Why the hell should I buy Legendary Heroes?!?

Ok.

Well to answer your question, don't buy it... FE is still a solid game and great value at $40 so just play that.  When a game comes out on the Xbox or PS3 it costs twice that (at least where I leave) and you'll get more gaming hours out of FE that a lot of xbox titles.

 

I sympathize with the OP. To purchase a game only to see the next generation completely blow it out of the water can be a hard pill to take. Nevertheless, imo it would still be well worth the puchase.

In my  case, I bought the BETA. There were ZERO promises in place in what to expect as an end result with FE, so it's $40 well spent whether you got what you wanted or didn't. The fact that I didn't get my wishlist developed doesn't mean that's it's a failed game....just that's it's a different game that what I thought it was going to be.

And you know what, I'd GLADLY do it all over again with LH, knowing full well that it's only a predecessor to the third game of this series, which undoubtedly will be even more fleshing out of the current engine. If the improvements that have been happening continue to happen, $120 is a SMALL price to pay for the next 1000hours+ of game time.

Now, the fact that LH is only on steam dramatically and unfortunately changes my purchase decision when it come to LH, but I'll still offer complete support and opinion with as many playthroughs and debates I come across in the hopes that something I mention will be of positive influence to the game and will make it that much better. This is of course in the hopes that LH will one day be released on gog or something as a final standalone product with no further updates to occur. SD will get my money at that point.

 

 

 

The initial/base game requires more time and resources, and thus cost more than an expansion.

If cost is an issue, just wait until it goes on sale. Remember FE was discounted just a month after release...

 

 

 

If you have FE then LH will only cost you $20. You couls also just wait for a sale and get it even cheaper.

Well then don't. It's your choice

 

Yep. Makes sense. You shouldn't buy it.

 

 

So, what did you all do with your weekends?

I know people hate it when a new product comes out right after they paid for the older product but the devs have been good to us.  Point in case, I purchased the collectors box set of Elemental when it first came out (I preordered in fact).  They gave me the upgrade to FE for free and now they've given us the LH game for free as well.  In fact I was happy enough with them that I purchased a second copy of FE through steam to help them fund.

 

So yes it's a bitter pill to take but it's from a company that has done what was right by most of us so I for one will continue to support them.

I could be wrong but I think that Legendary Heroes is FE with LH built into it. Other than removing Influence (thank god) there are a lot of editions.

1. Every weapon I have picked up has a combat skill the wielding unit can use.

2. Champions now appear to you when you get enough Fame, likewise Baron's Letters now gives a bunch of Fame.

3. The number of items has increased, and there are more "ruins" types on the map.

4. The new map size helps a lot of the problems with AI by giving more space for man, fallen and monster to roam.

5. Rather than being given a random selection of traits when you level up, you choose what you get from a perk tree.

6. Right after downloading FE: LH on Steam (I got the discount then used steam key) I was able to use map pack right away.

7. Remember the techs that give you bigger group sizes for units? Now, you upgrade them manually which is good.

 

Legendary Heroes is NOT a "new game" in the sense of "Civ4: Colonization", but a new game in the sense of "Civ4: Warlords built in".

1st world problem?

F E is not beta, its good now

 

wait few years for best versions of everything. do not leave your house.

I don't think they've done anything wrong here. They've evolved the game and they've made an expansion to it, expansions cost money. You get LH cheaper if you already owned FE so that's a fair deal. I don't mind spending money on these games because they are great and I want to support their efforts.

If you feel that spending money on LH is unfair, then don't - stick to FE which is plenty fun.

I bought Supreme Commander, enjoyed it thoroughly. Never complained about having to buy separately Forged Alliance. I'm going to buy Leg. Heroes because it looks more like the FE I would like to play. Removing the random traits is nice, makes it feel a little less like HoMM. Adding skills from equipment and the like I approve of. More stuff to play with! Whether I'll have time to play or not...

At least SD considered this situation case and gave 50% off to FE owners. And say if a lot of the player base will be FE owners, they could have made a decent bit more money off LH.

It managed to get me to stop lurking too.

I gots it for FREE! :_) See you shoulda bought into Elemental when it was all brand new back in what was it 2010. ;_) I gots FE AND LH for FREE! :_)

I do symphathize with you though having to pay out soooooooooo much money for what basically is just a PATCH over the origional. But, thanks for supporting Stardock so that those of us who get all this for FREE can continue getting new better updates in the future when the become bargain binned priced. FE and LH will keep me happy for a longgggggggggg time now.

I went into lurk mode, as well. Not lurking now. I feel that SD has handled the EWOM >remake> FE >add-on expansion> LH development of the series very well. I was an early critic of EWOM feeling I had been ripped off. But SD (unlike many other companies) made good on their promise to address this. They created/crafted FE. And now SD has released a beta version of LH, an "expansion" of FE. Their method to address the EWOM trial shows both their integrity and their respect for gamers who worked with them in 'fixing' the EWOM endeavor. The payment scheme may not have been perfect for 'everyone.' No plan ever fits 100% of the people 100% of the time. But SD came closer than any other company has in recovering from a fumbled game (EWOM). They earned my loyalty. Regarding the beta, it's actually a playable and enjoyable game already. Bugs, yes. The loading screen says its a beta, and its purpose is to allow users to help find the bugs. Cool. Whats not to like?

Some people live to whine and complain. Why be angry because Stardock still invest in making new and better versions of the game we love? Would the OP feel better about it if they dropped making expansion packs, and halted the development of this game? I want them to make as many expansions as possible for this game, and guess what, development cost time and money.

 

And to answer OP's question: You should buy it because you'll love it and because you deserve it.

 

Yeah, I looked at it back then... I really should have grabbed it. FE and LH have both been a blast. >.<

LH seems just like an expansion, for which you would pay somewhat less than the original in other games (eg civ). That's exactly the case here assuming you already own the original game. Otherwise consider it as buying the original game + expansion.

I guess it depends on if you see it as a patch or an expansion. I think it's got too much new stuff in it to be called a patch, so I disagree with a few people in this thread calling it a patch, although I can understand people calling it that. As "expansions" go it is a little lightweight.

It should also be noted that they said it was still beta and there was more to come.

For me this is too heavy to be a patch or a DLC (it's a bit big for DLC), but maybe just a tad bit light still to be an expansion. I always expect to see new factions when expansions are given to strategy games so I think that's my criteria for calling something a full fledged expansion. If they added a faction or two, I'd be gracy (*cough cough* give me undead and wildling faction *cough cough*).

I feel the pain of the OP.

I try to think of it this way when it happens to me:

• The cost of X equaled the value of X to me.  
• I got what I thought it was worth at the time
• Remember this next time I have to hae somethign RIGHT NOW.
• 

Often the answer to 'why should I buy something?' can be reached by answering the question 'do I want it?'.

 

In this case, the extra question  'do I enjoy playing betas?' is also relevant - LH is more beta than FE at the moment.

My question is the same as the OP's - "Why the hell should I buy Legendary Heroes?" - but coming from a different angle. I have no objection to expansion packs, dlc, etc as long as they add enough value to the game to be worth it (though obviously I'd prefer these things for free ) but is LH really worth $20 to me, given that it's half the price of the original game?

So - why should I buy it? I've really not seen that much about what it adds apart from the Champion upgrade paths and the promise of 'better tactical battles'. I'd love better battles, something closer to AOW than what we have with FE, but are they that much better in LH and if so, what makes them that much better?

Please - sell me on this expansion.

@Woffle99 - I was highly skeptical about the tactical battles... didn't like some of the ideas on paper, but they really are way better, really fun now... much more so than FE.  There is actually some tactics to it now, rather than just run up and bash.  You find yourself paying attention to maneuvering now as you try and make use of the special abilities.  So big thumbs up on the tactical battles.  This is probably the best thing about the upgrade actually.

It looks much nicer.  That's not a huge deal to some, but it really does look significantly nicer than FE.  (My only gripe is there is no groundcover but i'm hoping we might get an option to enable that in future).

The Fame mechanic for recruiting champions works pretty well, needs maybe a bit of fine tuning but it definitely works better than the random champions all over the place in FE.  Having said I would mind seeing the odd champion out in the wilderness.  Still, it's good.. better than in FE in in my opinion.

For me the jury is still out on the champion ability trees.  I think they have potential but just need a bit of fine tuning.. I think it can work well once some tweaks are made.

There's quite a few little things that are just nice to have... movement paths displayed before you move, ability to upgrade the size of a unit, some nifty new spell effects like the wall of fire (line spells) that sort of thing.

Plus, the expansion will get all the love now as far as patches and updates go.

I know there is quite a few bugs being reported, but it's pretty solid in my experience...  If your're a rabid TBS fan, particular fantasy based.. it's worth the upgrade.  If you're not so much in that category, maybe wait and see if the upgrade price drops in future... or wait until they tidy up some of the bugs and tweak the champion trees and see what else gets added to it.

 

And I guess the only other thing is.... if you're playing with lots of mods they most likely won't work (yet) in LH... so if you're not so keen on "vanilla" maybe also factor that in.

I bought fallen enchantress in Beta state and i really enjoyed to play it, but i am a little dissapointed now that legendery heroes come out, i will not buy it.

 

reasons:

1. there are still a lots of bugs in FE (some whore present even in WOM)

2. AI is still not good enough

3. As i see in lets play legendary heroes, it is still the same game, the changes not worth the 20$.

4. LH is like a better mod only for me.

 

Nothing wrong with that opinion, I'd check back in May when it is closer to release and see if it is worth it to you then.