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Banksters and Political Gangsters

Banksters and Political Gangsters

A look into the financial crisis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A

 



 

An excellent film.  :D

youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A

See also Michael Moore's new film Capitalsim: A Love Story Trailer and the Freedom Radio Review points out the errors.

and HBO's Too Big to Fail (the making of) which is an entertaining white washed look at the collapse.

And ya I am behind the times, I don't watch TV so I get info by word of mouth or internet. 

 

 

 

"... whenever the Legislators endeavour to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence. ... [Power then] devolves to the People, who have a Right to resume their original Liberty, and, by the Establishment of a new Legislative (such as they shall think fit) provide for their own Safety and Security, which is the end for which they are in Society."

 

 


John Locke

 

 

 

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

“The system of banking [is] a blot left in all our Constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction... I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity... is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the Government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.”

“... To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition. The incorporation of a bank, and the powers assumed by this bill [chartering the first Bank of the United States], have not, been delegated to the United States by the Constitution.”

   
Thomas Jefferson

 

 

 

 

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.”

“The money power preys on the nation in times of peace, and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.”

 

 

President Abraham Lincoln

 

“A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a Government of free opinion no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.... Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

 

 

President Woodrow Wilson

 

 

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. 
The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them,
but leave them the power to create deposits, 
and with the flick of the pen they will
create enough deposits to buy it back again.
However, take it away from them, and
all the great fortunes like mine
will disappear and they ought to disappear, for
this would be a happier and better world to live in.
But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers
and pay the cost of your own slavery,
let them continue to create deposits."


Sir Josiah Stamp
 
President of the Bank of England

 

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

 

"A business that makes nothing but money is a poor business."

 


Henry Ford

 

“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

 

David Rockefeller

 

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

 

Congressman Larry P. McDonald

 

 

   

 

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Reply #76 Top

I guess I did give you the out of asking two questions.  ;)

Reply #77 Top

Oh right, you did. I got side tracked with the riot in London.

Medication for those was probably a very small part of why those rates dropped. Public and doctor education on the root causes and better skills at surgery. Very few smokers today where everyone smoked when I was young and drank like fishes. Better environment, acid rain was a real big issue in the 70s as well as lots of other pollutants in the air, water and everything we handled.

I would have to say the biggest contributor is the non smokers. 2nd hand smoke was a real bitch for kids when I was young.

Reply #78 Top

Diawa,  i disagree with you.  The problem is the massive cuts on social programs, coupled with massive cuts to taxes on uber rich, coupled with massive tax give a ways to uber corps (the corporate welfare expenses), are destroying the fabric of the USA.  You can parrot all the 'get govt small,' so the 'free market' can work, all you want.  You sound like the Tea party.  However, saying it over and over again won't make it true.  The free market is a myth - and its rigged against small fry - including small businesses.  many uber-corporations pay ZERO taxes, and get massive amounts of cash from the US gov't.  Why hasn't that been 'cut?'

Also, remember that the Fed Reserve Board chairmen, almost every year tells us that a certain amount of unemployment is 'good' for the economy.  Well if being unemployed is 'good' for the economy, (everyone else derives a benefit) why then are the unemployed punished (economically?).  Is this an economic version of the 'untouchables' of the traditional Indian Caste system? 

Do yourself a big favor and listen to some other economists like Richard D. Wolff.  Our economy was strong when the top tax rate on the upper income portions of the uber rich 'earners' (leeches) ' was 91-93%.  Yes, 91-93%.  Check out your history books.  Get the long view, the big picture.  Shrinking govt has only one result, removing the only force little small fry have to collectively compete with the giant uber rich Goliaths, (and their uber-size weapons, called corporations) in the rigged free market.  Wail all you want that the uber rich, and their uber corps can't possibly balance the budget, over time, but unless they begin returning their ill gotten gains from the last 50 years, and start actually paying actual taxes - the class war they are mongering on the people will escalate -and no one will have anything. 

The last time wealth was concentrated so disproportionately in the US as it is now, was the roaring 20's.  Financial speculation was massive.  The fed govt had been forced out of any regulatory roles.  "Free Marker" so-called was supreme.  "The business of America is business," the president proudly proclaimed.  And then the great depression hit.  And when Franklin Delano Roosevelt finally put people to work, (the New Deal) the infrastructure of the US was enhanced greatly, and people were working again.  (Yes, WWII turbocharged the recovery.)   People had jobs again, people had dignity.  Now?  Most people i know work three part time jobs, end up working and traveling about 55-60 hours a week, minimum wage, no paid time off, no benefits, no medical.  Its that or slide out completely.  That's the economic reality for most people now.

Funny thing, at the height of the New Deal, when the us gov't committed massive amounts of wealth to shoring up the poor and dispossessed folks, a cabal of uber rich Americans plotted a coup against the us govt.  They even enlisted a US officer - big-brass (general?), to help them.  He played along, then blew them in.  Funny, its never in the regular history books - especially in High School texts. 

Yes, rail all you want about the evils of big gov't and how big business will fix everything.  Then 'the fix' will be in, big time - LOL.  I will choose big govt over plutocrats any day - because the govt - given enough voting, rallies, and political force, can be moved.  Corporations are conscious-less constructs that separate individual responsibility from individual profit taking (dividends).  Further, they enable people to do evil, and benefit from that evil, by manipulation, schemes, etc., that most people would never do to their next door neighbor.  But "its not personal, its business." So its OK?

Reply #79 Top

There are lots of areas where government is too big and actually keep small business down which the corporations lobbied to put in all these regulations to help them and close the small fry competition.

Even in Canada at the local farmers market it used to be many separate booths with pickups and now they're all but gone replaced by 3 vendors with transport trucks and GMO food.

Reply #80 Top

ElenaAhova -

You can think that all you want and it won't make it true, either.  It's a matter of relative benefits and disadvantages, perfection being impossible.  I'll take the warts and short-comings associated with individual freedom and economic mobility over a government dependency society any day.  YMMV. 

What 'massive cuts on social programs' have occurred, BTW?

And WWII didn't simply 'turbocharge' the recovery - it was the recovery.  The economic hole only got bigger during FDR's pre-war tenure.

There were a few major mistakes, enabled by our hubris, made by the government you're so fond of mind you, that put us in the pickle we're currently enjoying - if I had to pick only one, it would be the neutering of Glass-Steagal, but there are several.

Speaking of funny, the big financial speculators these days (Soros, Buffet, et al) are not the ones clamoring for more limited government.  Funnier still, do tell us what the proper distribution of wealth should be.  I, for one, am dyin' to know.

Reply #81 Top

myfist0 -

There are multiple factors in play, but we've learned that it has been primarily the improving medical management of heart disease and reduction of heart attack & stroke risk through more and better pharmaceutical agents that has made the real difference.  Even smokers are living longer.  I don't think acid rain was a factor.

Reply #82 Top

I have to admit I am a bit of a fan of Ron Paul (some policy's) but there has to be protection or regulation for the middle and lower class. Like I stated before, I am sure everyone would not mind tightening their belts as much as long as the wealthy are as well. When I say wealthy I mean corporations as well. Everyone do there part to first dig out of the hole and reward the wealthy for keeping jobs here and being patriotic and the ones that dont pay more for the social programs needed to help the fix the wounds caused by these blood sucking leaches.

Reply #83 Top

It's the prejudice in the phrase 'blood sucking leeches' that is part of the problem.  Successful does not equal 'blood sucking leech'.  You've fallen victim to envy politics.  There's a reason envy is considered a sin.

Reply #84 Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 83
You've fallen victim to envy politics.

I have fallen victim to TRUTH. 

Reply #85 Top

Spare me.

Reply #87 Top

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

 

"A business that makes nothing but money is a poor business."

 

I like that quote...

If one cannot see the degraded morality of the corporation, then one is truly blind to the truth.

The problem is much more than this, however.  It is a moral problem.

Reply #88 Top

Quoting SivCorp, reply 87
The problem is much more than this, however.  It is a moral problem.

That's a good thought Siv but how do you fix it? Anti-Psychotics for board execs? Would a moral politician even win? I was under the impression that the best liars win. Look how Obama fooled every one with "Change you can believe in".

Quoting SivCorp, reply 87
I like that quote...

It's actually 2 separate quotes. I lumped a few separate quotes for a couple of the boys.

Reply #89 Top

Its about the human costs of your supposed freedom, Diawa.  Every time the free market is allowed to be free of govt 'influence,'  a few creatures get monopolies or oligopolies going, and crush competition. And prices skyrocket.  That is a fact of history - not a fantasy.  Robber barons are leeches - like it or not.  Now, i like a market as a mechanism for trading goods and services. ((BTW, go read the classical Greek philosophers comments about the folks who come into the agora (market) with only c ash, trade all day, and leave with only cash.  What have they done to the goods in that market?))  A free market made up of small companies (personal companies) makes sense.  But that is not what happens, giants grow and stomp on everyone else.  In the sand box of life, the free (rigged) market has some giants stomping around, and we ants get pushed around.  That's leeching.  SO, the only way small fry ants (most of us) have any chance of real protection is to create a giant of our own - that's the govt - when citizens keep tabs on it.  ** Why is the freedom of small fry to unite as a giant through govt in the the so called free market NOT OK, but corporate giants, who have no interest except money ARE OK?  ** This puts money above people. 

I am so tired of the mantra that big govt is bad... while refusing to acknowledge that big corporations are not good.  Both govt and corporations provide a mix of benefits, obligations, and policies that cause damage to society/environment.  So far, however, most people are better off with big gov't than under unbridled big business. They tend to balance one another - when big business isn't so big as to dwarf many nations or control the gov'ts outright.

I endorse a 'free market' when that market only has 'mom and pop' / truly personal type bussiness(s) in it.  Once the uber-corps develop - they distort and manipulate the markets -and small fry then need a giant of their own to protect their HUMAN interests against the MONEY interests of uber -corporations.  The continued assaults on big govt are not motivated by a desire for freedom - but are orchestrated by giant uber corporations to get rid of the small fry's one advocate of giant size in the sandbox.  Kill the competition. 

Go ahead and choose a 'pure' 'free' market place.  Go ahead and trust adam smith's 'invisible hand' that guides a 'free market place.'  (sounds like a religion here!).  I won't.  I have watched 40 years of big business's assault on govt.  And it turns out its an assault on small fry.  

BTW, if you are correct, as you stated in your reply, that WWII is what pulled the USA out of the great depression, then you need to ask another question about so called free market capitalism.  First, however, remember that after FDR implemented many of the New Deal reforms, most small fry were better off.  Rural electrification happened. Many national parks were made. etc.  Small fry had jobs, they had dignity.  That is a good thing, dear sir!  Jobs were not moved off shore.  Now, if a world war (or waging regional brush fire wars) is whats required to have a successful capitalist economy, and a successful free market, then there is something fundamentally wrong with those methods of organizing our economic and political lives.  If you advocate for a system that requires continued expansion and warfare - then that says something very fundamental about your character, your values, who you are, and how much you value both the better aspects of human nature, and your fellow human beings who don't do so well in the social Darwinism moral cesspool of corporate market capitalism.

Or are you merely justifying selling your virtue to a corporation in exchange for a 'quality' standard of living?

Reply #90 Top

I am watching the DOW and it was at -208, I went to pour a coffee, came back to -327  o_O

Reply #91 Top

AIG to Sue Bank of America Over Mortgages 
AUGUST 8, 2011, 11:47 A.M. ET

NEW YORK—American International Group Inc. plans to sue Bank of America Corp. Monday in an effort to recover more than $10 billion it lost on mortgage investments, and intends to object to the lender's proposed settlement with other mortgage-bond investors.

AIG's lawsuit and its separate attempt to intervene in the much-publicized $8.5 billion settlement throw another obstacle in the way of Bank of America's efforts to put its mortgage woes behind it.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904007304576496101837999390.html 

There is chat that there is a run on the bank today. The suit was filed this morning.

 

Fanny & Freddy Downgraded Today

Reply #92 Top

Quoting myfist0, reply 90
If you advocate for a system that requires continued expansion and warfare - then that says something very fundamental about your character, your values, who you are, and how much you value both the better aspects of human nature, and your fellow human beings who don't do so well in the social Darwinism moral cesspool of corporate market capitalism.

Putting words in other people's mouths 'says something very fundamental about your character, your values, who you are'.  So, bite me.

Reply #93 Top

Was conditioned by an 'if' a conditional clause....   i don't bite... only nibble....

Reply #96 Top

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

 

Very nice.

 

Tell me what you think of this guy, myfist0....

 

 

I think one lone reporter over at msnbc is on to something.....

Reply #97 Top

ROFL  :grin:

It's about time someone pointed at both sides. I have been saying this for years, lobbying needs to be made illegal. Lobbying is legal corruption.

And I  am a mox news subscriber http://www.youtube.com/user/MOXNEWSd0tCOM 
You just beet me to posting that great video >:(  

 

 [video]http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=8406257[/video]
 
Reply #98 Top

Thought I would try to get this thread going again. Still getting hits anyway.

Reply #99 Top

Ohh, this is a gem  :D

 

Another inspiring classic
"The Declaration of Independence ! Our Lives, Our Fortunes, and Our Sacred Honor !" 

Reply #100 Top

I am going to guess that a Stardock Moderator works at a bank  :annoyed:

Allowing a moderator to post comments in 'Personal Computing' like

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 8
There is a place for logical thinking: Preventing countries/governments like Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons is extremely logical. It is also essential.

and moving a thread that calls out bankers to JoeUser politics is very biased and two faced

One calls for genocide and the other reforms, yet calling for another war and the death of millions, possibly WW3 is A'OK in Stardock's book, just don't mess with their bank account.