how much others would want this to read about. You can comment anything though.

 

Dude, your post offends me.

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This is a fantasy game.  Who know what exotic (to us) arrangements 'nature' has concocted in other solar systems? Or in pocket universes? Just make up interesting 'stuff' about the factions' / species' respective  biological and technological distinctivenesses. Oh, did I mention its a fantasy game?  :)

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As long as I can suspend my disbelief I could not care less what molecular wand waving they do.

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Emm, like the Yor eating sandwiches? Be careful with your wishes.

The Drengin eat Torians. But probably only recently.

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Quoting antibor, reply 7

Emm, like the Yor eating sandwiches? Be careful with your wishes.

The Drengin eat Torians. But probably only recently.

They like eating any fleshy organism (but are they cannibalistic? I don't remember seeing anything about them eating their own species.)

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Quoting Lucky, reply 8


Quoting antibor, reply 7
Emm, like the Yor eating sandwiches? Be careful with your wishes.

The Drengin eat Torians. But probably only recently.

They like eating any fleshy organism (but are they cannibalistic? I don't remember seeing anything about them eating their own species.)

 

Who knows what really goes on behind closed doors on Yor controlled worlds.  Actually, be afraid, be very afraid, should you find out... :)

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Quoting Flamescreen, reply 3


quoting post

Also methane is gas, isn't it? Better suited for 3, atmosphere breathing?

Haven't you heard Titan a moon that goes around Saturn contains Methane in all three forms.

Quoting Flamescreen, reply 3



6 I couldn't understand, I do know we metabolize alcohol to sugar, is that what you mean?

This requires extensive research on this it took me hours to find out what the difference between right and left handed amino acids after that I didn't bother finding out what they meant when they say that all life on earth is made of left handed amino acids while right handed amino acids are counter productive to life. On a side not they have found that there is no example of these amino acids forming not by each other except with life. I'm guessing that all important bodily functions are proteins except energy which is either sugar or fat. I don't know anymore on this, and it would take hours maybe days of research to find this out. They do say that the amino acids are identical. Again don't know what this means.

Quoting Wetballs, reply 4


quoting post




 

Dude, your post offends me.

My guess you are talking about what you believe in, or the fact that I'm a christian. I don't know why I'm interested in things I don't believe. Sorry I offended you. I think it would be a nice addition to the game.

I wouldn't mind a post about this from a microbiologists. This wouldn't have be totally scientific. They could give me something from my ideas. This could be added to a patch later when they need to fix something.

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Quoting Wetballs, reply 11

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 10
My guess you are talking about what you believe in, or the fact that I'm a christian. I don't know why I'm interested in things I don't believe. Sorry I offended you. I think it would be a nice addition to the game.

I wouldn't mind a post about this from a microbiologists. This wouldn't have be totally scientific. They could give me something from my ideas. This could be added to a patch later when they need to fix something.

 

I'm not real sure why I was offended. I think it had something to do with all that talk about amino acids. Both of my parents were shot and killed by an amino acid one night as we were exiting a theatre. It happened right in front of me, so you can see how I might have been a little freaked out by your post, which clearly glorifies amino acids by painting them as nothing short of folk heroes.

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Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 10

My guess you are talking about what you believe in, or the fact that I'm a christian. I don't know why I'm interested in things I don't believe. Sorry I offended you. I think it would be a nice addition to the game.

I wouldn't mind a post about this from a microbiologists. This wouldn't have be totally scientific. They could give me something from my ideas. This could be added to a patch later when they need to fix something.
Glad to see another Christian.

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Quoting Wetballs, reply 12


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I'm not real sure why I was offended. I think it had something to do with all that talk about amino acids. Both of my parents were shot and killed by an amino acid one night as we were exiting a theatre. It happened right in front of me, so you can see how I might have been a little freaked out by your post, which clearly glorifies amino acids by painting them as nothing short of folk heroes.

 

I agree.  This gratuitous glorification of right handed amino acids has to stop.  They are antithetical to life forms that evolved on Sol 3.  Glad to see evolutionary biologists finally taking a stand against these amino acid thugs. 

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Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 10


Quoting Flamescreen, reply 3

quoting post

Also methane is gas, isn't it? Better suited for 3, atmosphere breathing?




Haven't you heard Titan a moon that goes around Saturn contains Methane in all three forms.


 

 

Well, actually, no, lol! Sorry, maybe it was on the news and I missed it, cause I dont watch too much tv brodcasts nowadays, or was announced one of those days I worked way to much to bother with the Internet. Exciting news. Probably due to very harsh weather conditions, but still, life has a way of surprising us in unpredictable ways. It's possible.

Quoting Lucky, reply 8


Quoting antibor, reply 7
Emm, like the Yor eating sandwiches? Be careful with your wishes.

The Drengin eat Torians. But probably only recently.

They like eating any fleshy organism (but are they cannibalistic? I don't remember seeing anything about them eating their own species.)

 

I'm pretty sure there is a theory, at least, that the best(or most efficient) energy source that we can come up with for robots, would be flesh(something along these lines at least, don't sue me if I didn't got it dead accurate). So flesh eating Yor is not such an imposibility. Don't be surprised if you found Torians would be a highly sought after commodity, in Yor-Drengin trade treaties.

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You are mostly water. I have a quote ready from Star Trek NG but people may think I'm being mean.

 

Seriously not too many people will care what they are made up of. They are made of pixels and great imagination. Enough for me.

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Quoting RG36, reply 16

You are mostly water. I have a quote ready from Star Trek NG but people may think I'm being mean.

 

Seriously not too many people will care what they are made up of. They are made of pixels and great imagination. Enough for me.

Agree. That was my point about GalCiv being a fantasy game.

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I'm not a microbiologist, but I am a chemist who has taken more than a few biology and biochemistry courses. I can try to shed some small light on your questions, maybe the size of a small LED flashlight.

First off, amino acids are not sugars. As the name suggests they are acidic. In organic compounds an acidic functional group comes at the end of a carbon chain, and consists of an oxygen atom double-bonded to the terminal carbon and an hydroxyl group (OH) single bonded to it. Sugars consist of all hydrogen, or hydroxyl functional groups

 Amino acids aren't proteins either, but they are used to build proteins and enzymes and such.

Life as we know it cannot exist without amino acids. Of course, the key is 'as we know it'. The challenge will be being able to identify life as we don't know it. Someone mentioned a St:TNG quote, and I know what the quote is (ugly bags of mostly water) That episode is a fine example of not recognizing life as we don't know it.

That being said, there is a quality called electronegativity associated with each element. Comparing the electronegativity difference between 2 atoms across a bond gives a vector quantity of length equal to the difference. If you add all the vectors together for a molecule you will either get a net value, or they will all cancel each other out. If there is a net value, that liquid is called a polar substance. If they cancel each other out, it's call non-polar. For life as we know it to exist, it has to be in a polar substance. Liquid methane is non-polar, thus, for life to exist based on liquid methane in place of water in our system, that would be life as we do not know it.

The very acidic and basic solutions of sulfuric acid or ammonia would play interesting tricks on the base molecules. Life in such circumstances would have had to make some interesting adaptations.

In science fiction I've read about may different base molecules for life, from nickel to viri. And of course robotic life forms would tend to 'consume' raw metals, rubber, epoxies and silicons.

Humans don't 'burn' sugars for energy. Humans use what's called the ADP-ATP cycle. To store energy the body converts adenosine di-phosphate (ADP) to Adenosine tri-phosphate (ATP) and we recover stored energy by converting ATP back to ADP. Of carbohydrates, fats and proteins, carbs do provide much of the driving force for this.

 

And, the Matric notwithstanding, but raising humans for energy is HORRIBLY inefficient. This argument is already being made for cows, pointing out that the food energy the cow consumes os more than 100 times the food energy of a grown cow. A robotic species would get much more efficient energy via the same types of renewable resources that we are beginning to explore now, especially solar, and hydrogen fuel cells.

But in terms of the game, the races basis for life is more bound by imagination, than real science. We simply do not know enough yet to imagine all the possibilities.

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I'm not a microbiologist, but I am a chemist who has taken more than a few biology and biochemistry courses. I can try to shed some small light on your questions, maybe the size of a small LED flashlight.

First off, amino acids are not sugars. As the name suggests they are acidic. In organic compounds an acidic functional group comes at the end of a carbon chain, and consists of an oxygen atom double-bonded to the terminal carbon and an hydroxyl group (OH) single bonded to it. Sugars consist of all hydrogen, or hydroxyl functional groups

 Amino acids aren't proteins either, but they are used to build proteins and enzymes and such.

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Two things

1. What is the difference between right and left handed amino acids.

2. Why do they say that left handed amino acids are tasteless, and right handed amino acids are sweet.

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Life as we know it cannot exist without amino acids. Of course, the key is 'as we know it'. The challenge will be being able to identify life as we don't know it. Someone mentioned a St:TNG quote, and I know what the quote is (ugly bags of mostly water) That episode is a fine example of not recognizing life as we don't know it.

I like the episode.


That being said, there is a quality called electronegativity associated with each element. Comparing the electronegativity difference between 2 atoms across a bond gives a vector quantity of length equal to the difference. If you add all the vectors together for a molecule you will either get a net value, or they will all cancel each other out. If there is a net value, that liquid is called a polar substance. If they cancel each other out, it's call non-polar. For life as we know it to exist, it has to be in a polar substance. Liquid methane is non-polar, thus, for life to exist based on liquid methane in place of water in our system, that would be life as we do not know it.

The very acidic and basic solutions of sulfuric acid or ammonia would play interesting tricks on the base molecules. Life in such circumstances would have had to make some interesting adaptations.

In science fiction I've read about may different base molecules for life, from nickel to viri. And of course robotic life forms would tend to 'consume' raw metals, rubber, epoxies and silicons.

Humans don't 'burn' sugars for energy. Humans use what's called the ADP-ATP cycle. To store energy the body converts adenosine di-phosphate (ADP) to Adenosine tri-phosphate (ATP) and we recover stored energy by converting ATP back to ADP. Of carbohydrates, fats and proteins, carbs do provide much of the driving force for this.

Carbs are complex sugars. 


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Most of us focus our concern on the Snathi. For obvious reasons.

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Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 19

Two things
1. What is the difference between right and left handed amino acids.
2. Why do they say that left handed amino acids are tasteless, and right handed amino acids are sweet.

All but one of the amino acids are chiral. At least one carbon in the molecule has four different things attached to it, and this leads to structures that cannot be superimposed with their mirror images. It's hard to visualize for a beginner, but the end result is that chirality tends to give a "twist" to the chemical, and all biological processes that we know of respond to one particular twist. It's the equivalent of trying to fit your right hand into a left glove, it just doesn't work correctly. That is why left handed amino acids are tasteless, all the proteins in your tongue are right handed and the left handed molecules just don't fit into your taste receptors correctly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality

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Quoting Frogboy, reply 20

Most of us focus our concern on the Snathi. For obvious reasons.

 

Becauth dey are thpathe thquirrelth? ;)

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Quoting admiralWillyWilber,

Two things
1. What is the difference between right and left handed amino acids.
2. Why do they say that left handed amino acids are tasteless, and right handed amino acids are sweet.

All but one of the amino acids are chiral. At least one carbon in the molecule has four different things attached to it, and this leads to structures that cannot be superimposed with their mirror images. It's hard to visualize for a beginner, but the end result is that chirality tends to give a "twist" to the chemical, and all biological processes that we know of respond to one particular twist. It's the equivalent of trying to fit your right hand into a left glove, it just doesn't work correctly. That is why left handed amino acids are tasteless, all the proteins in your tongue are right handed and the left handed molecules just don't fit into your taste receptors correctly.

The point to them being called 'left handed' and 'right handed' is that the chiral centers don't just have a twist, they twist light. Right and left refers to the direction the light twists when passing through a chiral center.

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Quoting Wetballs, reply 12

I'm not real sure why I was offended. I think it had something to do with all that talk about amino acids. Both of my parents were shot and killed by an amino acid one night as we were exiting a theatre. It happened right in front of me, so you can see how I might have been a little freaked out by your post, which clearly glorifies amino acids by painting them as nothing short of folk heroes.

I dropped an amino acid once, when I was much younger.  I had a bad trip and thought an outhouse was attached to my forehead and was chasing me from the future.

Yep, I'd be offended too.

 

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 10

I wouldn't mind a post about this from a microbiologists.  

I don't believe in microbiologists.  Sure, we see them on TV, but has anyone ever actually seen one in real life?  Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

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Quoting Starchaser12, reply 23
The point to them being called 'left handed' and 'right handed' is that the chiral centers don't just have a twist, they twist light. Right and left refers to the direction the light twists when passing through a chiral center.

Actually, the two phenomena are completely independent. Roughly half of our left-handed amino acids polarize light to the right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality_(chemistry)#By_configuration:_D-_and_L-