Only way to get games is to smurf

Feel free to move on to another game.

If this don't improve with the rebellion, i might just do that.

The general gist of the thing is that people compstomp to "learn how to play".

And then first game they end up against proper player, they get they ass handed to them. Ive been called cheater many times past few days Ive been back. And i used the basics  of multilayer. I'm not talking about fines, i am talking about what unit counters what unit, initial build order and the elementary economy. Ive handicapped myself usually just by using capital ships.

The interesting "fad" I've noticed is that everyone and they dog is building turrets and hangar bays (but heavens forbid, not a single rep bay) in multi player games. That is what compstomp "teaches" the new players...

Now, i tell to them: watch replay, learn and so on. Response is: Hurr durr i go compstomp to learrrrn.

PS: where is all the competent players? Ive been lurking all night yesterday and today and saw no one with half a brain.

I've been pretty impressed with the patient and understanding responses here on this topic in many places on the forum so I don't want to take away from that but here is another perspective.

I don't get a "lot" of time to play live online.  I finish solo games on my own in bits and pieces usually.  I love the online play and am a quick student and getting beat by someone better than me is always a good learning experience--meaning, I don't mind getting beat. But here's my experience stating over a year back when I first began...

I log into a then crowded chat room, ask about playing and get told they are "waiting for better players". 

I attempt to join a game, am accepted--then am kicked off thirty seconds before it begins after an hour wait because, "a better player" is here".

I manage to find some newer players and we start a game and at the last minute a couple of players ask if they can join in at the last minute.  They side on the same team, trash all the new players with lots of insults and taunts and then start another game--which is locked and not open to the people they just trashed.  They were just killing time waiting for their "better players".

I am accepted in a 5v5 games.  On the opposing side all five of their team rush my home world en mass' world to get rid of me right up front so they can continue the game with the "better players".

I play a game with a "better" player who quits twenty minutes into it because other  "better" players have come on.

Here's a clue:  these aren't better players.  They are more experienced and practiced but "better" is not an accurate description.  They suck as players.

And then complain because they won't play with you?  You get what you give.

I remeber the "better player " syndrome was when community was more lively.

That was the reason i got to be "better player" quite fast. I had to learn or i would be without games.

Now everyone just suck cocksicle ...

What a load of crap. Typical whiner.

There is ounce of truth in SIN-imperium's whine. I, too, remember when it was hard to get in to a high skilled games without proving yourself to community.

But there were chances to prove yourself, and tonnes of recordings to learn from...

My point is you can't blame new players when they can't get in a good game.  I have managed to play three times with experienced players.  I have had over a dozen times where I was invited then de-invited, booted or had the game abandoned within minutes so they could go play with "real players".

Some of us work, have kids, businesses etc and aren't playing in our room at mom and dad's house or in the college dorm where mom and da pay tuition for us.  To spend a few hours online with people who could give a rip less about finishing a game and are just as likely to never actually get you into it when it starts isn't something 'fun" and its just a waste of time.

Mecha-Lenin, the point is that if you have a crappy attitude about the newer players, you have no right to whine about whether or not they play with you.

In the few times I have managed a long game online, only once did I get a chance from the "better player" for a rematch.  That person was out to win but when they were done shot the breeze a bit explaining their strategy before they went on and were fun to play. I lost both times but the second game went four hours compared to 45 minutes for the first one.  It was fun and winning/losing wasn't an issue.

You guys that want more competition--and refuse to play beneath your level--should start a competitive tourney up where you rank by victories in it and make it open to all.  You'd quickly blow out lesser players and get a chance to put your money where your mouth is and brag on real victories there.  Everybody's a great on an internet forum.

If I had been playing Sins since the vanilla and had hours every day to play, I could sit around and talk about how many victories I had and pose as some great genius of strategy too.  Big whoop.

Over all this it comes down is their a community where new and old players can both play or is it just your community?  The attitude is kinda insulting.

Oh you are the one who has "real life".

That a good one. Anyway, i bet you don't even know the armor types and weapon damage types. Could be wrong, but i am afraid i am no. The lack of interest in game mechanic is what set aside "good player" from "casual" player.

We know how the game works.

ROFL!

Yeah, you are right. Us "casual" players with "real" lives have no clue about the relationships between Heavy/Medium/Light/Very Light weapons vs Heavy/Medium/Light/Very Light armor. Just like us "casual" players with "real" lives never mod the game so we don't have a clue how the game works.

The point that Sins-Imperium, and I shall add as well, is trying to make is that our schedules do not always coincide with others and so we are limited in our time to play Multiplayer style. Hence our supposed game stats suck and we are barred from games because we aren't "better" players.

I think one of the reason Siddy has more to do with your attitude then your "proness". You are not very fun to play with I am sorry to say.

I think his problem is that he's playing on Entrenchment and not Diplomacy.

I would offer something constructive, like "why dont you offer an advantage to the newbs... like here: ill be on the smaller team, or, give them a hard ai or something."

but i dont think it will help.

Instead i should prolly say something insulting, link to an appropriate link and call it a day.

but DS is right. clearly you are not playing diplomacy... but from your 2 most recent threads... I know i wouldnt want to play with you anyway.

If people couldn't smurf there attitude might change when nobody would play with them. Having to smurf to get a game should be a clue.

Ok, good players found, thread over. Thank you, Radioactive. Have my babies. 

Yep--you summed it up well Ryat...our schedules aren't all as open.

If all I did was went to high school, came home and played every night for a few hours and then had the whole weekend to sit in my room for 96 more hours with no sleep, I'd log the "real man's hours" too--but it's annoying and insulting to set aside the bit of free time to play with what are essentially immature bad sports. 

All that aside, why are there no tourneys?  As it stands the equivalent of tourneys now is  your "lifetime average" which is prejudiced and slanted against new players who haven't had the game as long.  Seems like a tourney would be a welcome thing on both sides.  For established players to earn their brag and for emerging good players to show themselves.

The conversation here is just a reflection of teen peer group behavior but on the other side its showing the importance of an inviting attitude for new players.

I grew up playing board games with several thousand die cut counters that had maps half the size of your living room and took three months to finish.  I think I can handle Sins.  That's why it's so appealing--its the closest thing to a computerized board game I've seen...and you have never felt so pissed as when someone knocks the board over on a monster game you have played for a month so they can eat a sandwich.

From what I understand Rebellion will have this tourney thing put in place through Impulse Reactor.

Many online games suffer from their community.  Either they randomize assignments and people complain that they can't coordinate and move on to another game.  Or, they let players choose teams and games and the core player base dwindles down to a few accepted regulars. 

But having a crappy attitude and offending everyone isn't going to help the situation.  Instead you gain a reputation as a jerk and people go out of their way to avoid you. 

In the end though they end up being ghosts--not really a factor anymore--just people who every now and then pop up angry because it isn't their property anymore.  This too shall pass.

Would be great if impulse did it but there is no reason that players couldn't create their own tourney.

I play regularly and know there are still MANY skilled players left.   Mr Siddy just sounds to me like a cry baby bitch who has a superiority complex. Siddy try Diplomacy server if you want some skilled games.  Then you can eat your words, and feel like the dumb@#$ you are!  Good Luck

ROFL!

We really don't need Impulse for that.  There are several websites out there for organizing online gaming leagues and ladders.  Here are two screenshots of a long defunct one for the game Unreal Tournament (1999):

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20031228174006/http://www.provinggrounds.com/ladder.cfm?ladder=73

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20031205041431/http://www.provinggrounds.com/ladder.cfm?ladder=5

Yes...a lot of sites that provide kill boards, tourneys, forums.  The problem is when they are "offsite" (away from the official forum) they can end up being a virtual private tourney or you end up with multiple efforts with no single one having the majority participating.  Occasional visitors who still play the game don't always see them, or perceive them as "not official".  Sort of like if I posted here, "Come to my website to be part of the Sins dynamic community group!". It's not "the" community group, it's just "a" group and most wouldn't feel inclined to see it otherwise.

It would be easy to simply start an informal league here like bowling teams.  Show up, play and post results on forum.  All that is required are common rules and standards everyone agrees to.

I'm all for doing it whatever way works but I have noticed for more than a year the cries and lamentations of the veterans and just wondered why they haven't done it?

P.S.  I declare victory in stealing a troll post and turning it into a useful thread.

It would be cool if Impuse:Reactor which will be integrated with Rebellion supported custom tournaments so stats could be automatically recorded...

what a load of elitist b.s., if you're intentionally trying to make the game inaccessible to players that aren't "good enough", then you don't deserve any sort of competition.

Sadly, that's been the goal of some.  The more people playing the better the game opportunities as I see it--and you get more bees with honey than with vinegar.

As to the OP,  Siddy has extremely rarely played any "main" so having even 1000 on one name is extremely unlikely.  He has always smurfed 99% of the time.  He was usually someone that griefed people then anyways and thats why he did smurfed to begin with.  Secondly most of the players that play outside of the clan,DT, he is marginally associated with know who "Siddy" is and do not want to play with him.  There are good reasons for him to be kicked if he dared to show his face on anything remotely "siddy".  He could give a rat's ass about the community.  He is just as the pic he posted states(a troll).

[_]-Greyfox