It's Sunday here.

As for data, etc....try the link....it's there to benefit, not to look  trendy.

HD would have been dead in the water without protection....as ALL the other US bike co's were already.

Re addykated vs smart....I have no idea what you 'guessed it was' as you had asked for clarification.  I gave it.  THAT is called 'eddykashun'.

The US bike 'world' was a little too insular in general....all those snide deprecating remarks at Daytona when a 'back-yarder' from Kiwi-Land brought his machine over to take on the 'big boys'.... and blew them all into the weeds......oops.   If you're curious....look up 'Britten'....;)

Yes, the world has all sorts of tariff protectionism....but then along came Bush and Howard and a lot if it was screwed [for Australia] ....though curiously we've survived the GEC a heck of a lot better than many....our dollar is now about 1.10 US.  I can remember when it was more like 45c.

Wait, now I'm really confused (don't hold it against me, re: edukattion defessit). Most of this article seems to suggest that this tariff was very bad for the economy.

Is http://www.selectsmart.com/DISCUSS/read.php?16,714764,714771 really the link that you intended to post?

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"According to the economic analysis and estimation that have been done on the Harley-Davidson case, the new tariff will unambiguously prove to be a setback for the American economy."

"While the Japanese motorcycle companies are doing their best to counteract the effects of the tariff--and, thereby, to lessen the support it will give to Harley--it is still clear that in an economic sense, the new tariff is a step backwards on both the domestic and international levels."

"The Reagan administration was fully aware of the economic losses that the tariff increase would cause. It was generally recognized that the economic losses from the new tariff would outweigh the economic gains."

"A matter that further obscures the motivations for the action is that even with the tariff hike there is a good chance that Harley-Davidson will fold, and this fact also was known to the officials."

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All their bolding, not mine. Either you didn't read the actual post or are agreeing with me in some sarcastic way that I'm not picking up.

You wanted to know what it was that I referred to as the HD co being 'protected' so I posted a link to show you what it was.

There was/is no other reason for the link, ulterior or otherwise.

 

Let's explain so there's no confusion.

HD was going to the wall.

HD lobbied the US govt to SAVE THEM.

The US govt 'saved them' by imposing tariffs.

The TARIFFS were bad for the US economy...but good for HD.

The needs of the few were met at the expense of the many.

Any US consumer who WANTED to buy an import was forced to pay MORE to protect the jobs of a bunch of people in Milwaukee whom they probably knew nothing of nor cared less about.

The protectionism was fact.....whether it was for the greater good or not was not in question, and certainly not the motive for posting whatever link was posted.

All HD needed to do was to tool up for things OTHER THAN boat anchors .... things that could compete with the Tokyo two-strokes and classic Pommie tin and Ducks from Italy.  Heck, if it weren't for the Outlaw MCs and chopping fraternity there'd be next to no market for them at all...;)

....Hell's Angels on Vespas would be.....entertaining....;)

Second pass is a Britten ...;)

[I'm actually just keeping up to speed with vid insertion]

Apples net income in 2010 was 14 billion, so if they were pro American instead of pro Wall street, they could open up a factory here, and take a measly, 10 billion net........

The iconic sound of the Harley Davidson.

 

To each their own.  The Harley was made to ride.  It's not a sport bike, it's a touring bike.  I prefer the posture on a Harley.  On a Harley you ride upright.. open to the road.  On a sport bike you ride bent over.. a tunnel view.  It's a different experience.  And perhaps a different attitude.  I ride for the road.  I'm there to experience it, not duck through it.  If I was riding to commute or to rocket, perhaps I'd want to use a sport bike.  But thats not why I ride.  To each their own.  

 

you mean the annoying two stroke rice burners, can't stand the sound of them. As the proud ex-owner of a 47 panhead the sound and feel of a Harley between the legs is really very cool.

while I would agree that the unions have create an unsustainable situation, they have stopped child labor practices, reduced sweat shops, made safer working conditions and generally created the middle class. the word you're looking for is "greed".

countries that do not keep their resources and labour owned\provided locally no matter what the cost eventually pay for it.

Problem is there is no way to keep labour owned locally.

Really each country should have a self sustainability core of industry and resource.

[quote who="Destraex" reply="35" id="2940652"]pays qui ne tiennent pas leurs ressources et du travail appartenant \ fournis localement, peu importe ce que le coût éventuellement payer pour cela.

Le problème est qu'il n'existe aucun moyen de conserver les travailleurs appartenant localement.

Vraiment chaque pays devrait avoir un noyau autosuffisance de l'industrie et des ressources.[/quote]

 

The climatic evolution of the modifications will bring him(it) anyway by time

This brings me back to my original question. What size territory is appropriate to be considered buying domestic? If America is the right size, does that mean that European nations should buy from all other European nations, since many of them are the size of states? Maybe America is too large. Should states all try to be self-sufficient, and not import from other states?

Why are people in America more deserving of jobs than people in China or Mexico?

You may think of it as an extended family.  You would give $1000 to your brother before you would a stranger (as a general rule).  So while you may think of borders as arbitrary, most think of them as encompassing people of similar mindsets and interests - and related to them by bonds that do not exist beyond the borders.  That is why the call to Buy American (or By French for France).

The old cliche - charity begins at home - is based upon the tribal instincts of the species and still is in effect today.

They aren't... but 100% employment is impossible, unless the population is less than 10.

Not impossible, but certainly not feasible. I think Nazi Germany was able to do it in the early part of WW2, but look how well that turned out.

People in America can vote in American elections. People in China and Mexico can't. Case closed.

And what really pisses me off is when Aussie companies/utilities overlook homegrown talent to import Americans to run things, just to stuff them up and piss off back to the States with millions of Oz dollars from being grossly overpaid... not to mention the golden handshakes worth more than triple of what an average Aussie worker would see in an entire lifetime. 

Sol Truillo is one who comes to mind.... stuffed up Telstra [a once public asset owned by taxpyers] and turned it into a profit oriented business that cares nothing about its customers and has let much of its infrastructure fall largely into disrepair... then he buggers off back to the States with 30 mill plus... AND shares in the company

Good riddance Mr Truillo, I'm glad you've returned to whence you came.  So sad, though, that we have home-grown talent with 10 times your brainpower, yet those at the helm will overlook them for others just like you... shitheads with impressive resumes but little or no experience... hasbeens  who couldn't/can't make it in business back home.

We now got another one running our electricity company [another former public asset] and he's doing a fine job of putting profit ahead of people.  With 1 in 5 pensioners now living in the dark, mo-fo, I hope you're happy, cos soon we'll have nothing left to take.  $700 and upwards for a quarter of [household] electricity is fucken ridiculous.

*rant off*

At one stage Makka's CEO was an Aussie who'd started out serving burgers [in Oz]...and worked his way all the way to 'the top'.  Unfortunately cancer got him [at a young age, too].

That dipstick who screwed up Telstra couldn't leave gracefully...even with that obscene 'handshake'.

Personally, I would have sent him packing without his gonads and minus any kind of handshake.... on a slow, leaky boat to China.  And as for Truillo being a dipstick, well he's far worse.  He was more interested in keeping shareholders happy with big dividends than looking after the company and/or its customers. 

While he was in charge the infrastructure fell into such a state of decay and now Telstra is battling an antiquated system it cannot hope to bring up to date within a respectable time for Oz to join the rest of the world on high speed broadband... enter the NBN.  Yup, if we had to depend on Telstra, Oz would still be in the technological dark ages for the next decade, as far as the internet goes.