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Why is it bad that the Fed is closing down illegal filesharing sites???

Why is it bad that the Fed is closing down illegal filesharing sites???

https://forums.elementalgame.com/386513

https://forums.elementalgame.com/386513

This astounds me.

 

This guy basically claimed that it is his *CONSTITUTIONAL* right to steal intellectual property from game developers. I know some people on this forum go absolutely apeshit on almost anything the government does but why is it in anyway bad that the american government is protecting honest businessowners from pirates? 

Oh and don't give me that First Amendment bullshit or "this is just the first step that will turn America into Nazi-Germany." Copying is not the same as practising your constitutional right to free speech. This has absolutely fuck all to do with The Government turning into an Orwellian nightmare.

 

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Reply #26 Top

Light star is out of touch. Entrepenure ship is the future of the country not keeping the traditions of old buisiness that need improving. -Jeremy Sr.

Huh?  Did you mean to say "LightStar is out of touch. Entrepreneurship is the future of this country, it is not keeping with the traditions of older businesses that need improving. - Jeremy Sr."?  Spelling correctly and using correct grammar to get your point across would help tremendously.  :)

Oh, and I am perfectly in tune with the concerns of this subject in today's world, and I have morals, which is something that is highly lacking in today's society. :'(

Reply #27 Top

Meanwhile, I CAN work hard and make a decent living, or I can work smart (with hardly any effort) and make a LOT more money.

 

So and why are you pointing your fingers at others then? You just proving my point.

 

Reply #28 Top

Quoting Tasunke, reply 25
You *are* aware that a LOT of people (most in fact) work very hard (myself not included) and only a small percentage have anywhere near a decent living.

Meanwhile I and a small percentage (world population wise) of others CAN work hard and make a decent living.

 

Anyways, there are other people that work hard all their lives and have hardly anything. Obviously I am not saying that people shouldn't work hard, but some people are able and willing to make a decent living through hard work yet don't have the opportunity due to randomized location of birth. Its more what family you are born into than where you are born, but both matter.

My point is if they are targeting 350,000,000 people in America with music and all of them had to pay 10$ a cd tradition would be be sightably ignorant! - Jeremy Sr.

Reply #29 Top

I would rather they make an alblum and try to sell it to 350,000,000 Americans for a dollar. -Jeremy Sr.

Reply #30 Top

Entrepenure ship is the future of the country not keeping the traditions of old buisiness that need improving.

It's English [barely], but for the life of me it's random quasi-related words strung together to form a sentence.

Reply #31 Top

Now look what y'all have done. There are so many of these .....:typo: :typo: :typo: :typo: :typo:   ,  poor Jafo :jafo:   doesn't  know where to start. :grin:

Reply #32 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 30
It's English [barely], but for the life of me it's random quasi-related words strung together to form a sentence.
Yeah, he's been doing that all over for the past few days. I'm not sure if I'm annoyed or amused. :p

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Reply #33 Top

I wonder whether he is using a translation program?   :|

Reply #34 Top

Quoting aufisch, reply 33
I wonder whether he is using a translation program?  

What, English to Gibberish?

Reply #35 Top

What, English to Gibberish?

Now, be nice....;)

 

I once had occasion to email someone in the USSR...so used Babelfish to translate it.....

Then I got curious...and re-translated it back to English.....

 

 

I can laugh about it ....

 

Now.

 

 

 

 

 

As I did then....;)

 

 

Reply #36 Top

Quoting Wizard1956, reply 34
What, English to Gibberish?

Well, you've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense.

Quoting Jafo, reply 35
Now, be nice.... ;)

I once had occasion to email someone in the USSR...so used Babelfish to translate it.....
Then I got curious...and re-translated it back to English.....

I can laugh about it ....

Now.

As I did then.... ;)

http://funnytranslator.com/translation/

:p

Reply #37 Top

Well, you've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense.

I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Reply #38 Top

Well, you've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense.

Luckman....I'm sorry but you REALLY NEED to find a better translator.

Seriously.

Reply #39 Top

   I am starting a huge site with every poem, propaganda and concept I have by christmas but I need to get it to have posts and my cousin is reseaching it for me.   I hope we get it up by then.   I expect you will see it by searching "MAXIMUM POTENTIAL" that's my bands name. -Jeremy Sr.

Reply #40 Top

Quoting aufisch, reply 27

Meanwhile, I CAN work hard and make a decent living, or I can work smart (with hardly any effort) and make a LOT more money.
 

So and why are you pointing your fingers at others then? You just proving my point.

 

 

because its where you were born that matters for ... like 75% of your economic potential. And I don't just mean what country you were born into either.

Family, Race, Gender, Part of Town, Part of Country, Country ... it all matters.

Reply #41 Top

People all over the world try to use english so that they can communicate with other people here, about Elemental and other themes.

And those who natively speak english can't even try to understand them without making fun. And much less try to communicate in other languages (although in this case that's right, because this is an english forum).

So... Only people with good english skills should be allowed to participate in this forum?

 

Back on topic. I can't buy a Ferrari but that shouldn't entitle me to steal one. There's no justification to piracy, only excuses. If you think the deal is unfair (buggy game, intrusive DRM, outrageous prices, etc), just don't buy it.

Now, not all piracy is stealing. For example, when you buy a book, you're allowed to sell it. You can even lend it to your friends. And you can read it anywhere. With DRM'ed ebooks, you pay the same, but you can't sell, lend and you can only use it in a registered ereader or computer. This is a grey area. Some people buy the ebook and remove the DRM.

Piracy isn't exactly stealing, because the "victim" doesn't loose the item. And can't claim that a copied game, for example, is a lost sale. It's wrong, but shouldn't be in the same category as theft.

Reply #42 Top

And those who natively speak english can't even try to understand them without making fun. And much less try to communicate in other languages (although in this case that's right, because this is an english forum).

So... Only people with good english skills should be allowed to participate in this forum?

Except English is his native language. That's why everyone is making fun.

Reply #43 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 6
If they were enforcing law without being preferential, I'd be happy.  What you have in western countries is a rapidly expanding power base in copyright and patent based industries.  The big companies have had our politicians bought and paid for for decades now, so they've been steadily expanding "rights" over time.  The original intent was to reward someone for an idea by giving them exclusive control long enough to reach market saturation.  This was when it could take ten years to get your book published and shipped out to the various population centers.  Now, in an age where the time from initial publication to market saturation would take a few months instead, copyrights outlive their authors.

 

Then there are all the obvious examples of insanity, like whenever Marvel decides to take someone to court over a so called infringement.  IP laws are used as a weapon to destroy competition more often than not.  The utterly inane practice of end user licensing agreements, inarguable in their paradoxical status as a supposedly legal means of altering a sale contract without prior notification.  Anyone honest(actually honest, not just a nice guy) will admit it's a royally fucked situation with the DMCA being in direct violation of the basic contract laws they tacked it onto.  Not that voiding contracts seems to bother anyone in DC...

 

While it's wrong to avoid purchasing things by using them for free, the system has been butchered by the publishing titans to the point where I just can't feel any sympathy for them.  It's a twisted world, but there's justice in Sony losing sales when they pull shit like installing a rootkit on their customers computers.  I'm all for voting with your wallet, but when Uncle is helping them fuck you over, it's a losing battle thanks to the apathetic masses that are just too stupid to elect something besides a lawyer.

 

I feel a little bad for pirated companies that aren't actively trying to give their own customers the finger, but then I bought both Gal Civ games and their expansions because they aren't, and not because I found the first one terribly interesting.  I'm not particularly bothered even there though, the existence of a perpetually expanding copyright market proves beyond a doubt that it's still profitable.  If it were to, of all things, actually shrink in response, I might get to the point where I'd start thinking one sided enforcement was something besides a really bad idea.  Currently I'd rather wait and hope all the assholes buying up lawmakers go out of business first.

 

I figure that will happen shortly after we wise up and kill all the lawyers off, which wont happen till hell freezes over, but wishful thinking is always nice as long as you recognize you're deluding yourself.

 

+1000

You got it man...

 

 

Reply #44 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 10

Some people depend on the meager income they make from selling their work in order live, and people who illegally post copyrighted material on other sites in my opinion are lower than than lowest life form on this planet.  They are the scum of the Earth, and I hope they rot in hell!
 

Wonderful, now how about the guy with the rootkit CD's he can't transfer to his computer without cleaning the crap back out of the OS afterwards?  Then there's the ones that just don't work on a lot of drives.  All of my music is on my computer, all of the music on my computer came off a physical CD I popped into the drive to put it there.  It's a rare event when I actually use a CD.  If I were less observant of my surroundings, and slightly more into modern rock and classic, I could have a bit of a problem accomplishing that feat.

 

Sob stories, no matter how real and how frequent, don't make the state of things anything but fucked on both sides of the equation.

 


I am desperately trying to find a reason as to why this thread was needed, instead of posting in the previous, dedicated thread.
 

This is a joke, right?  Neither thread actually serves anything but a momentary distraction.

 

This is definitely only a momentary distraction, because arguing on the net is like winning on the paralympics...

 

And just to add to your reply, where's the part where I and all others whose computer was filled with the shitty rootkit DRM, get to sue the crap out of them, for damages and lost time among other things? And don't tell me they did had the blessings of Microsoft? If anything else, Microsoft would have its own crappy technology to do something that sinister, no? Why didn't Microsoft sue them, for reverse engineering and tampering? When is our elected government going to protect us from them?? guess what m8, ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN :grin:

 

You know all those corporate and government heads are just laughing at us right now, on their way to the bank with our money, this is just a witch hunt with them leading the hunt. Just wait and see, in time, sites like btjunkie will be labeled "terrorists", Richard Stallman will become the new Bin Laden, and piracy & Open Source software will be considered the reason for the new economic recession... :annoyed:

 

Enjoy!

Reply #45 Top

https://forums.elementalgame.com/386513

This astounds me.

 

This guy basically claimed that it is his *CONSTITUTIONAL* right to steal intellectual property from game developers. I know some people on this forum go absolutely apeshit on almost anything the government does but why is it in anyway bad that the american government is protecting honest businessowners from pirates? 

Oh and don't give me that First Amendment bullshit or "this is just the first step that will turn America into Nazi-Germany." Copying is not the same as practising your constitutional right to free speech. This has absolutely fuck all to do with The Government turning into an Orwellian nightmare.

 

LoL What? Show me ONE SENTENCE where I say "It's My Right To Steal" ?!?!?! *sigh* Again, I was Not Defending Piracy...Nor would I think I have a *right* to steal anything from anyone, period.

What I think is bad is that in some instances they are closing down the wrong sites and going after the wrong people. Perhaps you should go back and read the Whole Thread instead of starting yet another thread on the same topic? Hmm?

Reply #46 Top

Quoting Raven, reply 45

quoting posthttps://forums.elementalgame.com/386513

This astounds me.

 

This guy basically claimed that it is his *CONSTITUTIONAL* right to steal intellectual property from game developers. I know some people on this forum go absolutely apeshit on almost anything the government does but why is it in anyway bad that the american government is protecting honest businessowners from pirates? 

Oh and don't give me that First Amendment bullshit or "this is just the first step that will turn America into Nazi-Germany." Copying is not the same as practising your constitutional right to free speech. This has absolutely fuck all to do with The Government turning into an Orwellian nightmare.

 

LoL What? Show me ONE SENTENCE where I say "It's My Right To Steal" ?!?!?! *sigh* Again, I was Not Defending Piracy...Nor would I think I have a *right* to steal anything from anyone, period.

What I think is bad is that in some instances they are closing down the wrong sites and going after the wrong people. Perhaps you should go back and read the Whole Thread instead of starting yet another thread on the same topic? Hmm?

Of course they are closing down the wrong sites and they go after the wrong people. You think they have a plan? That someone is guiding their actions? This is the government exercising strength, and steamrolling everything in sight, the best you can do is hide in a corner, and hope they don't get you, being innocent or guilty is irrelevant.

Reply #47 Top

Poverty is a joke of a word that doesn't really describe anything resembling what it actually is.  If you have more than your basic needs, and no, a $200k house isn't basic, basic shelter would be a one room hut with no glass in the windows, you're above what real poverty is.  Redefining it every few years to put more filthy stinking rich people that have enough money to eat fast food and watch tv all evening does not make their situation any worse.

 

The homeless in the US eat and live better than the middle class in Haiti.  Sure, you have to work hard to do something besides live off the government here, but don't get too excited about how many people are "below poverty" right now.  It's a joke of a term.

 

Zazimire, educate thyself just slightly on the costs entailed in getting products to retail.  A buck a CD wouldn't even pay for the shipping and storage costs of the album while it works through the distribution system, forget the creation of the product in the first place.  Downloading an entire album off a server, maybe, and they'd have to sell a shitload of albums at a buck a piece just to get a five member rock band into the middle class without a dime going towards corporate profits.

 

Expecting something to be so cheap at retail is ludicrous, even with the higher volume, they'd never recoup it.  It's not like a can of beans, where millions of them are consumed daily.  Media wouldn't fly off the shelf that fast even if it was free, and volume is how you run lower costs per item.  It's a relatively low volume, less than definite seller that sits on shelves for weeks and months, that space is taking away from more beans that sell faster and pay the wages and maintenance of the outlet.

Reply #48 Top

Why is it bad that the Fed is closing down illegal filesharing sites???

Because it is another step closer to becoming a totalitarian state/society...run by politicians in the pockets of big business.  When it makes various laws to be upheld it's one thing, but when government becomes law enforcement, not to mention judge, jury and executioner as well, then it's time to be afraid... very afraid.   Most of us are too young to remember Hitler's Germany, or Stalin's Russia, both were totalitarian states, but the history books tell us that we don't want to revisit those times. 

Furthermore, the pursuance of copyright infringement is the right and responsibility of the copyright holder, in the civil courts.... not government, using public resources at taxpayers expense.  It wouldn't be so bad if they were actually going after the counterfeiters who were profiting from pirated IP, but they're not... well not as actively as they could/should be.  No, they're going after grannies whose grandkids (unbeknown to them) downloaded a few illegal songs on nanna's computer... and when the stress of it all kills granny, go after the 8 y/o Justin Beiber loving granddaughter.

The big companies have had our politicians bought and paid for for decades now, so they've been steadily expanding "rights" over time.

And now most of them are using those rights as weapons.  When sales are down they cry "pirate" instead of looking at what's wrong with their own business practices.... and inevitably prices go up for paying customers.  The thing is, are those so-called losses the result of piracy or bad management?  A survey conducted by Torrentfreak or some such site a few years back suggested that more than 97% of respondants would never have purchased the movie/music had they not been able to download it via torrent, so it would seem to me that the losses are fabrications purely to evoke public and or government sympathy.

While it's wrong to avoid purchasing things by using them for free, the system has been butchered by the publishing titans to the point where I just can't feel any sympathy for them.

I stopped feeling sympathy for publishing titans and retail giants when they stopped giving a rat's arse about their customers some years ago... if they ever did, that is.  These days it's more and more: "What about us/me?"  Nah, I won't give a stuff until they start asking; "What about our customers?"...and mean it.

Reply #49 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 47
Poverty is a joke of a word that doesn't really describe anything resembling what it actually is.  If you have more than your basic needs, and no, a $200k house isn't basic, basic shelter would be a one room hut with no glass in the windows, you're above what real poverty is.  Redefining it every few years to put more filthy stinking rich people that have enough money to eat fast food and watch tv all evening does not make their situation any worse.

 

The homeless in the US eat and live better than the middle class in Haiti.  Sure, you have to work hard to do something besides live off the government here, but don't get too excited about how many people are "below poverty" right now.  It's a joke of a term.

Can't believe it but I agree with psychoak.

Reply #50 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 48

Why is it bad that the Fed is closing down illegal filesharing sites???

Because it is another step closer to becoming a totalitarian state/society...run by politicians in the pockets of big business.  When it makes various laws to be upheld it's one thing, but when government becomes law enforcement, not to mention judge, jury and executioner as well, then it's time to be afraid... very afraid.   Most of us are too young to remember Hitler's Germany, or Stalin's Russia, both were totalitarian states, but the history books tell us that we don't want to revisit those times. 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes obviously stopping people from stealing IP that belongs to someone else is one step removed from rounding up all the Jews and gassing them.