Do I need Entrenchment and Diplomacy??

I haven't played since 2009...

I haven't played Sins of a Solar Empire since 2009, and that was before I could get the chance to purchase entrenchement, and I figured these mods would greatly affect gameplay and I have questions that probably sound ridiculous. But here I go...

 

                   If I don't have Entrenchment or Diplomacy, can I play online against other people with Entrenchment or Diplomacy???       

                   Does anyone else just have the original Sins w/o these  mods?

                   Do these mods completly change the way the game is played and would I have to devise completely new stratagies?

                   And lastley, is the game considered more difficult to win with these mods, or is it easer, or would it be about the same as just the original Sins w/o mods?       

            

                            

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If I don't have Entrenchment or Diplomacy, can I play online against other people with Entrenchment or Diplomacy???

You can only play with people that are using the same version you are.

Does anyone else just have the original Sins w/o these mods?

Lots of people do and anyone who owns sins (any version) can play vanilla; however the bulk of the player vs player community plays diplomacy.

Do these mods completly change the way the game is played and would I have to devise completely new stratagies?

Star bases are probably the biggest change but the basics of the game remain the same.

And lastley, is the game considered more difficult to win with these mods, or is it easer, or would it be about the same as just the original Sins w/o mods?

The expansions add several more difficulty levels to the AI, playing the same difficulty it's probably easier to win with star bases if you don't the longer lasting game.

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Thanks, so i could use Entrenchment and diplomacy at the same time, and perhaps this new mod I just discovered called Rebelion?

 

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Quoting Spartan_27, reply 2
so i could use Entrenchment and diplomacy at the same time

Each expansion builds on the last. IE Entrenchment is Vanilla + Entrenchment and Diplomacy is Vanilla + Entrenchment + Diplomacy.
Quoting Spartan_27, reply 2
perhaps this new mod I just discovered called Rebelion?

Rebellion will be a stand alone with all the expansion combined.

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If I don't have Entrenchment or Diplomacy, can I play online against other people with Entrenchment or Diplomacy???

No.  Do note that you need to buy Entrenchment first before purchasing Diplomacy since Diplomacy uses all of the Entrenchment content.  (In contrast, the upcoming Sins Rebellion expansion will be stand-alone and will include all of the content of the previous games.)

Does anyone else just have the original Sins w/o these  mods?

The player counts on the Vanilla/Entrenchment server are lower than on the Diplomacy server and almost all of the people on the Vanilla/Entrenchment server are just playing comp stomps with their friends.  The real action is on the Diplomacy expansion.

Do these mods completly change the way the game is played and would I have to devise completely new stratagies?

you would have to learn about starbases, how and when to use them and how to deal with opponents' starbases.  Whether or not a starbase(s) will come into play depends on your opponent(s), his race, his strategy, the map, and what's going on in the game.  The Diplomacy expansion didn't add all that much to the online multiplayer PvP game but in some games the Diplomacy additions come into play.  (The Diplomacy expansion was aimed primarily at people playing AI.)  One big difference is that you need to conduct research before you can feed credits and resources to allies.

And lastley, is the game considered more difficult to win with these mods, or is it easer, or would it be about the same as just the original Sins w/o mods?

If you're playing against human players in online multiplayer I don't see what difference it really makes.  It's just as easy or difficult now as it was before.  The pro players are still pros, etc.  If you're only playing against AI, the Entrenchment expansion makes it easier because the AI is a foolish opponent and it has no idea how to properly use or deal with starbases.  So in many cases you can simply allow the AI to suicide itself on your starbases.  The Diplomacy expansion adds two new AI cheat levels, Cruel (4x economy buff) and Vicious (6x eco buff).  They're pretty challenging and you'll have to rely on having the AI suicide itself on your starbases.

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When you  say Stand-Alone... that measns I don't have to buy Entrenchment and Diplomacy to have Rebellion??

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Quoting Spartan_27, reply 5
When you  say Stand-Alone... that measns I don't have to buy Entrenchment and Diplomacy to have Rebellion??

Correct.  In fact, you don't even need to own the original Sins to play Rebellion.  It's almost like a separate Sins-2 that includes all of the content of the previous games.  However, whether or not you can log onto Ironclad Online using Vanilla Sins, Entrenchment, or Diplomacy separately remains to be seen.  If you only own Rebellion you might only be able to play Rebellion online, which isn't a big deal since that's probably what most people will be playing.  (But if you have a friend who only has the original Sins or Entrenchment and you only have Rebellion, you might not be able to just load up original Sins or Entrenchment and play with him.)

Do note that if you purchase the Diplomacy (and the required Entrenchment) expansion that you will be eligible to save $10 off of the Rebellion download.

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Reply #7 Top

o wow they have a sale on trinty today but i just bought one of the expasions yestarday! man i have bad luck :)