Rebellion is causing ingame lore annoying

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eddited cause title was silly :) (er)


i love sins - i dont like the fast paced rts games except on rare occasions

i dont like how some games will just give you info from nowhere  - is it that hard for them just to explain where you are getting the info from? (i mean gave devs in general nothing directed at you guys here - in fact the next part of this post is a sins compliment )

 

Example in sins you would know if your enemy used one of the cannons because depending on your side you would get a message like "a subspace disruption has been detected" meaning the enemy has fired a BFG at you - you know because of a tech tech (words used to explain things in scifi - ie star trek voyager ) ok im getting off point but the game is giving you a credible reason for how you know the enemy has used a super weapons its not just saying it  - because its perfectly believable from a scifi perspective that you could pick up a shockwave/subspace disruption from its activation 


now the Bad 

Rebellion Titans - you get a warning either when somone starts building one or when they launch one i cant remember. but it does not explain why you know. 

Same with the restrictions of only having 4 superweapons - (please only debate 4 superweapons in the many other threads for them)  i know you cant add to the intro but just mention in the game synopsis that due to constant war the resources of this section of the galaxy are drying up - not enough minerals to produce 25 cannons 

hmmm that could even be a great idea for sins2 - because of no resources and because of the vasari enemy several factions take off through space out of fear (lol you could make the vasari enemy like the the furlings out of sg1...) 

 

Ok so its a small thing but i like my games to make sense like in some of the cnc's (i hate ea) when your enemy builds a super weapon like a nuke or whatever the game just magically reveals on the map where it is (showing you where your enemys base is) - it just bothers me allot when a game does something like that - even if a voice had a of just said our spy has reported something new - you wouldn't even have to build the spy - but it would make sense - also i hate EA *cough*westwoodstudiorules*cough* 


Id love ingame or intro explanations for the cannon restrictions and how i find out about titan launches please - Sure just throw in something about energy signals of titan reactors to explain how you announce those ....... or you could just tell me that im madd (with 2 d's)

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

This isn't a question about realism or lore but actual gameplay mechanics.

Realism and lore logic takes a backseat to actual gameplay because who gives a **** when the game sucks to play anyways.

Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top

TEC Loyalists:
"Scouts report that another faction is building a new type of Warship."
"One of our enemies has finished a Titan."

TEC Rebels:
"One of our foes is building something new..."
"A new enemy weapon has launched against us."

Advent Loyalists:
"We sense that a great threat to the Unity draws near!"
"The Unity senses that an enemy has finished a powerful Warship!"

Advent Rebels:
"We sense a growing threat that seeks to destroy us!"
"We sense an enemy Titan!"

Vasari Loyalists:
"Sensors indicate that an enemy is building a Titan-Class Warship!"
"An enemy has just launched a new Titan!"

Vasari Rebel:
"Our spies tell us that an enemy Titan is being constructed!"
"One of our enemies has built a Titan!"

 

The only faction that doesn't explain where they get the intel from are the TEC Rebels, so I have no idea where you're coming from with that.

As for the superweapons being limited, I really don't care about them enough to be bothered by it.

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

The superweapon limit was the primary article in the Geonova Convention, recently signed by all factions.  There were a few other items dealing with the treatment of prisoners of war and refugees, limits on chemical weapons during planetary bombardment and such, but the superweapons got the most press.

While a few naive pundits hailed this as a step back to more regular diplomatic relations, most realize that all factions are simply trying to take what little they can through a long war of attrition, since anything more would be suicidal for all belligerants.  Most agree that the Advent factions lobbied for this treaty the most, since their superweapon sucks.

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Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting stein220, reply 3
The superweapon limit was the primary article in the Geonova Convention, recently signed by all factions.  There were a few other items dealing with the treatment of prisoners of war and refugees, limits on chemical weapons during planetary bombardment and such, but the superweapons got the most press.

While a few naive pundits hailed this as a step back to more regular diplomatic relations, most realize that all factions are simply trying to take what little they can through a long war of attrition, since anything more would be suicidal for all belligerants.  Most agree that the Advent factions lobbied for this treaty the most, since their superweapon sucks.

 

^Win. I actually lol'ed. Poor Advent...

Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top

Yea I am getting really tired of the poor me tirades of the Advent maebe they will shutup now, we have more important things to discuss.

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top

@Nate: The Advent have not been bad since Corvettes came into the game, now they can play at an even field on the early game. Now all that needs to be done is buff the slack units (Such as the Kol and Radiance.). Except for the red button, fuck that ability.

 

Quoting stein220, reply 3
The superweapon limit was the primary article in the Geonova Convention, recently signed by all factions.  There were a few other items dealing with the treatment of prisoners of war and refugees, limits on chemical weapons during planetary bombardment and such, but the superweapons got the most press.

While a few naive pundits hailed this as a step back to more regular diplomatic relations, most realize that all factions are simply trying to take what little they can through a long war of attrition, since anything more would be suicidal for all belligerants.  Most agree that the Advent factions lobbied for this treaty the most, since their superweapon sucks.

 

Hehehe.

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

LOL RED BUTTON! Whatever you do DO NOT TOUCH THE red button!!!!

Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting TerribleNate, reply 7
LOL RED BUTTON! Whatever you do DO NOT TOUCH THE red button!!!!

Unless you want to kill 1000s of ships in a second then go ahead press the red button!

Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top

"Rebellion Titans - you get a warning either when somone starts building one or when they launch one i cant remember. but it does not explain why you know."


Dude, have you seen the shockwave a titan gives of when it comes out of phase space? I'd imagine those would be much easier to detect that a novalith firing.

Also it could be a rumour, word gets out that a faction has built something huge, like the titan or the superweapon.

Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Rovert10, reply 8
Quoting TerribleNate, reply 7LOL RED BUTTON! Whatever you do DO NOT TOUCH THE red button!!!!

Unless you want to kill 1000s of ships in a second then go ahead press the red button!
But do try to make sure they aren't your ships! :(O

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Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top

I have. Several questions. To do with the super weapons. I can understand being able to tell that super weapons or titans are being built. There are often neutral planets, scouts of your own, agents and the like, so you know the important stuff, even the TEC rebellion would know through their black market network or even the pirates.

 

Super weapons. Not only are they a pain in the ass. But there is no limit on them.. I know I am late to the party so it may have been changed in the interim. But the only limit is 1 for every 4 planets you own. If you are the TEC loyalists and have novalith deregulation, then it becomes 1 novalith for every 2 planets you own.

 

What I want to know though. Is how in the hell a novalith shell makes a ripple in phase space. The shell travels at what is essentially sub-light speeds, it never enters phase space at all. or has anything to do with phase space. If anything the cannon is a giant railgun, it does not use nor influence phase space at all.

A Kostura cannon yea, I can see that rippling phase space, right before it tears a hole in it (temporary phase node portion of its effects)

 

Also the advent weapon, Is not as terrible as people think. Oh it shoots culture boo hoo. Culture lowers allegiance, no allegiance means you lose you colony. Not to mention both advent factions gain the ability to see any planets under the effects of their culture and their ships gain damage boosts (quite big ones) when in friendly culture. So if their cannon has your world spewing their culture, their ships will have an advantage, to both damage output and shield regen and I believe repair rate too. Anyway, guess who can scout your planets without sending a ship to them while influencing their allegiance. Even a 1% drop in your allegiance is enough to have an adverse effect on your planets income, let alone the changes it makes. Oh and the deliverance engine can also target friendly planets, including the one it is built in. So if your system is being over powered by enemy culture (shame on any advent player who lets that happen to their core worlds) or even colonies built within enemy culture influence which automatically start at 25%. now unless you got a temple of communion out quick smart, and sometimes even then, you would lose the colony. But hit it with a deliverance signal, and suddenly you can make a forward base deep inside enemy culture, and even over power it. People think it sucks because it does no direct damage. People just don't know how to use it right. Advent get a pretty bad rep cause their guns aren't as big. But the people that hate on them, just don't understand their true danger. They can take over entire star systems without firing a single shot. aside from killing ships etc. But no planetary bombardment required. The loyalists can just take planets with their titan. it just floats into a gravity well, bypasses defenders and takes the planet with mass mind control. Can be done anywhere except capital worlds or that special one in occupation games.

Reply #12 from Sins Forums Top

I would prefer if there was no voice telling me about an enemy firing big gun. It becomes repetitive after a few hours and has no additional value anymore... the accompanying text is slightly informative though, it tells you from which world it comes... but even that does not help me much, it's usually too far to reach with my fleet and I can guess myself where it comes from, by looking at the trajecory of the shell as it moves through space. So basically I think it's overdone.

The gun limit is fine imo. I don't need a reason for it either, that's just one of the game rules. You don't have to explain everything, a game can leave some things to your own imagination.

As far as a reason is concerned... perhaps the phase space disruption is so large that it's not possible to build such guns everywhere. It would have an impact on the phase lanes, making them less stable and reducing ship speed. To avoid that the empires agreed to limit the number of guns they build.

Reply #13 from Sins Forums Top

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Also the limit on them building, as I said, is based on how many planets you own. so you're only limit to super weapons is the size of the map. as for that though. Still doesn't tell me how the novalith or deliverance signals have any effect on phase space. Neither of them use phase space or affect it in any way whatsoever. Only the kostura cannon actually has an effect upon it.