Trinity won't start up: my soapbox moment

Stardock:

I've had a really high opinion of your company for a long time. After it finally got patched up, Demigod was actually one of the more exciting DOTA-themed RTSs I have ever played (though I wish you'd produce more content for it). Elemental, I never played. Sins of a Solar Empire is similarly fantastic. 

That's why I recommended to my brother that he purchase Sins off of Steam. The only problem is that, he, like a lot of Steam customers, cannot even do so much as launch the game. It boots up, goes black, and immediately crashes. There's been no patch, no support and he hasn't gotten a single response from customer service (nor, does it seem, has anyone else with this or a similar problem).

I just wanted to say this: Stardock is a small company and most of its customers are first-timers that hear about a game through word-of-mouth. But most PC gamers are wary of small developers because, more often than not, they release shitty games that are bugged to the max. And so, they pirate the game and they discover that Stardock is actually good at making games, but there's still no reason to buy it now that you have it. So the incentive has become: release the game at the height of its hype or sales potential, regardless of the state of the game and hope you can get enough people to purchase it to fund the rest of its development. I agree it's a terrible situation.

You know what's worse than that? Letting it get around that your company consistently produces buggy games. Sins is really your only successful launch. Demigod and Elemental were unmitigated disasters. So, universally in the gaming community, Stardock has become associated with mega-hyped, should-be-quality-games that are destroyed by a poor development cycle. And your core group of supporters (like myself) that buy your games anyways because they know that you can produce quality entertainment begin to fall away. And now no amount of hyped-releases can get you the money you need to make video games.

That's a long-winded way of saying: this is why people pirate video games. You wanted to take advantage of Steam's holiday sales, so you rushed Sins to Valve without doing the proper quality control. Now tons of your customers can't even get the game to work properly. I know my brother won't be paying another $20 for one of your games. And after purchasing Galactic Civ, Demigod and Sins, I don't know if I will either. 

Let this be a lesson to you. Every gamer on this Earth would rather pay $20 for a working game than $13.39 for a broken one that might be fixed later. If you need any more instruction on how to release a game properly, ask the folks over at Runic Games.

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Have you contacted support about your issue yet? We are aware of the issue and have been working on it. So far it appears to be related to an odd hardware issue that we're working with other companies on.

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wauw, nice wall of text... to much rage anyway...your a kid i assume?

sins is a good game. so was demigod. maybe not for your "playstyle" but i certainly liked it. and even if you pirate sins, you can't play the game to full potential since you can't use mods since you can't get updates. so yeah, pirating sins isn't even worth it... 

 

and tbh, i've bought enough games that need fixes, hell, every game needs fixes. if you can't realise that you really should consider how good a gamer you are. give me 5 recent game names that never had updates and nobody ever complained about the gameplay...so yeah, suck on that

 

and sins was released properly. steam just fcked it up  O:)

 

-just my thoughts

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Quoting ezeltje299, reply 2
wauw, nice wall of text... to much rage anyway...your a kid i assume?

sins is a good game. so was demigod. maybe not for your "playstyle" but i certainly liked it. and even if you pirate sins, you can't play the game to full potential since you can't use mods since you can't get updates. so yeah, pirating sins isn't even worth it... 

 

and tbh, i've bought enough games that need fixes, hell, every game needs fixes. if you can't realise that you really should consider how good a gamer you are. give me 5 recent game names that never had updates and nobody ever complained about the gameplay...so yeah, suck on that

 

and sins was released properly. steam just fcked it up 

 

-just my thoughts

 

Obviously, you didn't actually *read* the wall of text you complained about, otherwise you'd know that I praised both Sins and Demigod because I think they're fantastic games. And it's a little hard to condescendingly call me a "kid" when, in one sentence, you use the wrong form of "too" and "you're." Try again.

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Quoting Yarlen, reply 1
Have you contacted support about your issue yet? We are aware of the issue and have been working on it. So far it appears to be related to an odd hardware issue that we're working with other companies on.

Yes and, as I said, my brother has not received a response.

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Quoting smhjr1, reply 4
Yes and, as I said, my brother has not received a response.

What is your ticket #?

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I just got the game myself. I bought the original off steam. I got it for 20$ Sins of a Solar Empire wont work and neither the expansions. The screen goes black and crashes just like every one else. I have updated all my drivers and I have all the system requirement but I still can't play it. I still waiting on tech support to get back to me too. Do we have a time frame on when it will be fixed. I guess I wasted 20$ bucks. That teaches me for not buying the game from the store.

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Quoting rogueronin117, reply 7
I just got the game myself. I bought the original off steam. I got it for 20$ Sins of a Solar Empire wont work and neither the expansions. The screen goes black and crashes just like every one else. I have updated all my drivers and I have all the system requirement but I still can't play it. I still waiting on tech support to get back to me too. Do we have a time frame on when it will be fixed. I guess I wasted 20$ bucks. That teaches me for not buying the game from the store.

What is your ticket #?

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dittos for another game ... rift ... 40 dollars ... and 15 per month membership or locked out ... that is my experience ... never went beyond my first 3 startup characters... the game stole items crucial to play.. and kept crashing... i just did want to rent a junkyard game... sorry rift ... this is  my opinion ... still want my 40 dollars back...

 

akrmer25

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i noticed too... sacred 2 would steal expensive weapons ... and sacred gold would steal level 1 and 2 horses... dont trust the belevue horses ... get the gray for free... then up at the trader for a faster stronger horse ... for a decent price ... but a horse that will return when called...

 

noticed that galciv2 is dynamic in the building and developement of ships... the ax falls in every game so be perpared to get stabbed in the back or sabotaged...  but that is just good gaming... 

galciv2 also has mods i dont know how to load... but are neat...

 

i really cant wait to learn how to play this game... trinity seems to have unique graphs... but i think the outlay of the gal map is better in galciv2 .... but i am a newbie and that may explain my ignorance of trinity...

 

the developement looks challenging... at trinity... this i like... but... it appears i will forever be a newbie

 

akrmer25

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Hi guys,

I just bought Trinity from GamersGate but obviously it has to be activated on Steam. However, I cannot get Rebellion to work although Sins and Entrenchment do work. Below are my details, etc of my dealings with Steam Support but who are now basically saying "we've tried to help and you've tried our suggestions but if you still can't get Rebellion working, get onto Stardock."

 

Sins of Trinity

 
Ticket number 3001-WPFN-4918
Category Steam Client > Steam Client Crashes
Email [email protected]
Product Sins of a Solar Empire: Trinity
Steam Account Login Name wade4816
Operating System Windows 7/Vista
 
 

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1 Message by you on Mon, 18th Mar 2013 12:31 pm
I bought this game today (I won't mention the amount of times I had to exit steam and delete the appsdata or the appauling way Starrdock force you to join them, needing a host of passwords amd thats on top of the password you need to get the game to run - I'd rather die than buy another stardock game). Anyway, I know rebellian is the latest of the games on here so I tried to play that 1st, but everytime I did, another version of Steam would run silently showing the trailer of the game!! I tried it 4 times and it did it eveverytime. Please help as in all my many years of computer gaming and I've been playing them since pong, this is by far the worst experience I'v ever come accross by far. Thankyou, Wade
 
 
2 Message by Support Tech Burton J. on Tue, 19th Mar 2013 3:21 pm
Hello,
Thank you for contacting Steam Support.
A new Steam client update has been released which includes fixes for many common issues: http://store.steampowered.com/news/10165/
IMPORTANT: if you use anti-virus products, you may experience an issue where Steam continually tries to download and apply this update. If so, please temporarily disable your virus scanner and restart Steam to complete the update. We are working to find a better solution for this incompatibility in future updates.

To ensure you have the latest Steam client, Please exit Steam and go to the folder called C:\Program Files\Steam\ (this is the default location for a Steam installation - if you set a different installation directory, you will need to browse to it).
Delete the files listed below:
- steam.dll - ClientRegistry.blob
Restart your computer.
Then, launch Steam.exe from within the Steam installation folder, and not from a pre-existing shortcut.
With Steam running, re-test the original issue.
Note: This process will not affect your currently installed games.

If the issue persists, make sure your computer and network are optimized for Steam:
Programs Which May Interfere with Steam https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9828-SFLZ-9289
Troubleshooting Network Connectivity http://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1456-EUDN-2493
Please follow all suggestions in these articles, even if your computer appears to be functioning correctly.

Note: This message was sent in response to your ticket based on categorization. If this message does not apply to you, please update your ticket with more information.
 
 
3 Message by you on Wed, 20th Mar 2013 5:37 pm
I'm afraid I did what you suggested but with still no luck
 
 
4 Message by you on Thu, 21st Mar 2013 3:27 pm
I should add I'm running windows 7 on an intel I core 7, 8 gig RAM and an nvdia gt560tx
 
 
5 Message by Support Tech Burton J. on Thu, 21st Mar 2013 8:59 pm
Hello Wade,
If you are currently running Vista or Windows 7, please complete the instructions in the following link:
Title: Windows 7 and Vista Troubleshooting Link: http://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5688-IFHZ-2170
If you are running in Windows XP, take the following steps: 1) Exit Steam. 2) Go to the "Start" menu, select "Run", type "regedit" and click "OK". 3) Navigate to the following registry key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\VALVE 4) Right click and select "Permissions" 5) Check the "Allow" boxes for "Admin" and "System" for both "Full control" and "Read".
The remaining steps apply to *all* versions of Windows.
Please also verify the GCF for this game as outlined here:
Title: Verifying Game Cache Files (GCF) Link: http://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2037-QEUH-3335
Note: Files may fail to verify. This is normal and can be ignored.
Then test the issue.
If you still have difficulty, you may also need to manually run secondary installers required by this game.
Exit Steam entirely.
Browse to your Sins of a Solar Empire: Trinity installation folder (Usually C:\Program files\Steam\Steamapps\common\sins of a solar empire trinity\)
Run the following installers:
...\Steamapps\common\sins of a solar empire trinity\redist\vcredist_2005sp1_x86.exe ...\Steamapps\common\sins of a solar empire trinity\redist\DXSETUP.exe
Reboot your computer and test the issue again.
If the issues persist, please complete these guides:
Title: This game is currently unavailable Link: http://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4595-WEXN-6831
Title: Games do not run after 'Preparing to Launch' Link: http://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6218-USFX-5568
Further support for this title is handled by a third party support department - please follow the instructions below to contact the support provider to troubleshoot this issue:
Title: Sins of a Solar Empire: Trinity Link: http://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5167-QRYN-3195
 
 
6 Message by you on Sun, 24th Mar 2013 4:14 am
I've tried what you said and I can play Sins Of A Solar Empire and Entrenchment. But still when I click on Rebellion, it opens the Steam web page and shows the video for the game without any sound. It's just Rebellion. Everything else works fine!
 
 
7 Message by Support Tech Burton J. on Sun, 24th Mar 2013 1:47 pm
Hello Wade,
Exit Steam entirely.
Browse to your Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion installation folder (Usually C:\Program files\Steam\Steamapps\common\sins of a solar empire rebellion\)
Run the following installers:
...\Steamapps\common\sins of a solar empire rebellion\redist\vcredist_2005sp1_x86.exe ...\Steamapps\common\sins of a solar empire rebellion\redist\DXSETUP.exe
Reboot your computer and test the issue again.
If the issues persist, please complete these guides:
Title: This game is currently unavailable Link: http://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4595-WEXN-6831
Title: Games do not run after 'Preparing to Launch' Link: http://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6218-USFX-5568

**IMPORTANT** Further support for this title is handled by a third party support department - please follow the instructions below to contact the support provider to troubleshoot this issue:
https://www.stardock.com/support/
 

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Please email [email protected] (with screenshots if possible and a timeline of actions) so we can see if there is anything we can do.