whats with 1.2 WoM? it should be out 2 weeks ago if i read the first post right. Is any new word out for a timeframe?

Well, umm....yea.  I think that the longer that Kael has worked on fixing WoM, the more and more problems he has found. 

that's what happens when developers have a good nose for bugs and other problems, it takes longer to release a patch. As has been stated before... I'd rather have as many bugs and problems squashed before they release it.

Speaking of that, it has been an unusually long time now since an update was posted.

I don't believe Kael works on WoM though. It's all FE for him.

Kael does what I tell him to do!  Or else!

Ok then...where's your pony?

Yea..Kael!  Pony now, Kael!  Or else!  Or fucking Else, Kael!  Don't make me "or else" your ass!

So...1.2 comes out in the next days. And 1.3 will be mostly a feature patch, right?

Are these all points for the patch 1.3 or can i hope for more?

most likely there will be more things listed once the patches get released. They only give us so much to drool over, if they gave us anymore we'd likely turn into this guy.

1.3 is purely about features. And I don't expect 1.3 to be the end of the line. Just depends on what people want.  Fallen Enchantress, I confess, is a lot better overall than War of Magic. But it is also more focused. So War of Magic will never ever be nearly as polished as Fallen Enchantress will be but for those who don't care about that but want to see things added to WOM that won't fit in FE we will continue to discuss that.

There's also the fact that things that are brought into FE as you've said might actually bleed over and find it's way into WOM. If I recall you made some posts about that Brad.

Version 1.3 / 1.4 wishlist:

AI. AI. Tactical Battle polish. AI.

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I 2nd this & add minor factions at some point

ooh.. and maybe militias for city defence

Isn´t it possible to put good things from FE into WoM? Overall, you sound a little bit frustrated with WoM?

Edit/

I mean, where is all the "we will make sure this game will reach his potential" enthusiasm. Or is it so, that you think after 1.3 there isn´t much that can be done? (realisticaly) 

Your statement sounds more like "Forget WoM and wait for FE"...

Brad, I think if some good ideas come up in FE that could work in WoM without too much trouble, then I think it would be a good idea to put them in WoM.  Then that would prove that you still want to make the game the best it can be given the circumstances.  Sure, it won't be ever as focussed and well-planned as FE, but don't give up on good FE ideas, if they could be put to good use in WoM!

Best regards,
Steven.

Morale

1. Better trained units should have higher morale than lesser trained units.

• Example: Untrained - Morale 20, Experienced - Morale 50. Veteran - Morale 80, Elite - Morale 100
• Perhaps, units morale rating should increase after every battle
• Example: Peasant Unit starts with a morale rating of 20, after 10 battles their morale rating is 40. (increasing by 2 after each battle).

2. Morale checks should be triggered by rear attacks

R=Rear, F=Flank, <=Front

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3. Morale checks on all friendly units should trigger if a Sovereign or Hero flees the battle field.

4. Heros should be able to use an action to rally broken units.

• Perhaps, allow only Sovereign and warrior, adventurer hero units to rally troops (i.e. merchant heros and sages cannot rally troops).
• Perhaps, Charisma rating affects chance to rally troops with broken morale

5. Would like to see a fear spell that can trigger a morale check.

6. Would like to see a creature or two that radiate fear.

• An untrained peasant attacking such a creature is likely to fail their morale check, while a veteran soldier has a higher chance of making its morale check and attacking the creature.

7. Two stages of broken morale

• If a unit fails its morale check it becomes shaken and does not move,
• If a shaken unit fails its morale check it becomes broken and flees the battlefield

BRAD!  UPDATE THIS THREAD! PLEASE!

I can't remember who is in charge of the 1.3 update, so I am just going to yell for Brad to update this. And I did it in big, bold red letters, cause this shit is serious!

But he replied a day or two ago!   However if you mean updating the OP...

Best regards,
Steven.

Yea, I mean the OP.  I am soooo wanting this game to work (Run & Fun).  And it's ran well for me for awhile, so I am waiting for the fun.  1.1 was fun for a short time, but with quest being meaningless, factions being generic, and combat and gear being unbalanced, the fun didn't last.

Just thought of something.  This is important.  A big problem with this game is armies looking generic.  Maybe if they wore tunics (like the guild ones in WoW with the nations flag on it and colors, along with having the coat of arms on their shields, it would go a long way to faction differential.  Not near as cool as each faction having their own armor style, but seems like a lot easier way of doing it.  And I want SOMEHTHING done.

Exactly. And overall.... it felt everytime the same. And it wasn´t a challenge, even on ridicolous. (and i´m a fun player and no strategic freak). Its a shame, because i really like the game/the idea. I still have hopes for WoM, altough its obvious that most of the energy goes into FE. (what isn´t a bad thing overall)

So, asking for WoM and its future isn´t meant to offend SD. Its a player passion thing... (something like that can´t find the right words)

Yeah, I agree. Surcoats with the factions' colors and sovereigns' coat of arms would be pretty nice.

SD, take your time with 1.3. When you are ready for beta testers, I will be there trying to help balance the game. Until then "WITH FIRE AND SWORD"

1. So is 1.3 going to have the long promised tactical initiative system? You been talking about this for 5-6 months.

2. Also can you please fix next problem in tactical (if there is no initiative system implemented because in that case it does not matter): Animations sometimes are a bit long (especially when casting spells) so while it is running I would click on the next guys I want to attack with and he would get selected. As soon as I can I would click with him on the target but the game would sometimes change the selected unit by itself instead of staying on the one I selected (probably cycling selected units in some predetermined order). So either do not let us select units out of their turn (or during animations) or when we do click on a unit never allow the game to override players choice. This problem has been around forever and is still present in 1.2. And it is one of the major things that make me hate each combat encounter.

So when does the 1.3 beta start?

In my humble opinion that's not a good idea. It feeels really good to discover almost everything at the begining of the game. I understand why you do it. The purpose is to speed up things a bit. But instead of starting with a group of 4, why don't you make the tech to train a group of 4 a very cheap tech? That way, players could have it since very early, without having to wait 20 turns or more to research it, but still have to research it.

Iy's like Civ4 (the last good Civ). I am sure you have played it. In that game, EVERYTHING has to be researched. Including very very basic techs, like the ability to work sea tiles, the ability to build roads. Some civs already start with the tech to work sea tiles, other start with the tech to build roads, and you could do the same in E:WoM. Some kingdoms or empires know the tech to create squads since the begining, others know the tech about how to work farms, and so on.

There is also a game called GalCiv2 (I think you know it ) in which the player even needs to research a very cheap tech before being able to talk with other players. And that also feels good.

So, sumarizing, I thing that having to discover everything (or almost everything) since the begining is a very interesting thing in gameplay terms. You just need to tune down the research points required for the first levels. Imagine, the first level may require only 10 research points, or even 5, but be formed by very basic techs:

- Squads (To train groups of 4 units)
- Basic diplomacy (To be able to talk with other players)
- Magic research (To be able to research magic spells)
- Weaponry (To be able to use weapons)
- Colonies (To be able to train pioneers)
- Farming (To be able to use farmlands)
- Researching (To be able to build research facilities)
- Exploring (To build wanderers)
- Dinasty (To be able to marry your sovereign)

To help starting things up, the Palace in the capital city would provide 1 research point. So at the begining right after founding the first city, you start researching at the rate of 1 research point (enough to research all those first levels that require only 5 research points and maybe also the second levels requiring 10 research points).

This also would help customizing factions, because when creating a custom faction (or sovereign) players could choose techs from the first level or maybe the two first levels.

What about allowing each city in the empire to choose its loyalty? Sometimes two nations will be very close friends, and all cities will go to the allied nations. Some other times no clear ally will exist, and each city will choose who to join.

Do you really think it's a good idea? In my opinion, that's one of the features that work best in Age of Wonders, and also here in E:WoM