They went more with "coolness" over believability with this one. Yea, yea, I know the target audience is teenagers, but us grumpy old guys like a good trek movie too. I am starting to see some "Killer B" syndrome in JJ Trek too. As in redoing old been there done that stuff over, and over again.

I honestly think that hollywood doesn't have an original idea left in their heads.

Sadly, so true. When I heard they were going to redo Poltergeist. I was like, why? It's an early Spielberg masterpiece. You can repaint the Mona Lisa, but why should you...

Just like the classic line from Jurassic Park. "Just because you could do it, you didn't stop to think that you should do it". Something like that.

I think all the crap series since the ORIGINAL were aimed at 'teenagers' ....but old people who genuinely grew up with that original can actually enjoy these last 2 movies....

...about bloody time, too....;p

You'll enjoy it, Brad...I did...so did Terry...;)

Actually, no. In any 3 body system (Earth, Moon, and Enterprise), where the only force involved is gravity, there are five points known as Lagrange Points, where the smaller body (the Enterprise, in this case), can orbit in equilibrium because the gravitational forces from the other two cancel each other out. The first point, L1, is in between the two larger objects. In the case of the Earth and Moon, the L1 point is about 321,000 km from the Earth: http://esamultimedia.esa.int/docs/edu/HerschelPlanck/EN_13e_L_Points_EarthMoonSystem.pdf The distance from the Earth to the Moon is about 384,000 km.

According to the internet, Sulu says the Enterprise came out of warp 237,000 km from Earth. I have no way of verifying if that is the number he says, but assuming it is, the Enterprise is well inside the L1 point, so it will fall toward the Earth. It still falls too quickly, but it would've taken days for it to reach Earth if it started from a dead stop, which would have been exceptionally boring to watch.

The 2009 movie was an incoherent, nonsensial trollop full of brainless action and story that did not make any sense. Gone are the days where Star Trek was about promoting the idea of diplomacy over brute force, clever plot setups and charming characters. Now it's just explosions, more explosions, shaky-cam and retractable katanas. For the sake of my sanity, I am skipping this one. 

I found it to be better than the 2009 movie, mostly because they could skip all the character introductions and go straight into the action.

That said, I found it to be only marginally better because it really was just more of the same as was in 2009 when it came to action.

So, which is more real, Star Trek or Star Wars?

MUWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAHAAA!

I prefer ST over SW because in TOS they at least tried to make the science behind it believable. In SW there's too much fantasy, magical stuff. Perhaps JJ should take a much closer look at TOS and at least try to adhere to the original theme. One thing that did bother me though. Supposedly the Enterprise is a Constitution class heavy cruiser too massive to build on the surface let alone launch it but that seems to have been lost on JJ. Not to mention the 'been there done that' syndrome that seems to be prevalent in Hollywood these days. Teenagers want all the bang bang shoot 'em ups and character development is inconsequential.  

Not relevant in a set of characters that have been around for 40-odd years....there ain't no-where left for those characters to develop....;p

I am no Trekkie at all (but of course I know the original Enterprise series with Shatner and Mimoy), more a Starwars fan (Ep. IV - VI) but I must say this movie was way better than the last 3 Star Wars movies together...

Shit....that's not hard....didn't have a muppet-on-a-stick sword fight....;p

I liked it. Saw it last night. Great effects, funny parts all through.

Scotty was hilarious!

Having seen the Wrath of Khan movie, I was a tad confused about a few things, but all in all, I enjoyed it.

Ok, finally saw  it and it was much better than 2009 I thought. ST09 was shit (imho) but Into Darkness was kinda good so there. Make of it what you will. 

The SW derpiness is still there but that can't be helped until there's a new director. Why does Abrams have such a hard on for moving platforms and heights? Not to mention random cooky aliens that have no purpose in life except to act as background imagery. 

I saw the Imax 3d.  I did not really notice a marked improvement over the old 2d, but my son was thrilled.

Since no spoilers, I will not state what I did not like.   As a movie it was great.  As a ST movie, I had problems with it.

Don't worry, use the spoiler tags!

For instance, the redoing of the Wrath of Khan warp drive radiation death scene. It's nice to know that in the future, you can still just kick things hard enough and they'll get fixed. There's a fine line between homage and copycat, and I felt that the scene, although well-intentioned, fell a bit on the copycat/blasphemy side.

That and I thought they had already established in canon how the Klingons got their head ridges in a later timeframe through the genetic manipulation/plague deal, and that around the time of Kirk there were no head ridges. The head armor was fine (space dwarves?), but having the actual head ridges bugged me.

@ jackswift85 I agree, but Nero's involvement from the first movie has caused all kinds of chaos in the empire. Did you notice the Moon Praxis...?

Ah!  Thank you. I will have to play with those to get it right before risking a spoiler.

Yes on the first.  I was very disappointed with that.  Also the ethnicity.

On the second, I had not though of that until you mentioned it.  But yes, that can only be considered a blooper.  Enterprise predates Star Trek, and that was detailed in that series.

G_Bison, but Enterprise predates both Nero and Star Trek, so the time line should not be changed for things that occurred 25 years prior to Star Trek, as that was when Nero burst into the past.

Jackswith85 - I got the spoiler down, but the interesting thing (for the mods) is that while it works in the forums, it does not work on the Joeuser site.

Thanks again.

Logged in and posting via JU...they work here.

If they did not I'd be obliged to delete them all....as Brad said specifically "no spoilers in this post" ...;)

Yes, they work in the forums, if you create them on the JU Site.  But it does not blank them if you read the comment on the JU site.

Not a real problem.  I thought I would just point that out in case anyone was to switch over to read the comments.  Forewarned is fore-armed!

Just saw it. Loved it. Yeah I know its not old school Trek but it was fun to watch.

In IMAX 3D!

That was funny. If it doesn't work, KICK IT!

I felt like I was watching a definitive Star Wars movie with Star Trek characters awkwardly "forced" into it. 

I'm referring to the newer Star Wars prequel trilogy specifically.  From the way it was shot, to the special effects, overall tone, etc etc.  Some action scenes felt like they were outright copied from Attack of the Clones.  The random aliens seen on the ship that didn't appear anywhere in Star Trek before (as opposed to my being able to identify *any* species part of the federation at this time). 

Being a long time Star Trek fan (and not so much Star Wars), it felt far more like a generic Sci-Fi action movie with a definitive Star Wars feel.  Not a great combo in my book.

Yes it does...see comment #70.

If they did not I would have deleted them all....;)