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How do they get away with treason?

How do they get away with treason?

My thoughts, what's yours?

If one/a group is trying to take over the world, then what is the best way to do it?  People throughout time tried by taking their countries & attempt to take out all the rest - has never succeeded (Kahns, Ceasars, Alexander, Napolean, etc.(except maybe once in the bible, can't remember the guys name but all nations under one law & one language allowing for total control - this God didn't want and so dispersed humans so that they would once again be seperate by language & nation- don't know all facts here as I havn't read that part in it's entirety yet).  So what would work? Well my beliefs are that one way is to trick a nation into believing that what you offer behoves them to such a great extent as to offer you the 'reigns'/control of said nation.  This is clearly a difficult task as many nations wouldn't care to change the way they are currently unless something happens that causes them to think otherwise.  Example: The United Nations - formed to prevent another World War, only myself or the group trying to take over could support the Nazis long enough & make them Evil enough, so that countries would see the 'need' to join togather under a 'one' governing power/defense/leadership which in time goes from it provides proctection to it provides leadership/laws/currency (Thomas Jefferson- "A national bank is more dangerous than any standing army) and so on.  Once Germany had accomplished this task then they were no longer needed & the 'group taking the world' would simply switch & go against them with the members that were leading the new 'Safe' all governing power.  Ofcourse this is easier to do when your group has powerful positions in a large number of countries (Free masons/skull & dagger (the Bush presidents were both part of this one)/etc.). 

 

Example: the United States, was supposed to be seperate governing states united by a common defense (for common defense is used alot), but once those 'reigns' are given then so is the State's freedom to govern themselves (May take time but the 'seed' has been planted), the U.S. dollar was an important currency, not one the U.S. would give up willingly, hence the crippling of our economy by any means necessary.   Currently (I believe the European nations have already been 'conquered' into one nation, the U.S. is almost there & being used to conquor other nations that would resist, once the great war comes then the United Nations will come in & say that they offer the peace we all want).   Think of all the riots in all the different countries right now, the U.S. Leadership doesn't care about the people in those places but more about setting up a government that will do as the 'group' wishes.  Iraq was a fairly powerful country, had strong currency, & a leader that was evil enough to give the U.S. a valid reason for setting up a puppet gov there, one more in line with the One World Theology while crippling the economy at the same time (was like 3=1 U.S. Dollar, now something like 1= 1 US penny (Something close to this now). 

 

I tried to keep religion out of this as much as possible but hard to do when speaking what 'I' think.  With the attack on every part of U.S. lives being the, ethics, morals, honor, tv, music, 'the familiy', our rights/laws, currency, land ownership, beliefs you name it, I would almost challenge you to find something not under attack.  I believe this is all leading to the one world government wich will have to with the mark of the beast (One currency).  I myself have already been labled an enemy of the country because I support the "Tea Party = US citizens", anyone who speaks up or witnessed something or knows too much is taken down by a veriety of diff. means, weather it be smashing there reputation, plane crash, car crash, suicide, you name it.

 

Anyway, so many of our FE post were being taken up by politics I thought I would give us this post to rant on.  For a non-religious solution = if the peasants in every country killed all Governing officials, those in secret orders, and those with more than 1 billion dollars then we as a planet might last a bit longer - for a religious solution = pray your *sses off cause this if fortold in the bible - my thoughts

 

Edit: Sorry if hard to read, sorta brainstormed

 

 

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting tetleytea, reply 25

This topic and thread is filled with the mad rantings of racial and socio-economic class prejudice


 

I disagree.   I mean, when we refer to trailer trash, it's not a bash on socio-economic status at all.   It's the trailers we're bashing.  I mean if we didn't have trailers, we wouldn't have trailer trash.   And besides, when there are tornadoes, trailers kill people.

Up until recently I got trailer trash all wrong. Turns out they have lively, adventurous and amusing lives and possess a loose but heart-felt understanding of the principles of karma. They're just trying to be better people.

Reply #27 Top

In the state of Washington, there is a wide variety of trailers and trash to fill it. For the most part there is no better place to enjoy meth. Why spend money on an abandoned house when you are just going to blow it up when the cops get there anyways? Where are you talking about leeboy26?

Reply #28 Top

Life happens man, sometimes things do happen unexpectedly.

My point is that the phrase "unexpected child" is self-contradictory. Is a fire unexpected when you strike a flint over tinder? You can't choose to do something then be surprised by the natural, well-known, and expected result. I'm a big believer in self-responsibility, and that sort of talk really gets on my nerves.

Even with protection, you're taking a calculated risk that your personal gratification is worth that small chance of failure.

Bringing a child into the world that you cannot afford to raise isn't fair to the child and it isn't fair to the people who have to foot the bill, especially when it is completely avoidable.

 

And what are you saying about a "consensual relationship"?

As opposed to the sorts of "relationships" that land people in prison.

Reply #29 Top

Quoting Lord, reply 24
We bitch about how are children ion school don't know math and science, well I say fuck math and science, maybe we need to teach them logic and reason.

We'd be better served if there were an entry exam for  Life.

Cull the pathologically dense and if nothing else this thread would be shorter....;)

Reply #30 Top

Quoting seanw3, reply 27
In the state of Washington, there is a wide variety of trailers and trash to fill it. For the most part there is no better place to enjoy meth. Why spend money on an abandoned house when you are just going to blow it up when the cops get there anyways? Where are you talking about leeboy26?

My name is Earl.

Reply #31 Top

What is all this. Are there no work houses left? What happened to the mines and factories? Are there no prisons for these people? Are my taxs going to support only the rich? Everyone should think before they speak.

Grandraspberries to all and to all a goodnight!

Reply #32 Top

In my mind accidental pregnancy is when you intend to enjoy sex but do not intend to have a baby. Then you find out you are pregnant and decide that abortion is not an option. Sure, the argument can be made that every sex act comes with the responsibility of what that act was originally intended for, but many people delude themselves into thinking that the two things are separate events and are therefore surprised when they become pregnant. Then there is a grace period of a few months where you can abort, but for some reason personal morality or human instinct prevents most people from doing the logical thing. 

There is certainly a logical argument for personal responsibility, but humans are decidedly illogical. Humans are dumb parasitic animals, but god help me, I love every one of them. The best course of action is to make contingency plans for the most common human errors. 

Reply #33 Top

In my mind... many people delude themselves... humans are decidedly illogical

Just as with law, ignorance--willful or otherwise--is no excuse.

If you cannot or will not deal with the potential result of an action (by whatever means) without pushing responsibility onto uninvolved parties, the solution is simple: don't do it. Finish school, get a better job, etc., then have at it to your heart's content.

Plans may not always pan out (disasters, deaths, lost jobs, etc.), but failure to plan at all is nobody's fault but one's own.

Reply #34 Top

Quoting seanw3, reply 32
In my mind accidental pregnancy is when you intend to enjoy sex but do not intend to have a baby. Then you find out you are pregnant and decide that abortion is not an option. Sure, the argument can be made that every sex act comes with the responsibility of what that act was originally intended for, but many people delude themselves into thinking that the two things are separate events and are therefore surprised when they become pregnant. Then there is a grace period of a few months where you can abort, but for some reason personal morality or human instinct prevents most people from doing the logical thing. 

There is certainly a logical argument for personal responsibility, but humans are decidedly illogical. Humans are dumb parasitic animals, but god help me, I love every one of them. The best course of action is to make contingency plans for the most common human errors. 

What you intend is irrelevant.  There is likely no person in the western world old enough to have sex that doesn't realize that a baby is the potential result.  If you are having sex, you should be prepared to have a child.  It's called personal responsibility. 

If we stopped letting people skate on responsibility for their own actions so often our society wouldn't be quite the shitstorm that it currently is.  It's a problem that goes way beyond sex, but sex is certainly an area where it is quite obvious. 

 

Reply #35 Top

Quoting Lord, reply 24
Holy fuck, this thread sounds like the ramblings of a syphilitic mind. We bitch about how are children ion school don't know math and science, well I say fuck math and science, maybe we need to teach them logic and reason.  This topic and thread is filled with the mad rantings of racial and socio-economic class prejudice, and we pretend that it's not.  People, if you want this kind of bullshit in your world, then keep tolerating it, I will call it bullshit.  And it's bullshit.

Logic and reason are the underpinnings of math and science.  The problems with one set are related to the problems with the other set.  And unfortunately we've become a society afraid to address problems because it's either "too hard" or it might upset someone.

Reply #36 Top

So do we apply the same hardlined philosophy to every part of life? If that were so I would be fine with it, but this country favors the 1% over all others, even the law. Law only applies to the poor. The rich get off pretty damn easy, even for murder. People make mistakes, like pregnancy, and there should be a way for the rest of society to allow those people a chance to succeed. Saying that it is their own damn fault and dropping them into inescapable poverty is not a satisfactory solution. There needs to be a middleground. 

Reply #37 Top

Sigh.. Personal responsibility for ones own actions is one thing. But everyone should remember, even though we should be expected to stand on our own if able, we walk together. We are all a part of society, and it is within the best interest of society to help one another. And to the subject of unexpected children.. Well hell man, not having sex is only a 99.9% certainty of not getting pregnant. Parthenogenesis ;) so that is a bit of a strawman there. It is wholly unreasonable to plan for everything that can possibly happen by the choice of ones own actions. By stepping outside of your house, you may be hit with a meteor and rendered nothing but a piece of meat, so I guess you should always wear a protective helmet when venturing outdoors, for what little good it would do. Also, add extra layers of protection to every facet of your life, I mean it would be a shame to get injured and have to rely on someone else for support for continued existence.. The sheer number of possible variables that one would have to plan for for any given action exceed the limit of which could be calculated in an expected lifespan. To hold oneself to a higher standard is to be applauded, however there is no way to reasonably look at each and every situation as entirely black and white. One of the things I have learned while studying physics, the closer you look at something, the stranger and less expected it becomes. The whole of reality is very strange, and life is no less strange. Things happen. Life happens.

 

Also, Jafo..

Quoting Jafo, reply 29
We'd be better served if there were an entry exam for Life.
Cull the pathologically dense and if nothing else this thread would be shorter....


Perhaps I am not the one who should be at a loss for words. It is better to have people think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

Reply #38 Top

By stepping outside of your house, you may be hit with a meteor

so that is a bit of a strawman there

 

Reply #39 Top

Quoting Rath3130, reply 37
It is better to have people think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

Load of tree-hugging hippie crap.

Be known for what you are not for what people think you MIGHT be....;p

If one MUST quote.... then how about something considerably more sublime?

A BIOS error message .... "Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue."

 

Reply #40 Top

Now that should be remembered for all eternity!  :rofl:

Reply #41 Top

Quoting kryo, reply 16

having an unexpected child


There's no such thing as an "unexpected" child from a consensual relationship. Having even one kid without a plan to provide for them is irresponsible, at best. It's not like babies make themselves.

Really? You fully expect to have a child everytime you have sex?

Also, Elena made it very clear that she (he? whatever) took the responsibility by working his/her ass off.

You come off very ... trollish here. Even if it might not be your intent.

 

Reply #42 Top

Quoting OsirisDawn, reply 41
You come off very ... trollish here. Even if it might not be your intent.

That'd be.....unfortunate.

These Forums only have a few 'Troll Hunters'[tm] ...and kryo's one of them....  [though I still think it might be a race between myself and Island Dog as to who gets the most scalps]...;)

Reply #43 Top

took the responsibility by working his/her ass off

And (assuming it was consensual, as noted earlier) put him/herself in a position of needing outside assistance as well. That came about through a consequence of personal action, not by accident.

At least trying to handle the result under one's own power is good (and more than many do these days), but that doesn't make the original cause more responsible. They still put themselves and the child through needless hardship and cost others in the process by doing something that they weren't prepared to deal with the result of.

 

Really? You fully expect to have a child everytime you have sex?

It may not be a guarantee every time, but you should be prepared for the possibility.

 

You come off very ... trollish here.

That would suggest I don't mean what I say, which I can assure you is not the case. Few things annoy me as much as people saying that they did something without fully considering the results, then saying that those natural results were an accident or something that "happened to them" rather than something they brought on themselves.

You'll find I haven't said anything about punishing people like that. Society has a responsibility to children born into hardship (they didn't choose that, after all). I've simply said that it's irresponsible to act without being prepared to deal with the consequences, and to treat those consequences as some sort of surprise. You can screw your own life up all you like, but don't involve other people (kids especially).

If you want to argue that acting without being prepared for the expected consequences is not irresponsible (which seems to be the case), that's just plain silly. But I suppose I've lectured enough.

Reply #44 Top

Quoting kryo, reply 43
then saying that those natural results were an accident or something that "happened to them" rather than something they brought on themselves.

Once upon a time Motor vehicle collisions were NOT referred to as 'accidents'.

They're never accidents, but 'natural results' of [typically] stupidity on one party or another...or both/all.

When I make a race-call in Formula One or MotoGP, etc I don't say "car 6 has had an accident....".... I say "car 6 crashed...."

In the subsequent written report there's an option for 'Observer's comments" which, if anything is simply put "racing incident" as it's certainly never an 'accident'....but usually someone exceeding the laws of physics.

The term 'accident' was coined to allay the fears of the new motoring public to hide the danger inherent in these mindless death machines....;p

Reply #45 Top

Damn you kryo.  Every time I read something and get ready to make a point you steal my thunder!  >:(

Quoting seanw3, reply 36
So do we apply the same hardlined philosophy to every part of life? If that were so I would be fine with it, but this country favors the 1% over all others, even the law. Law only applies to the poor. The rich get off pretty damn easy, even for murder. People make mistakes, like pregnancy, and there should be a way for the rest of society to allow those people a chance to succeed. Saying that it is their own damn fault and dropping them into inescapable poverty is not a satisfactory solution. There needs to be a middleground. 

As kryo said, no one is talking about letting people drop into "inescapable poverty", especially not in the case of children who have no control over the circumstances their parents put them in.  But that does not mean we should remove all consequences (again, this argument goes way beyond sex and pregnancy). 

Also, can we please give up this awful language of the 1% vs. the 99%.  Virtually everyone posting on this forum in all their wide ranging opinions is of the 99%.  This country favors people who go out and DO THINGS.  My wife and I are firmly in the 99%.  We both had massive undergrad loans after graduation.  Mine were  from my mostly useless social science degree that I couldn't pay off.  You know what I did?  I joined the Army (she joined the Air Force) so they would pay them off while paying me, training me, and giving me a place to live in the process.  I learned more useful skills there than in college.  Afterwards, rather than running out and buying new cars, TVs, and every other expensive thing like most of my friends, I used the money I saved while deployed for nearly 4 years and went to get an MBA.  I wasn't satisfied with the post-Army options that were open to me and had purposefully put myself into a position to do something about it. I'm still in the 99%, but I took responsibility for my own stupid decisions to spend $200k on a useless degree and went out and fixed the problem because that's what adults do.

The problem here isn't a lack of safety net.  It's a lack of understanding of basic adulthood.  When you take actions, those actions have consequences.  You should at least understand and be prepared for those consequences before you take the action.  Sex has the potential to produce children.  You should understand that and be prepared for it before having sex.  Of course society should be there to help those with the worst situations, but those people should have some responsibility for the process since their actions created the situation in the first place.

And one more thing:  The "rich" don't get off all that easy.  They contribute the VAST majority of funding for the services we all take for granted.  We can argue whether the vaguely defined "rich" should pay more or less, but let's admit what they do pay.  Every government services you've ever benefited from was paid for by 1) the "rich" and 2) corporations. 

Reply #46 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 44

Quoting kryo, reply 43 then saying that those natural results were an accident or something that "happened to them" rather than something they brought on themselves.

Once upon a time Motor vehicle collisions were NOT referred to as 'accidents'.

They're never accidents, but 'natural results' of [typically] stupidity on one party or another...or both/all.

When I make a race-call in Formula One or MotoGP, etc I don't say "car 6 has had an accident....".... I say "car 6 crashed...."

In the subsequent written report there's an option for 'Observer's comments" which, if anything is simply put "racing incident" as it's certainly never an 'accident'....but usually someone exceeding the laws of physics.

The term 'accident' was coined to allay the fears of the new motoring public to hide the danger inherent in these mindless death machines....

That's why you buy the biggest, heaviest mindless death machine you can afford...

People on the highways want to play GTA3 with me, have at it.  My Dodge Ram 2500 is built for it.  }:)

Reply #47 Top

kryo, I think I understand where you're coming from now.  It is all too common these days for people to make decisions without any actual logical decision-making process.  Just like the trend for bar owners being held responsible for all the things people do after drinking at the bar.  Humans can be inherently illogical at times varying from some to all depending on the individual.  And don't get started about decisions made on society-level.

But we just need to do the best we can to be logical where it counts and responsible, and encourage others to be the same.  That's all any one of us can do on our own.

Best regards,
Steven.

Reply #48 Top

Quoting OsirisDawn, reply 41

You come off very ... trollish here. Even if it might not be your intent.
 

Trollish and "disagrees with me" are not synonyms. 

Reply #49 Top

Quoting Kantok, reply 46
My Dodge Ram 2500 is built for it.

Highly unlikely.

They are 'truck technology' [an oxymoron].  You need to take a close look at truck crashes to understand the dynamics.

As for collision avoidance...they have the inherent stability and 'safety' of sliding down a razorblade using your balls as brakes.

The most common fatalities will be through simple roll-overs.

Again, people confuse big with better.

....and yes, I've also worked at Truck Racing events, including banked circuits....;)

Reply #50 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 49

Quoting Kantok, reply 46My Dodge Ram 2500 is built for it.

Highly unlikely.

They are 'truck technology' [an oxymoron].  You need to take a close look at truck crashes to understand the dynamics.

As for collision avoidance...they have the inherent stability and 'safety' of sliding down a razorblade using your balls as brakes.

The most common fatalities will be through simple roll-overs.

Again, people confuse big with better.

....and yes, I've also worked at Truck Racing events, including banked circuits....

I refuse to allow your logic to damage my long held beliefs!