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MarvinKosh's Space Weapons Fix Mod v6B (updated 31/08/2014)

MarvinKosh's Space Weapons Fix Mod v6B (updated 31/08/2014)

for Twilight of the Arnor (Ultimate Edition on Steam)

http://marvinkosh.omniloth.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/SWFix_ModVI_beta3.zip

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Some time ago the modding community started poking around in the TA tech trees to see why the AI was reluctant to develop certain techs.  We found that some weapons techs were categorised as PD, instead of Military, meaning that unless missile weapons were deployed, those techs would never be researched by the AI.  Obviously, an AI that can't fight back isn't much of a challenge.

The idea behind this mod was originally just to get the TA AI on the right track as far as weapons are concerned.  However as suggestions have been put forward by the community, more improvements have been made to the tech trees.  Some features have been driven by my own need to fix annoyances.

For example there is the AI's passion for spamming factories or labs onto every tile, crashing their early economy.  These basic improvements would get upgraded and then cost the AI even more in terms of miantenance and production cost, forcing the AI to run inefficiently with the production slider at far less than 100%.

So my approach has been to deprive human and AI alike of early structures that can cause economic meltdown, and in their place have Super Projects which allow for some single-planet focus.

N.B. Use the external link above or choose one of the versions below.  The successive versions are not patches, they contain  all the features of that version of the mod.  Extract the ZIP folder to your mods folder - if one doesn't already exist, create it.  If your mod select screen in-game is broken, see here to fix it.

For a video overview of mod installation, see here.

For gameplay examples, check the new YouTube channel here.

 

Recent versions

v5G:

  • Krynn tech tree bug fixed (thanks to Guanathor for spotting it) - they should now research weapons and not get stuck.
  • Arceans have a Fusion Beam weapon which replaces Lasers.
  • Fixed bad tags in GC2Types.xml which led to wonky weapon animations.
  • Added PlanetImprovements.xml that should have been added in 5F.

v6:

  • Beam weapons balance tweaked - beams are fairly expensive per unit of firepower but scale damage to size well.
  • Missile weapons balance tweaked - missiles are much cheaper per unit of firepower but do not scale damage to size well.
  • Mass driver weapons tweaked - mass drivers are the cheapest per unit of firepower, and are average at scaling size to damage.
  • Krynn buildings - Consulate changed to Super Project, gives +20 bonus to influence ability.  Cost increased to 125, no maintenance.
  • Krynn tech tree - Various changes.  They lose Industrial Revolution, so no Entertainment Centre, but gain A History of Co-operation which nets them a free +10 to Culture.
  • Thalan buildings - removed limtations on matrices.  Reduced output of matrices but set maintenance to 1.  Fusion Transformer is now available with Technology Adaptation II, adds 8mp and 8 tp, magnifies mp and tp by 75%, cost 500, maintenance 10bc.
  • Altarian buildings - Regional Matric no longer upgrades from Manufacturing Matrix.
  • Altarian tech tree changes.
    • Core Technologies I: Economic Improvements, Xeno Economics
      • Also unlocks Xeno Communications.
    • Core Technologies II: Research Improvements, Xeno Research, Xeno Biology
    • Core Technologies III: Productivity Improvements, Industrial Construction, Temples.
      • Also unlocks Xeno Farm Construction.
    • Core Technologies IV: Soil Enhancement, Xeno Trade Centres.
      • Also unlocks Diplomatic Relations.
    • Core Technologies V: Military Improvements, Interstellar Warfare, Space Militarization, Space Weaponisation
    • Core Technologies VI: Starport Upgrades, Interstellar Construction, Advanced Hulls
    • Core Technologies VII (after Technology Progression I): Space Weapons (new), Research Academies.
    • Core Technologies VIII (after Technology Progression II): Invention Matrix, Medium Scale Building, Starship Defences, Advanced Space Weapons.
  • Yor buildings - removed limitations on collectives.  Reduced output of collectives but added a % bonus to manufacturing.  Brought collective cost to build more in line with other factories.  Research Matrix is now Cybernetic Matrix, increases mp and tp by 12, with a 25% bonus on top, increased cost to 90 and maintenance to 7.
  • General buildings - Industrial Sector cost reduced to 180, maintenance reduced to 7bc.  Omega Research Centre now adds 20tp and boosts research by 65%.
  • Torian buildings - Reduced cost of University to 80.  Reduced cost of City of Learning to 100 and maintenance to 6.  Technology commune now adds 10tp and only costs 350, maintenance reduced to 7.
  • Default ships: Altered GC2Ships.xml to remove the obligatory Hyperdrive and extra crap from some of the starting designs, increased Support modules in a few cases.
  • Iconian buildings: Precursor Archive maintenance reduced to 4.  Precursor Library maintenance reduced to 4.  Precursor Matrix is now a Super Project which adds 12tp and improves civ's Economics ability by 40.  Precursor Repository is now a Super Project which adds 16tp and improves civ's Research ability by 20.
  • Power Plant buildings scrapped.  There are now three new Trade Goods, Fusion Power generators, Anti-matter Power generators, and Quantum Power generators which increase social or military production abilities.
  • Known issue: Arcean 'Space Weapons' (new) tech is not properly costed, should be 180 not 600.


v6A:

  • Arcean tech tree streamlining - some techs are now optional rather than core.
  • Fixed Space Weapons costing in Arcean tech tree.  It is no longer core, because Arceans have access to Fusion Beams earlier on, but it does give access to Missile Weapon Theory and Mass Driver Theory in case the player wants Stinger or Railguns.
  • Added 'Support' hull class - category Small, available with Interstellar Construction.
  • Known issue: AI builds Support class but names it 'Heavy Fighter.'
  • Known issue: The Drengin Experimentation Centre can be upgraded - this is fixed in version 6B.
  • Increased colony module cost from 50 to 100.  Together with the cost of a cargo hull, this is about a 50% increase in cost.
  • Basic Life Support module is no longer available.  Life support modules are smaller but offer less range, starting at General Life Support tech.
  • Altered GC2Ships.cfg again, removing old Life Support modules from ship designs.  Starting ships are affected.
  • Yor and Zylon tech trees - Biological Studies is now categorised as Terraforming, not Colonisation.  Neutrality Learning Centre removed.
  • Yor and Zylon buildings - cybernetic versions of the Research Centre, Research Academy, Invention Matrix and Discovery Sphere.  These are all half the usual maintenance cost.  However there is no cybernetic version of the Research Co-ordination Centre or Neutrality Learning Centre.  Manufacturing Vortex now a Super Project granting +30 to Social Production as opposed to +15% manufacturing per planet.
  • Krynn tech tree - changed Xeno Industrial Theory to Manufacturing category, increased priority for Research techs.
  • Arcean buildings - Advanced Navigation Centre is now a Super Project, does not upgrade the basic Navigation Centre and provides a civ-wide increase in speed of +1.
  • Arcean Fusion Beam - the required sound file for this weapon is now included.
  • Yor and Zylon tech trees - debugged and rearranged for visual consistency.

v6B:

  • Krynn tech tree fixes: corrected category for Missile Defence Theory, Mass Driver Theory.
  • Drengin Experimentation Centre is no longer an upgrade target for the Improved Slaveling Lab.
  • Hull capacities, hitpoints and logistics have been rebalanced.
  • Armour and point defence modules have been rebalanced.
  • Logistics ability gains from technology have been doubled to compensate.

For obvious reasons, updates to the mod are on hiatus until the community update is completed. :)

For a full version history of the mod, see here.

For download links of older versions, see here.

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Reply #451 Top

Okay so it is a mod thing that's causing it, or at least seems to be. ;)

Away to hunt and see what it could be...

Well it turns out there was a modded weapon animation loose in the mod folder.  I've stunned it and locked it away behind a forcefield for now.  I don't think I put it in the upload, but I'll check anyway.

Yep, all good.  Now to test and make sure. *fingers crossed*

Reply #452 Top

Well, it looks like there's something else wrong in the mod folder.  I'm going to try disabling the new ship components, because that's the most likely place where I could screw something up. ;)

If it's not that, at least I've eliminated that from what could be causing the problem.

Reply #453 Top

Okay so I've narrowed it down to GC2Types.xml (just my luck) which means I'm not the only one who might see the weirdness with the beam weapons.  Going to have to check and see what's going on with the file.

Reply #454 Top

There's a tag <Behaviour> which has got itself turned on.  In the original file these aren't used, except maybe in the older version of the game I'm guessing. :P

Yet another reason to never never use the supplied editor.  Completely my bad for not spotting it sooner though.

 

Reply #455 Top

There we go, all fixed. :)

I'll put out a new version in a bit, just in case anyone else was annoyed by it.

Reply #456 Top

I also noticed that I must have missed PlanetImprovements.xml when I last uploaded.  Huh.  So I think I'll rub out the download for version 5F, just in case it screws something up.

Reply #457 Top

Okay, Fixed version is up.  Let me know if there are any problems with it!

Reply #458 Top

Played a new test game tonight, managed to get myself into the red with the colony rush.  Oops.

Being in the red for too long places you in the precarious position of needing to raise taxes but with approval so low, population growth can slow down quite dramatically, so you can't raise them too high otherwise you'll make things worse.

Things turned around, but the other races have been spamming colonies like crazy while my production and research have been on hold.  Even though I've snagged a nice grouping of 25 or so colonies, it's uncertain how I'll do in the rest of the game.  Yay, a challenge! :)

Reply #459 Top

The new design for the Arcean tech tree means that I'm able to field some defence fighters with Fusion Beams at about the time that the Terrans start building their military up.  I've got Space Cannons built and the improved Cathedral of Valour in play, which should help if anyone decides to invade.

I've yet to fill in the description for the Fusion Beam.  Huh.  I could swear that I did that.  Oh well. :)

The newest test game should be fun.  There are some early wars going on, because it's an Immense-sized galaxy I haven't actually met the guys instigating things.

Reply #461 Top

Test game seems fairly busy tonight.  It's taking sometimes a minute or so to process turns, presumably because of all the fighting.

Reply #462 Top

I think that I have a solution for the Thalan problem.

Basically, what I have done up until now is limit how many money-sucking improvements the Thalans can build.  Now, while that's nice and all, it presents a few problems, notably that it can become impossible to rebuild a particular improvement if an upgraded version of the original is destroyed.

So instead what I will do is relax those restrictions, and give the Thalan manufacturing and technology matrices a lower output and a low maintenance.  But they will get a new, non-upgrading 1pp improvement which boosts the output of a matrix.  Call it a Hyper-Fusion Transformer, if you will.  It will have a high maintenance cost but since there can be only one per planet, the money sucked will be significantly less and the Thalan economy won't collapse like a house of cards.

Well, that's the theory.  I'm anticipating that this will make the Thalans far more dangerous than they already are, as a lot of their manufacturing and research will be bonus rather than base output, allowing them to do it cheaper than anyone else.  Which is kind of par for the course for a race that's from the future. ;)

I will also take a look at the Altarians, Yor, Krynn and Iconians while I'm poking around.

Reply #463 Top

Today I did a major bit of tweaking of the beam weapons.  Their output is going to be higher, for example 18 for Phasors VII and 14 for Disruptors IV.  They will cost a bit more, obviously, but there's going to be more improvement in the cost/space and damage/cost ratios as you move through the tech tree.  This means less instances where you research a new weapon tech and can't seem to fit any more firepower.

I'm also going to look at missile and mass driver weapons in more detail.

Because this is a fairly major change I'm incrementing the version to 6 for the next release of the mod.  It's possible that I will need to beef defences up a little bit, but I'll see when I run a test game. :)

I've posted the changes to the weapons here if you want to have a look.

Reply #464 Top

I've gone over the planetary improvements and removed the restrictions on some, went ahead and added the Fusion Transformer for the Thalans, and turned the Yor's Research Matrix into a Cybernetic Matrix.

Still have changes to make for Iconians.

Reply #465 Top

Okay then, there's still a few more changes I want to make.

Reply #466 Top

I've turned the power plants into a set of trade goods which modestly improve military and social production.  The upside is that you no longer have to waste a tile on each planet on a building which may later be destroyed.  The downside is, since they are trade goods, anyone who captures the planet can control them.

There are still races which have tile-based production magnifiers, I'm leaving those for now.

Reply #467 Top

Version 6 is up, see top post.

Note that you will need to change the mod folder to get version 6 running, different folder name. :)

Reply #468 Top

Going to try out a new hull class in my next game.  It's provisionally named 'Support' and will be between small and medium hulls in terms of capacity, cost, logistics and hitpoints.

Reply #469 Top

I'm considering a change to colony module costing.  This will mean it takes longer to produce colony ships, which will somewhat slow down the colony rush.

This is fair to all players and will allow populations to grow for a while longer before another new colony is added, potentially staving off economic meltdown.

Reply #470 Top

Some thoughts about the colony and life support changes.

Changing the colony module cost does seem to slow down the colony rush a bit, to the point where the human player doing some scouting is of some benefit.  On the other hand, sometimes you're still going to be beaten to that sweet high-PQ world.  The early game seems a bit less hectic now.

The basic life support module now takes up an appreciable part of a tiny hull's capacity.  So for long-range scouts you'll probably have to skip sensors and a hyperdrive.  Cargo hulls have more capacity to work with so you can fit a couple of support modules, an engine and a colony or constructor module, but that's it until more research is done.

I'm not sure about the miniature life support modules, I think I made a typo somewhere.  Yeah, fixed now. :)

Reply #471 Top

Test game I'm playing now, the AI is definitely making use of the new ship class.  Unfortunately though, the Small class seems to be falling out of favour, probably because it has fewer hitpoints.

Reply #472 Top

Unsure what to do with the new Support hull class.  On the one hand, it does spice up the early game, but it makes the original Small hull a bit redundant unless you have a very limited production capability or you want to mass produce a cheap fighter.  It does cost one less logistics point than Support so maybe it will see some use.

I'll keep playing and see how it goes. :)

Reply #473 Top

Well as it turns out the AI does still use the smaller hull, just not very frequently.  That's good to know.

I think I need to get a bit more radical with changes to life support.  What I'm going to do is return to one support module per tier, but only the small modules.  Basic Life Support will be cut (I will leave it set to require 'ImpossibleTech' in case you want to add it back in).

This means that the AI and player will be unable to add life support modules to ships until General Life Support is researched, so early expansion and exploration will be limited to nearby systems and sectors.

My reasoning here is that it's too easy to just slap a couple of support modules onto an early colony ship and colonise a planet four or five sectors away.  No wonder the AI is rushing to every planet in the known galaxy!

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Reply #474 Top

Additionally, while I was playing last night I noticed that the Zylons (they have a close copy of the Yor tech tree) aren't terraforming their planets.  Must be some sort of tech tree issue.  It's holding them back a bit!

Reply #475 Top

In a couple of weeks this mod will be three years old.  Wow, time flies eh?

Still going with my latest test game.  The recent changes to the weapons have been beneficial to my Arceans, who can do a lot of damage in that first round even with just Harpoons and Neutron Drivers.  This leverages their Super Warrior ability, allowing them to take less or no damage from enemies when they get the first attack.

Yeah, I'm actually mixing my weapon types for a change.  Plus, missile modules are quite big, so I sort of need the second weapon type.

I haven't fought any tough opposition in the late stage of the game.  The Drengin are the most powerful, but they're also my ally (I'm -evil- Arceans!) so I've been going after the weaker races and using influence to flip a few colonies away from my rivals.

In the early/mid game though I did have to fight off the Zylons and Altarians (thankfully, not both at the same time) and the space cannons and Cathedral of Valour were pretty useful in staving off ground attacks from the odd transport that got through.  So I think for the most part, my job working on the Arceans is done, apart from filling in some descriptions.

Going to go back to the Zylons/Yor next game and see what needs doing there, apart from obviously getting them to terraform - I might need to make the technology core, or I might just need to pull it out from behind Biological Studies.