Two lessons about customer care learned from OS/2

 

Over the last decade we’ve presented a bit of a mixed message regarding customer care. 

On the one hand, we have broad customer-friendly policies such as very liberal refunds, long-term software support and post-purchase support.

We learned the above lesson from OS/2: Treat your customers as gods because customer loyalty really matters.  I’ve written the details of why we do this here. But the short version is that customer loyalty can make the difference between business survival and death.

…But on the other hand…

I am often very vocal about telling individual customers to go away. And this lesson was learned from OS/2 as well.

You can never appease a zealot. Do not try. Once you discover someone is a zealot, there is no way to win them over and the energy and time you spend trying to win them over is time you could be spending helping more reasonable people. Our policy since we left the OS/2 market is to identify zealots and try to gently (or not so gently) guide them out the door once they have decided that we haven’t lived up to some impossible bar of integrity they have imagined for us.

The OS/2 market had a lot of zealots and when the market started to disintegrate in the late nineties, it became pretty clear that a lot of those zealots expected us to go down with the ship. Because Stardock’s culture formed around the concept of treating people better (i.e. we’ll treat people “right”) , we continued to invest scarce resources in OS/2 software all the way into 1999 largely just to appease these people. We never did. We were “traitors” for making Windows software too.

It took us a long time to understand that these people weren’t buying our products or services because they thought we made good stuff but because we were part of their own “cause” they were fighting in their head and once we had failed in their mind, only a damaging, but purely symbolic, sacrifice on our part would appease them.

And so we try to do right by doing good. That is, make good stuff, price it reasonably and keep our customers happy. And we’ve done pretty well at that over the years.  At the same time, there will always be individuals who will never be appeased and the best path is to cut to the chase and give them their options: Accept things as they are or vote with your wallet and go elsewhere.  It’s a delicate balance but one that I think has, in the bigger scheme of things, has served us well.

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Reply #1 Top

Oh good, I could have sworn this topic was going to end with "...so this is why we are banning Lord Xia"

 

But, yea, you can't please everyone and just like Grandma use to say "Some people you can never make happy, even with your wallet in their hand and your mouth on their crotch."    

Reply #3 Top

Interesting concept, that you want to build loyalty but don't want "zealots".

Edit: Shit, I just realized I'm a zealot.

Reply #4 Top

LOL.  Hence the mixed message in the first paragraph. It's a delicate balance.  Loyalty != zealotry.

Reply #5 Top

Quoting Lord, reply 1
Oh good, I could have sworn this topic was going to end with "...so this is why we are banning Lord Xia"

They did, you're just in denial. }:)

Reply #6 Top


DrJBHL - Great link.

Reply #7 Top

I don't know what OS/2 is but damn you for screwing it!

Reply #8 Top

Turns out, the customer isn't always right. Sometimes, the customer doesn't have a clue. o_O

Reply #9 Top

Quoting seanw3, reply 7
I don't know what OS/2 is but damn you for screwing it!

 

OS/2 was an operating system full of fail back in the day  :X   ,Not sure what the post is saying apart from learn from your mistakes and move on I guess ?  

Reply #10 Top

Poop

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Quoting Wizard1956, reply 8
Turns out, the customer isn't always right. Sometimes, the customer doesn't have a clue.

The customer is always right, they will tell you so ...  :-"

I'm still mad at Commodore for destroying my beloved Amiga.

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Quoting SeanSeany, reply 9

Quoting seanw3, reply 7I don't know what OS/2 is but damn you for screwing it!

 

OS/2 was an operating system full of fail back in the day    ,Not sure what the post is saying apart from learn from your mistakes and move on I guess ?  

Heh.

ONE. OS/2 was not a bad OS. Better than Windows. :)  

 

TWO. The lesson is that you can't control WHY people buy your stuff. IF they bought it because they were fighting for a cause (like support OS/2 ISVs because they hated Microsoft) you don't "owe" them anything beyond the produce/service you promised. 

Reply #13 Top

Quoting tazgecko, reply 11
I'm still mad at Commodore for destroying my beloved Amiga.

Oh the Amiga.  It was so far ahead of PCs and their operating systems, and their games were far superior, it took ages for Nintendo and then PCs to catch up.  But the Amiga cards weren't played right and it died a slow death and eventually got overtaken.

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Quoting Lord, reply 1
Oh good, I could have sworn this topic was going to end with "...so this is why we are banning Lord Xia"

That can be arranged.....there's even an 'edit button' ....;)

Reply #15 Top

I'm a loyal zealot so please don't ban me.

Reply #16 Top

Quoting Frogboy, reply 12

Quoting SeanSeany, reply 9
Quoting seanw3, reply 7I don't know what OS/2 is but damn you for screwing it!

 

OS/2 was an operating system full of fail back in the day    ,Not sure what the post is saying apart from learn from your mistakes and move on I guess ?  

Heh.

ONE. OS/2 was not a bad OS. Better than Windows.  

 

TWO. The lesson is that you can't control WHY people buy your stuff. IF they bought it because they were fighting for a cause (like support OS/2 ISVs because they hated Microsoft) you don't "owe" them anything beyond the produce/service you promised. 
 

 

1~ Cool story bro , and look where we are now ? Dunno about you but I'm on "Windows 7" , dual booting with dev prev 8 but I digress .

2~  Even if you despise your customer base it is always bad practice to tell them so. Not all consumers are sheeple and some ( eventually most )will walk away leaving the company where ? 

Reply #17 Top

Zealots tend to be close minded and irrational. They only hear what they want to hear and only believe that which suits their position. They are dangerous.

PS I LOVED OS2. I worked on it endlessly. I cried when it died.

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Quoting SeanSeany, reply 16
1~ Cool story bro , and look where we are now ? Dunno about you but I'm on "Windows 7" , dual booting with dev prev 8 but I digress .

Yes, just as with Beta vs. VHS ....the lesser one survived.

[of course, if you are unaware of OS/2 then I likely would need to explain what 'Beta' and 'VHS' is].  Think 'electro-magnetic' rather than 'laser-optical' Video recording ....;)

Reply #19 Top

I think zealot requires faith. I lost all faith a long time go so I guess I can't be one. I have to say, it was almost restored when I happened upon Galciv2 a few years ago... until I got raped by the "Thalan Empire's Steamroll AI 2.0."   :'(

Reply #20 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 18

Quoting SeanSeany, reply 161~ Cool story bro , and look where we are now ? Dunno about you but I'm on "Windows 7" , dual booting with dev prev 8 but I digress .

Yes, just as with Beta vs. VHS ....the lesser one survived.

[of course, if you are unaware of OS/2 then I likely would need to explain what 'Beta' and 'VHS' is].  Think 'electro-magnetic' rather than 'laser-optical' Video recording ....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony  Puts the "Windows" in Blinds eh ? I'm just waiting for the Opera and *nix delegation to come along and cry me a river . We may as well get some "Longhorn" fans in as well and have a party lol. 

Sorry am I interrupting a lil reminisce down memory lane ? If I am I will kindly grab my hat , make my excuses and slip away.I mean on offence to anyone that did work on the project and put blood , sweat and tears into it, but as an outsider looking in the thread seems that way. Hey get some beers and we can all compare ex wives and have a group hug . :'(

But alas tis past my bed time on a school night in London, so I wish you all goodnight and safe times....be cool.

 

Till the next time.

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Quoting SeanSeany, reply 20
But alas tis past my bed time on a school night

Oh, why am I not surprised?....;p

With history comes eddykayshun....it's why Frogboy refers to the times with OS/2 and the awareness of the vagaries of 'customer care' from more than a decade ago.

Nothing has changed, really.

There really are only 4 kinds of people on SD's sites/forums.....

1. The 'avid' fan for whom Stardock can [almost] do no harm.

2. The 'avid' hater for whom Stardock can do NO right.  Ever.

3. The [mostly] silent majority who are happy to just 'be there/here'

and

4. The spammer who has a quite short life expectancy.

 

There's no difference whether it's Wincustomize.com or any of Stardock's Gaming sites .... the make-up is the same....;)

 

Reply #22 Top

5. Jafo, a bountyhunter, protecting the threads from unwanted capitalist pig-spammers. 

Reply #23 Top

there's got a be a 5th and maybe 6th type of person there. I'm not an avid fan or an avid hater, I'm not the silent type and I hate spam.

56th type, maybe some type of enigma, that doesn't fit in that little square hole?

 

Reply #24 Top

I was an OS/2 zealot. No doubt about it.

Reply #25 Top

You weren't the only one, and it was superior to Windows.