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The State of The States

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Well I know that I'm probably opening a can of worms here but I can't help myself.
 
What do you all think about The Health Care Bill?
 
Personally I think it doesn't go far enough. I wanted Universal Health Care. I think keeping the insurance companies in control is bad. The insurance companies should be placed under direct control of the government/people so that this thing is NOT profit motivated. Make no mistake that this system is still profit driven.
 
What about the death threats to the Dem Congressmen and Women? Put those wacko "Tea Party" people in jail I say. Those Glenn Beck/Fox/Sarah Palin zombies need to be dealt with harshly. I am saying the ones making death threats and throwing bricks through windows and such.
 
How about all those men making judgments about abortions? Hey I got a good idea: Let's let the women decide. I can't remember the last time I got pregnant. The bill removed the government funding for abortion anyway so why do those Glenn Beck/Fox/Sarah Palin people keep talking/bitching about it?
 
Here's another idea: Let's get the hell out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Those money pits sure don't help the so called debt now do they? Far as I can see Bin Laden is holed up in Pakistan so why the hell are we still in the wrong countries? Perhaps the cost of the health care bill could be covered by the money we are now spending killing people in the wrong places.
 
One final plea: Put Bush, Cheney and Rove in jail for the crimes they committed in the 8 years they were in office.
 
Have a nice day. |-)
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Reply #251 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Mumblefratz, I did what I said I did, except you need to add one step... after going to your member page, click "Wincustomize Site" above the avatar.

Then you will see this...

 

 

 

Reply #252 from JoeUser Forums Top

Mumblefratz, I did what I said I did, except you need to add one step... after going to your member page, click "Wincustomize Site" above the avatar.

Please allow time for MF to actually learn something.  He is ED.

 

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Reply #253 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting narbytrout, reply 251
Mumblefratz, I did what I said I did, except you need to add one step... after going to your member page, click "Wincustomize Site" above the avatar. 
Finally. Thanks.

As I had mentioned:

Quoting Mumblefratz, reply 248
... the links that are accessible from your profile page are different based on which of Stardock's 12 or more forum sites you're accessing these forums from.

So the question is from which site did you access my member page that you were able to see my motto? 
The key information I needed was what site you're accessing this from since as I mentioned the links on anyone's profile page are different on different sites. Until you told me you are on wincustomize I have no way of guessing which of Stardock's 12 different forum sites you are "on".

In effect you don't have a single profile page you have 12 different profile pages. Most people don't realize this and usually *assume* that people are on the site that they are on. However unless you say something that indicates your site of orgin there is no way anyone can guess.

In the future keep this in mind as your site of origin can make substantial difference. For example some asshole calling you ED because you couldn't find the link that didn't exist on any of the sites that you happened to check.

For future reference these are Stardock's different forum sites.

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/
https://forums.elementalgame.com/
https://forums.galciv2.com/
http://forums.impulsedriven.com/
https://forums.joeuser.com/
https://forums.politicalmachine.com/
https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/
https://forums.stardock.com/
http://tgnforums.stardock.com/
http://forums.vistathemes.com/
https://forums.wincustomize.com/
http://forums.xpthemes.com/

Reply #254 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

If you guys are serious about a socialized healthcare system then improving the overall American quality of health and life should be your top priority.  Such systems can get by in Europe because they don't live unhealthy lifestyles on par as we do.

-An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Reply #255 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Quoting RogueCaptain, reply 254
Such systems can get by in Europe because they don't live unhealthy lifestyles on par as we do.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Who is serious?  Not me.

Reply #256 from JoeUser Forums Top

Our lifestyles in the United States are ridiculously unhealthy. 

There's a great new show called Food Revolution that outlines how lazy our habits are when it comes to eating.

When Europeans talk about universal healthcare, they are making cultural assumptions that don't apply here.  

Europe doesn't have universal healthcare. Individual countries in Europe have it.  This is a very big difference and one often ignored in these debates.  I haven't seen any proposals for a standardized EU health plan (for instance).  I don't see a scenario where the citizens of France are going to be willing to fork over the increased taxes to provide the kind of healthcare they have to the people in Bulgaria.

Let me put it in perspective, the standard of living in terms of GDP per person in say the Netherlands is around $30k annually give or take. Romania's is $9,100.  I haven't heard of any serious proposals in the EU to do something about this. Yet, I regularly will see righteous indignation if Americans oppose a federally mandated healthcare system.

If any state in the US wants to try it (like Massachusetts has) then that's fine. There's nothing stopping a state from doing that just like France, UK, Germany, etc. have set up their own different systems that meet their needs. 

But when the federal government of 300+ million people tries to implement blanket policies for the whole country, you get into some really serious problems.

 

Reply #257 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Frogboy, reply 256
Our lifestyles in the United States are ridiculously unhealthy. 

There's a great new show called Food Revolution that outlines how lazy our habits are when it comes to eating.

When Europeans talk about universal healthcare, they are making cultural assumptions that don't apply here.  

Europe doesn't have universal healthcare. Individual countries in Europe have it.  This is a very big difference and one often ignored in these debates.  I haven't seen any proposals for a standardized EU health plan (for instance).  I don't see a scenario where the citizens of France are going to be willing to fork over the increased taxes to provide the kind of healthcare they have to the people in Bulgaria.

Let me put it in perspective, the standard of living in terms of GDP per person in say the Netherlands is around $30k annually give or take. Romania's is $9,100.  I haven't heard of any serious proposals in the EU to do something about this. Yet, I regularly will see righteous indignation if Americans oppose a federally mandated healthcare system.

If any state in the US wants to try it (like Massachusetts has) then that's fine. There's nothing stopping a state from doing that just like France, UK, Germany, etc. have set up their own different systems that meet their needs. 

But when the federal government of 300+ million people tries to implement blanket policies for the whole country, you get into some really serious problems.

 

 

Germany has 100 million people (give or take) so its not farfetched to assume that a country with 300 million could do it too.  The problem is exactly as you're describing Brad.....each state thinks of itself as a country unto itself.  The problem in the US isn't the number of people OR the disparity of income level (which exists everywhere.....just ask a Turkish immigrant in Germany), it's the lack of unity of state of mind.  Plain and simple.

Up here in Canada we know all too well what happens when a province thinks it's better than all the rest........it can go live in FRANCE!   hehe  ;P

Reply #258 from JoeUser Forums Top

Such systems can get by in Europe because they don't live unhealthy lifestyles on par as we do.
The way that the French smoke and drink is hardly healthy. Without the fortuitous coincidence that red wine is good for you the French "lifestyle" wouldn't be noticeably "healthier" than that of the US.

Reply #259 from WinCustomize Forums Top

This is far too big of an issue to deal with assumptions. :S

Reply #260 from Stardock Forums Top

 

fine....poor choice of words......I'll change it to EXPECT then!  Since I do have have such an expectation.

By the way narby, way to show exactly what you're focused on when reading my posts.  Nothing in response but to pick apart my post and completely ignore my point.  Makes me wonder why I even bother coming here anymore...............pointless really.

Germany has 100 million people (give or take) so its not farfetched to expect (*changed to satisfy the grammar-nazi's around here*) that a country with 300 million could do it too.  The problem is exactly as you're describing Brad.....each state thinks of itself as a country unto itself.  The problem in the US isn't the number of people OR the disparity of income level (which exists everywhere.....just ask a Turkish immigrant in Germany), it's the lack of unity of state of mind.  Plain and simple.

Up here in Canada we know all too well what happens when a province thinks it's better than all the rest........it can go live in FRANCE!   hehe  ;P

Reply #261 from WinCustomize Forums Top

By the way narby, way to show exactly what you're focused on when reading my posts. Nothing in response but to pick apart my post and completely ignore my point. Makes me wonder why I even bother coming here anymore...............pointless really.

It's not about 'picking apart' your post... it's the whole idea of the assumption or expectation, that is making my point.

Germany has 100 million people (give or take) so its not farfetched to expect (*changed to satisfy the grammar-nazi's around here*) that a country with 300 million could do it too.

Both of which are groundless, for merely making an argument based on population count is ludacris

Then you argue against yourself...

The problem is exactly as you're describing Brad.....each state thinks of itself as a country unto itself. The problem in the US isn't the number of people OR the disparity of income level (which exists everywhere.....just ask a Turkish immigrant in Germany), it's the lack of unity of state of mind. Plain and simple.

Wha What? This country is NOT Canada or Germany or France or anything other than the U.S.A..  This country was not designed to be run like any other country.  Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are not just trivial 'oh, that sounds nice' sort of gibberish.  It was paid for in sweat and blood.  The details of those 3 ideas are far deeper than most people understand.  This country does not need to change in any way shape or form to appease the rest of the world from some silly political correctness booshwa. (sidenote... I had to look it up on google to see if I spelled 'booshwa' right, and I am not sure if I've ever read the word before, but merely heard it.) means B**LS**T... in french.

Up here in Canada

Is this more of another Canadian looking 'down their nose' at the U.S.?  Get over yourselves up there.  You Dudley Do-rights are no better.  Hell, Canada sits up there north of our border (with over 75% of it's population living within 100 miles of the U.S.) like an economic leech.

each state thinks of itself as a country unto itself.

Warning, SARCASM : Now due to my previous statement, since Canada and the U.S. are so interwoven... I think Canada should just join the U.S. and make 1 country out of 2, we'll call it Americanada.

 

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Reply #262 from Stardock Forums Top

 

:rofl:  ..... well kudos on the flag anyway!

Reply #263 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting the_Monk, reply 262
 

 ..... well kudos on the flag anyway!

Yes, that flag is top notch! ;)

Reply #264 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Quoting Mumblefratz, reply 258

Such systems can get by in Europe because they don't live unhealthy lifestyles on par as we do.The way that the French smoke and drink is hardly healthy. Without the fortuitous coincidence that red wine is good for you the French "lifestyle" wouldn't be noticeably "healthier" than that of the US.

It's all relative when doing comparisons.  I'm not saying that this is the pinnacle of health, just that our bar has fallen so abysmally low that a sick care system can't save us.  Of course, eating smaller portions at the dinner table and being more wary of GM crops wouldn't hurt.