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UFOs: What do YOU Believe?

UFOs: What do YOU Believe?

A Question that mankind has asked since the dawn of time.

UFO's and Aliens. Do they exist? Do you think there's even a chance that there is other intelligent life in our galaxy or universe or do you think we Humans are the only intelligent life in all of creation? These are questions that we as a species, man-kind, have asked since as far as our recorded history goes back. Even Ancient man, with no knowledge of modern science or modern understanding of what "Space" was, would look to the night sky at the twinkling stars and wonder...."Are we truly alone?".

Honestly, I've always thought aliens existed. Whether or not they've actually visited this planet at any point in it's history I don't know and I don't think anyone can truly say one way or the other and have definitive proof. Of course there is probably just as much "proof" that aliens don't exist as there is that they do, but, at least we are now discovering for a Fact that there is or was "some form" of life in the universe outside of the planet Earth. We know from microscopic fossils in martian rocks that at one point millions of years ago there was at the very least Single Celled life on Mars. We found this out back in the late 90's. Didn't hear about it? That's not surprising since I only found out about it because of a 10 second mention on ABC's "World News Tonight" back in 96-97. Today how-ever you can research this for your-self as many papers and articles have been published on the subject. A quick Google Search will lead you to many results such as these:

Meteorite Yields Evidence of Primitive Life on Early Mars Source: www.solarviews.com Article from 1997

Fossil Life in Martian Rock Found in Antarctica ? Source:  http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/Marsrock/marsrocks.html Article from 1996

Proof of Life in Three Martian Rocks May Come This Year Source: www.popsci.com Article from 2010

This is enough in my eyes to call it "Definitive Proof", they're just waiting on the specific results so they can say it's a fact without a shadow of a doubt, and I respect them for waiting and taking it slow and doing the science the right way. A claim such as this can't be rushed no matter how apparent the results of any "proof" might be.

While I do believe in intelligent life outside of this planet, I'm still a skeptic. I mostly believe in what I can see with my own eyes. What I can feel with my own two hands. I think it's important for anyone doing any Serious research into the matter to be a skeptic and to try to dis-prove or debunk as many fakes as possible. With our advances in computers and video editing and special effects it's easier than ever for the nut-jobs and conspiracy wackos out there to make convincing "proof" on their own and it's people like those that bring a bad ilk to any Serious research into the matter. Sadly there are a lot of fakers and crazy people out there working in both directions of the debate. There are people who make fake videos of UFO's and try to pass them off as real and there are various groups and religious zealots who try to prove that Everything is fake and say that None Of It is real and anyone who believes there is intelligent non-human life in the universe is a moron or a liar.

Worse yet there are many people out there who are terrified of the idea that aliens may exist. Some people are so closed minded that no matter what scientific advances we may make or what we may learn about the universe and life its-self, they will Never believe that alien life exists even if aliens were to land on the White-House lawn and announce to the world that they are real and that they are here. Even if that did happen (which of course it hasn't) there would be a certain percentage of the world's population that would say it was faked, even if the proof was pointing a particle cannon at their head.

I'm about to tell a story I've never told publicly before. I've never told it honestly because I'm a little afraid of what it may make people think in regards to my sanity. If you choose to believe it, that's great. If you choose not to believe it, that's great too. One thing I do know for sure, I know what I saw...

Note: Before I get into the story, keep in mind that I was a kid. I was 13 or 14 years old. I had never done any drugs, didn't smoke cigs, didn't drink, and I wasn't a wild kid with a crazy imagination. I never had an "imaginary friend" at any point and even when I did grow up and start "partying" I've never had a hallucination nor have I ever saw something that I wasn't completely sure was right in front of me (magic tricks aside).

It was the summer of the year that my family moved from Deland in Volusia County out to Lake Mack in Lake County, Florida. I had to go to summer school that year to make up a failing English grade in 7th grade English (long story but basically I got screwed out of the grade I should have received). Because there weren't that many kids in my area going to summer school that year all of us in the neighborhood had to meet down at the corner store which was the only bus-stop for summer school that year. School started at 7 A.M. and was all the way in Leesburg (almost an hour from my house). We kids had to be at the bus-stop at 5:30 A.M. because it was a very long ride all the way to Leesburg from where we were in Lake Mack and there were other students to stop and pick up along the way. I was walking to the bus-stop down a long winding road. It was a normal paved road and there were houses and trailers all over the place. Even though the road was deserted because it was so early in the morning it was still a populated and crowded neighborhood. As I was rounding the bends I noticed all the tall pine trees were swaying back and forth pretty hard like there was about to be a storm, but oddly enough I couldn't feel any wind. I'm not going to say there wasn't any wind, there very well could have been and the currents were too high off the ground for me to feel the wind, but, I didn't actually feel any wind.

I was looking up at the tops of the pine trees when a very Large Triangle came out over the trees. At first I thought it was a helicopter and maybe I was seeing the lights on the ends of the rotors but then two things hit me. First, I couldn't hear Any noise. None what-so-ever. Second, if the lights I saw were on the ends of the rotors they would have been spinning very fast and not been stationary. They were also way too far apart to be rotor blades. The object was at least 3 times as high up as the trees, maybe 4 times as high, and it...was....Massive. I'm talking like the size of a Boeing 747, Massive. I quickly realized there was no way in hell that it was a helicopter. There were no flashing lights on it. They were on steadily. There were four lights in total. One larger light in the center and three more slightly smaller lights, one at each tip of the Triangle. I had seen plenty of helicopters up close, even military ones as I've lived close to Deland Airport for most of my time in Deland and seen plenty of air shows and air planes and helicopters first hand. I've seen both the Apache and the smaller Cobra Attack Chopper that it shares it's design with. It's also of note that out in Lake Mack in Lake County we were technically on the out-skirts of the Ocala National Forrest. The army had a bombing range on the far edge of the forrest and at least 3 or 4 times a year you could hear the bombs being dropped and all you had to do was go outside when the planes or helicopters were flying over-head to see what vehicles were doing the bombing. Lake Mack was right underneath their flight path for a long time even though the bombing range its-self was a good 60 or 70 miles away.

Anyway, when I realized just what it was I was looking at....well, I'm not ashamed to admit I got scared and started running for the bus-stop. I didn't look back and I didn't slow down. When I finally got to the point where I could see the store and see the other kids through the darkness standing under the street light at the store I stopped running. I didn't want the other kids thinking I was too scared to walk to the bus-stop in the dark, which I wasn't. I've never been afraid of the dark, not even as a small child. At that point when I stopped running I took the time to look behind me. Not surprisingly I didn't see anything. Nothing. No ship, no Triangle, no wind, and the trees were as still as could be since there was no wind.

I'm not gonna say I know for sure that it was aliens. I don't and to surmise that with no further evidence would be kinda stupid in my eyes. What I do know is that I have no idea what it was and it WASN'T a conventional aircraft. I honestly don't know what It was, but I do know I have Never seen Anything like It nor have I since. That one experience has led me to believe in intelligent life outside of this planet. I can't say it Was aliens. I can say I Think it was, because I have no other explanation for it.

So.....what do YOU believe? Do YOU think we're alone in the universe? Or do YOU think there is far more out there then we could ever dream is possible?

 

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Reply #601 Top

Quoting Fuzzy, reply 600

That's what religious zealots do, they turn every topic into being about them and their religion.
End of Fuzzy's quote

 

Science zealots do the same, I present this thread as evidence.

 

:vulcan:

 

 

Reply #602 Top

Stop bitching or I'll wake up and you all will cease to exist. :P Everybody with some sense knows it's always a matter of (reducing it to two parts) "Those Who Believe In Something" vs "Those Who Believe In Something Else".

Reply #604 Top

"Those Who Believe In Something" vs "Those Who Believe In Something Else".
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Actually, I belong to a third group!  The Fraternity of the Tongue in Cheek.

When things get too serious between the 'I Believe in Something' and the 'I Believe in Something Elses', I plant my tongue firmly in my cheek and sprout forth a load of old waffle to help take the chill out of the air.  The trouble with that is that the 'I believe in Something' and the 'I believe in something Elses' are so hell bent on proving themselves right that they miss the meaning of life and what's going on right under their very noses.

Sad, that!!! :S

Reply #605 Top

Quoting MichaelCook, reply 601

Quoting Fuzzy Logic,
reply 600

That's what religious zealots do, they turn every topic into being about them and their religion. 

Science zealots do the same, I present this thread as evidence.
End of MichaelCook's quote

'Science zealot' is a bit of a contradiction.  If we take 'zealot' to be 'a fanatic who does not tolerate opposing views', this tends to violate the primary tennets of science.  You know...the one where EVERYTHING is true until proven false, and NOTHING is sacred.  Closed minds are unable to contemplate the possibility of being wrong.  This is contrary to scientific method.

Enough of this issue...

Back to the question...

I tend to think intelligent, extraterrestrial life exists, but doubt it has ever visited this planet.  It is possible, but I want incontrovertable evidence.  Not moving lights in the sky and other crap.  Give me a space ship landing in the middle of a city with obviously non-human life doing the 'take me to your leader' thing.  However, if we do get that evidence, then I would look at previously weak occurances for clandestine activity.  But, not until then.

Chris

Reply #606 Top

Amen to DocCBM  er,,, well, I mean..  I think Chris has expressed his viewpoint very well.  And I agree with him.  Plus one karma - for a attempting to rescue the thread.

Reply #607 Top

Quoting BrotherBulger, reply 576
 



According the Sumerian cuneiform tablets, the Annunaki (those who from Heaven to Earth came) genetically created our species through Genetic Manipulation as slave labor to mine Gold for their homeworld's (Nibiru) dwindling atmosphere.Also, according to ancient Vedic scriptures there are up to 10,000 inhabited planetary systems, called Devas, in the Milky Way Galaxy alone.Due to their advanced technology, the Annunaki were seen as Gods by the newly created Homo Sapiens.


End of BrotherBulger's quote
The species were not created to harvest gold? In reality it was said they were created to harvest food and nutrients to sustain themselves.The Annunaki didn't create the beings for slave labour. I read somewhere else, I believe from the author of the Annunaki that they, the beings that created the species decided to live amongst the beings they created, but never treated them as slave labor. But yeah I guess you could try and say what you said, and try to get away with it.

Reply #608 Top

"Beam me up, Scotty.... there's a Ferengi dissident in the Dag Star Nebula who needs bringing to justice.  Apparently, he somehow got George W Bush voted to the Federation overseer's job so he could carry on his corrupt dealings under our very noses with impunity."

"Aye, aye Capt'n, I'll have ye up here in a jiffy and we'll blast that alien, snot sucking, scum with a proton torpedo and blast his rectum to kingdom come."

"Spock here, Captain, then perhaps we should set course for Earth and show those strange creatures on Stardock forums there IS such a thing as aliens."

:grin:

Reply #609 Top

Quoting DocCBM, reply 605

'Science zealot' is a bit of a contradiction.  If we take 'zealot' to be 'a fanatic who does not tolerate opposing views', this tends to violate the primary tennets of science.  You know...the one where EVERYTHING is true until proven false, and NOTHING is sacred.  Closed minds are unable to contemplate the possibility of being wrong.  This is contrary to scientific method.
End of DocCBM's quote

 

The world of science is full of ego's with theories, butting heads with other ego's theories. The term "scientific method" is an ideal state of mind, not always reality.

 

Watch this documentary on aliens, its bizarre and excellent:

 

My Mum Talks to Aliens

Reply #610 Top

8C

 

;)

Reply #611 Top

"Hey Bunny, the is the captain of the Klingon fleet, are you receiving me, are you receiving me?"

:-"

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Loud and clear Major Tom. Ooops. What a petackk!  I mean affimative Cap'n.  And would you be intersted in some rabbits. They'll be no

Tribble at all. ;)

Reply #613 Top

 From what I've studied, when the Annunaki first came to our planet, they numbered at about fifty. They (being technologically advanced Sentient beings, they quickly tired of farming and raising their own food) decided to create a Race of Primative Workers to take over the manuel work which included agriculture and mining, while the Annunaki became what I can only describe as more-or-less Hedonists.

Also,in my previous post, I said that our Race was created as a  subservient Race of workers because,well I can't logically explain the Prehistoric gold mines in Southern Africa when science tells us that the people didn't even have metal tools with which to dig.

Reply #614 Top

The ending of the remade Battlestar Galactica series nailed it. :grin:

Reply #615 Top

Quoting kyogre12, reply 587

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by changing over time. If, for example, the planet you are in orbit around is changing in mass (although I have no idea why that would be happening) or you are moving farther away or closer to the planet, the effects you feel from gravity will change.

Gravity is caused by the bending of spacetime (basically) due to a mass. The simple model most people use to describe it is that it is like you put a bowling ball on a big rubber sheet. It creates an indentation that "attracts" other balls (planets, asteroids, whatever). Obviously that is very simplified (try imagining the same thing in three dimensions ) but it is a good visualization to get you started.

Quantum mechanics, while they do apply to everything, only really make their effects known on tiny, tiny scales (atoms and smaller). As you get bigger and more complex things (molecules, collections of molecules, etc) quatum mechanics becomes less apparent, although there are a couple exceptions. They larger the system you're dealing with, the less likely "weird" things will happen (like walking through a wall). In order to walk through a wall, all of your atoms and all of the atoms in the wall have to line up just right. That's trillions and trillions of atoms that have to randomly happen to be in the right arrangement. Obviously, the odds of that happening are very, very, very low.

The laws of physics do for the most part explain the insides of black holes. Yes, not everything is explained (yet) but they are fairly well understood. Granted, the predictions cannot be proven (and probably never can be, given the nature of black holes) but as the current model of physics makes accurate predictions about everything else, the ones about black holes are probably correct.
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Thank you for the reply! Below is what I was trying to illustrate. After watching a show about light speed the other night I thought of bringing that into the discussion.

  • Why isn't gravity more or less strong today than it was yesterday? Why is it stable over time?
  • Why is lightspeed 186,000 miles per second in a vacuum? Why isn't it 10 miles per second or 1 million miles per second? Why was it 186,000 miles per second yesterday and why will it be 186,000 miles per second tomorrow?
  • In short, why is there stable order within these fundamental laws?

How does chaos, or randomness, spawn order without an exertion of some kind of will? Just thinking out loud.

Reply #616 Top

 Why is lightspeed 186,000 miles per second in a vacuum? Why isn't it 10 miles per second or 1 million miles per second? Why was it 186,000 miles per second yesterday and why will it be 186,000 miles per second tomorrow?
End of quote

Even if light traveled more slowly in a vacuum tomorrow, it would still travel at exactly 299,792,458 m/s. ;)

Reply #617 Top

Quoting AlLanMandragoran, reply 615

Why isn't gravity more or less strong today than it was yesterday? Why is it stable over time?
Why is lightspeed 186,000 miles per second in a vacuum? Why isn't it 10 miles per second or 1 million miles per second? Why was it 186,000 miles per second yesterday and why will it be 186,000 miles per second tomorrow?
In short, why is there stable order within these fundamental laws?

How does chaos, or randomness, spawn order without an exertion of some kind of will? Just thinking out loud.
End of AlLanMandragoran's quote

 

We don't actually know that the speed of light is constant, all we can say is that to the best of our testing it is constant. Given its extreme speed if it did fluctuate its speed due to another interacting force, the change produced could be too small to measure.

 

Given the current energy that can be used in a cyclotron today, compared with 20, 40 and 60 years age, who knows what we will discover tomorrow.

 

I know, UFO's..... In our toilets.....

Reply #618 Top

Quoting MichaelCook, reply 617
We don't actually know that the speed of light is constant, all we can say is that to the best of our testing it is constant. Given its extreme speed if it did fluctuate its speed due to another interacting force, the change produced could be too small to measure.

 

Given the current energy that can be used in a cyclotron today, compared with 20, 40 and 60 years age, who knows what we will discover tomorrow.

 

I know, UFO's..... In our toilets.....
End of MichaelCook's quote

Thanks, Michael. So I got off my ass and googled it. I looked at Wiki and a few other links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant

"There are a variety of interpretations of the constants' values, including a divine creator (the apparent fine-tuning is actual and intentional), or that ours is one universe of many in a multiverse (e.g. the Many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics), or even that a universe without the capacity for conscious beings cannot exist."

So what I find fascinating is this: we have observed and measured the constants, but have not yet explained the why. To me this is key, and to echo Istari's position, we are bound inside a Universe governed by a set of constants. It appears we don't know why the constants exist but because they do, we exist.

Is it posible that we are the equivalent of conscious ants observing and measuring the fundamental support structure of an ant farm that we did not create? If there is a Creator above and beyond our ant farm, how would we observe and measure something that which is by definition outside the boundaries of the ant farm? Would a conscious ant inside an ant farm have any way to observe and measure a jetliner flying at 30,000 feet?

I need to go smoke a bowl. However, if I had some, and I don't, I certainly wouldn't inhale. ;P

[edit] In efforts to stay on topic, aliens do exist. Star Trek is a true story, we are in Federation space, Shatner & Nimoy are here undercover violating the Prime Directive. Shatner may lose his Admiralty when the Federation finds out.

Reply #619 Top

Years ago we worshiped lightening, now that god cooks my toast while here I do post.

 

Quoting AlLanMandragoran, reply 618

Star Trek is a true story, we are in Federation space, Shatner & Nimoy are here undercover violating the Prime Directive. Shatner may lose his Admiralty when the Federation finds out.
End of AlLanMandragoran's quote

 

Have you watched that video link I posted above? The Prime Directive is as dead as the Dodo.

 

Check this out too......

 

62 children see an alien and are studied by a child psychologist.

Reply #620 Top

Quoting MichaelCook, reply 619

Have you watched that video link I posted above? The Prime Directive is as dead as the Dodo.
End of MichaelCook's quote

That Peter dude at the end who passed the polygraph and had the DNA analysis... interesting stuff.

Quoting MichaelCook, reply 619
62 children see an alien and are studied by a child psychologist.
End of MichaelCook's quote

The psychologist is an alien!

 

Reply #621 Top

I did a small bit of research into Peter and apparently that was not his first encounter.

 

See:

 

http://www.ufoesa.com/peter-khoury-experiences-1988.html

 

I would really like to see a better study done on the DNA, that experience of Peters happened in 1992, our DNA technology is so much better now.

 

I don't know what to believe but I am certain that there is too many strange things happening for it all to be false. That story of the 62 children, I strongly doubt that a total of 62 children could all lie so convincingly, I'm not sure if the clip I posted includes the talks with the teachers who the children ran to after the experience but they said they couldn't detect a lie, and with 62 children if it was such a far-fetched lie at least one of them would have given the game away. Also the child psychologist found no deception from the children.

 

Here is another interesting clip.

 

From the History Channels UFO Hunters show, never watched it before but its about an event I saw in another clip, I'm watching this clips take on it now. Multiple sources (Pilots of two planes, passengers and control tower via radar) all identifying a UFO that is BIG in size.

 

Reply #622 Top

Loud and clear Major Tom. Ooops. What a petackk! I mean affimative Cap'n.

And would you be intersted in some rabbits. They'll be no

Tribble at all.

End of quote

I'll take the rabbits only if they're ALL males or ALL females.... otherwise they'll breed like tribbles. ;)

And on the UFO/alien note, I hope Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum are available if they're hostile.

If not, I wanna be down in a bunker with Scarlett Johansen. :P

Reply #623 Top

No trials and tribbleations for the Cap'n,  :w00t:

 

Jeff Goldblum is an alien.  >_>

Reply #624 Top

And he talks funny too. :)

Reply #625 Top

No trials and tribbleations for the Cap'n,
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Aye, aye me lass. :thumbsup:

'Ere, I wunders if'n 'em 'aves pirates in space? :S

Jeff Goldblum is an alien.
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Ah, that explains his interest in the Jurassic Period and science fiction movies... he's here to learn how we evolved and what we've learned so far.

And he talks funny too.
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Yeah, I s'pose that's going to happen when you've got a forked tongue that you can lick your own eyebrows with.

I just hope no aliens reading this take offence at all... wouldn't want 'em to get pissed off and get out the death rays, would we?

:w00t: