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California upholds 1% tax on millionaires

California upholds 1% tax on millionaires

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2009/10/court-upholds-.html

I’d say this is a good call by the court even if I think the law itself to be foolish for California (talk about incenting people to leave).

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Reply #51 Top

JU is full of left wingers.
Yeah. Right. I think I met one once but it was a long time ago.

We just happen to have a community of sensible people to tear apart their stupid ill formed arguments.
Yeah. Right. You mean ignore, misconstrue and obfuscate.

Whatever.

Reply #52 Top

no that is not what I mean. You can apply logic correctly, or you can fall into fallacies. Although you still have no answered whether you consider all non democrats to be creationists and KKK members. Or do you accept that at least a sizable portion of us here are capable of arguing against the liberal holy grails without being nut jobs.

There ARE actual creationists in here who make strawman arguments about evolution... I don't think I should be grouped with them when I proclaim my opposition to communism; do you?

People can be right for the wrong reasons. And just because someone does something, doesn't implicate everyone else supporting that notion... EX: hitler opposed animal cruelty and was a vegetarian. Does that mean all vegetarians and people opposing animal cruelty are mass murderers? the answer is no; I would go so far as saying that those are unrelated.

Reply #53 Top

The silence is deafening.

What I do require is that if someone bothers to respond to me that they actually read what I say and respond to the point of my reply.

I didn't feel I had much to say in response to what I thought the point of your last reply was, hence my silence :p.

 

The average "liberal" forum instead simply bans and censors anyone who displays an ounce of integrity and intelligence. When you try to tear apart the argument of a leftist on a leftist forum, you are banned and your post deleted. When you try to tear apart the argument of a conservative here, you fail miserably because you have to have no grasp of logic or history to even be a liberal in the first place.

Well if you disagree with the wrong person on this forum you can get banned as well (although I'd agree that the tolerance level here in terms of whether a poster gets banned/deleted is better than quite a few other forums.

It is also quite possible to have a grasp of logic and history and be a liberal, and it certainly doesn't strengthen your argument to make such generalised negative comments.

Reply #54 Top

no that is not what I mean. You can apply logic correctly, or you can fall into fallacies. Although you still have no answered whether you consider all non democrats to be creationists and KKK members. Or do you accept that at least a sizable portion of us here are capable of arguing against the liberal holy grails without being nut jobs.
All I said was "rabid right wingnuts". I don't recall bringing in creationism or the KKK or anything else into the discussion. It was *you* that responded to a fragment of my reply that was not particularly germane to the point I was making and proceeded to argue against "my position" by using your *assumptions* of what a liberal believes.

This precisely proves my point.

It is also quite possible to have a grasp of logic and history and be a liberal, and it certainly doesn't strengthen your argument to make such generalised negative comments.
If a greater percentage of folks here really believed that then this would perhaps be a place worth hanging around. Regretably it isn't.

Generalizations are *always* going to be wrong but people will *always* make them because they do have predicitive value because while generalizations are always wrong in an individual sense they are fairly accurate in an aggregate sense.

In other words my applying conservative generalizations as to any one person's specific beliefs are just as wrong as someone applying liberal generalizations to my beliefs. There can and most certainly will be some correspondence but still they're as likely to be wrong as right. But I didn't do that. I didn't make assumptions about any one person's belief system. I did make assumptions about the site as an aggregate which are that anything that appears to be liberal will be vehemently opposed without exception and to me most importantly matters of personal opinion are often argued against as somehow "wrong" and I do believe these assumptions to be vaild.

When I say that I see no real evil in a state having a progressive tax then there exists no argument that anyone can make to say I'm wrong. You can disagree with my opinion but it is a valid opinion shared by many intelligent and well meaning people. But yet people here will in fact argue that I'm wrong. This to me is intolerable, and so I won't. But I'll check back on occasion, who knows perhaps prevailing attitudes will change someday.

Reply #55 Top

If a greater percentage of folks here really believed that then this would perhaps be a place worth hanging around. Regretably it isn't.

Glad you got everyones beliefs down, that said... nobody's twisting your arm.

Reply #56 Top

Well if you disagree with the wrong person on this forum you can get banned as well

No, you will not.

A habitual ass decided to rant about how gaming companies are parasites and evil and the like and how brad (CEO of stardock, the company that runs this forum) contributes nothing to society... on christmas day. He got banned; that was last christmas and the only banning I have witnessed.

There are tons of people here who disagree with brad all the time and they don't get banned for it. If you haven't noticed, this article was made BY the CEO of stardock.. all the people here who vehemently disagree with him and are insulting him and capitlism are still not banned. You have to be quite an extreme jerk to be banned around here.

All I said was "rabid right wingnuts". I don't recall bringing in creationism or the KKK or anything else into the discussion. It was *you* that responded to a fragment of my reply that was not particularly germane to the point I was making and proceeded to argue against "my position" by using your *assumptions* of what a liberal believes.

This is actually worse... because the alternative is that you consider anyone who opposes communism and despotism to be a "rabid wingnut". I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt. Way to go lowering my opinion of you even further.

Reply #57 Top

Blacklisting people for silly reasons is silly on to itself. In the years I have been on JU I have never blacklisted anyone just for having a difference of opinion with me, even when they got flat out insulting and ridiculous. If anything I have never balcklisted anyone at all. There are plenty of people here who use to blacklist for stupid reasons, Little-Whip being one of them. She loved having the ability to block people just to shut them up. Did it to me before. Brad blocked me once, only because I bugged him enough about it and he basically said to me "thats what you want". LOL.

Blacklisting just because you can to stop people from contradicting you is a cowards action in my opinion, you can't handle a discussion, you struggle to defend your point even if you might be right,  plain and simple. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of JU then. Bitching about how most here are Republicans or of that leaning is pretty idiotic considering you are stil here. Go cry to your mom about that.

This isn't Democratic Underground where they cancel your accounts for having a diffenece of opinion with their site. Freedom of Speech is not a Democrat concept. And in case you don't believe me, go to their site and read their site rules. Cowards if you ask me.

 

Reply #58 Top

No, you will not.

Yes, you will. Disagree with Brad and you risk getting banned (I can vaguely recall reading him saying something about the forum rules being you don't piss him off, and obviously if you disagree with him you're more likely to piss him off). He does tend to give you the courtesy of a warning first though.

Reply #59 Top

Just a short while ago (beginning of Oct), Brad had an ongoing exchange with some antagonist that created an account just to blast him on the FOX/UPS/Stardock dust up. This guy went on for days on end. If anything Brad was too accommodating. So I vehemently disagree that it is easy to get banned (perhaps SPAMmers).

Reply #60 Top

I vehemently disagree that it is easy to get banned

 

I vehemently disagree that you never get banned.

Reply #61 Top

I vehemently disagree that you never get banned

So you believe I will be banned? (double negative)

I know of one person to get permanently (loudly and publicly) get banned, she pushed it IMO, but I would say she had plenty of opportunity to move on. Would you invite someone into your home after they crapped on the living room floor twice in as many days? I somehow believe not, unless you and your cup are short one girl.

Reply #62 Top

So you believe I will be banned? (double negative)

Plural you, not singular. As in people/generally, not you personally.

Reply #63 Top

Yes, you will. Disagree with Brad and you risk getting banned (I can vaguely recall reading him saying something about the forum rules being you don't piss him off, and obviously if you disagree with him you're more likely to piss him off). He does tend to give you the courtesy of a warning first though.

Ok, I'll bite.

Give me five names of people who got banned because of difference of opinion with Brad.

 

Reply #64 Top

Although you still have no answered whether you consider all non democrats to be creationists and KKK members.

Yes, that's a weird thing.

The association game leads to strange results. It has happened to me several times. I write something about Israel or the Hebrew Bible and suddenly people are "surprised" that I read Dawkins. Many liberals make such snap judgements.

Now, can we address the real issue? _I_ need convincing that not all Democrats are KKK members. Any takers?

 

Reply #65 Top

Give me five names of people who got banned because of difference of opinion with Brad.

No. All I need is 1, and that's fairly easy - Little Whip had a big bust up with Brad a while ago, although I can't provide much evidence since all her posts were removed (Brad gave a post saying what he'd done and why though if you're sceptical - feel free to have a dig around for it if you want). Talt already gave another example from further back. Then you also have people who were warned to stop x or they'd be banned, and people who were banned without it being as public as the first two I mentioned.

Now you give me 100 people who had repeated differences of opinion with Brad and weren't banned or threatened with being banned.

Reply #66 Top

why don't we start with you aeortar. You are on a thread he himself has created (and thus is probably reading the comments of) and you are blasting him for silencing difference of opinion. And yet you weren't banned.

You are like those people who argue 9-11 was an inside job... the biggest proof it wasn't is that they are still alive.

Reply #67 Top

why don't we start with you aeortar. You are on a thread he himself has created (and thus is probably reading the comments of) and you are blasting him for silencing difference of opinion. And yet you weren't banned.

He hasn't posted for quite some time on this thread, so it is quite an assumption to make that he is both reading comments on it on a daily basis, and also has as poor a reading comprehension as you appear to.

Reply #68 Top

I comprehended what you asked for.

And you actually consider my example to be over "disagreeing with him"? that wasn't about a difference of opinion; if you can't tell that, then you have problems.

Reply #69 Top

and also has as poor a reading comprehension as you appear to.

Geez! A personal attack? The man does run a business. I seriously doubt reading blogs take priority. Quite the cheap shot I must say, dragging Brad into your argument. Go over to the Huffington Post and blast Arianna, see how long you last.

Reply #70 Top

No. All I need is 1, and that's fairly easy - Little Whip had a big bust up with Brad a while ago, although I can't provide much evidence since all her posts were removed

Oh, please. She attacked him personally. That was not a "difference of opinion" she was exiled for.

I know Little-Whip, I was one of her friends.

 

Reply #71 Top

Go over to the Huffington Post and blast Arianna, see how long you last.

Now there is an easily-done experiment to see who's right.

 

Reply #72 Top

I comprehended what you asked for.

Then you are deliberately seeking to misstate what I have said.

Geez! A personal attack? The man does run a business. I seriously doubt reading blogs take priority. Quite the cheap shot I must say, dragging Brad into your argument

Another idiot who can't read (that's you I'm talking about, not Brad - I'd better make that clear given the abysmal level of reading comprehension being displayed here)

Reply #73 Top

Another idiot who can't read (that's you I'm talking about, not Brad - I'd better make that clear given the abysmal level of reading comprehension being displayed here)

You've certainly highlighted your mental mightiness. Here's your quote I responded to:

He hasn't posted for quite some time on this thread, so it is quite an assumption to make that he is both reading comments on it on a daily basis, and also has as poor a reading comprehension as you appear to.

Sure sounds like you were referring to me, since any reasonable person can see I posted on the 24th  26th  (your comment above was on the 27th) and called you out on the 27th. Why don't you try being a man for once in your life, and admit you're full of shit or don't know what the hell you're writing about. Which is it?

Reply #74 Top

Sure sounds like you were referring to me, since any reasonable person can see I posted on the 24th  26th  (your comment above was on the 27th) and called you out on the 27th. Why don't you try being a man for once in your life, and admit you're full of shit or don't know what the hell you're writing about. Which is it?

Let's see:

Geez! A personal attack? The man does run a business. I seriously doubt reading blogs take priority. Quite the cheap shot I must say, dragging Brad into your argument

Make up your mind over who you think I was referring to because at the moment you're ending up arguing against yourself!

 

Anyway because you seem clearly incapable of understanding simple English I'll spell it out for you.

also has as poor a reading comprehension as you appear to.
- reply 67

This was directed at taltamir, which would be fairly obvious to most people seeing as I quoted him directly above where I made this comment. In case you're still scratching your head at what I was referring to, it was the comment by taltamir " you are blasting him [Brad] for silencing difference of opinion", which was a clear attempt to put false words into my mouth since I have not once "blasted" Brad here (afterall, I don't want to be banned ;) ). I have not expressed an opinion over the possibility of people being banned for disagreements, merely that they have happened.

Then you are deliberately seeking to misstate what I have said.
-reply 72

Again directed at taltamir - guess what, I quoted him just before my response to him! Since he has had the chance to re-read what he said (and what I said) and confirms he understood it, it means the likely outcome is that he deliberately sought to put false words in my mouth rather than it being accidental, hence why I said what I did.

Another idiot who can't read (that's you I'm talking about, not Brad
-reply 72

I quote you, and then I respond to you. I even take the time to let you know it's you I'm talking to! My comment here was because you for some bizarre reason seemed to be implying I was saying Brad had a poor reading comprehension with your " The man does run a business. I seriously doubt reading blogs take priority. Quite the cheap shot I must say, dragging Brad into your argument" comment (if you're still struggling to understand how I wasn't saying that, if someone says it would be quite an assumption to make that x is the case, it usually means they don't think that x is the case, and certainly doesn't mean that they're saying x is the case. On second thoughts maybe I shouldn't introduce algebra here, it will probably make things even harder for you). As for 'dragging Brad into the argument', again look back to see who mentions Brad first - that's right, scroll up the page, read a post by someone called taltamir, around number 56.

Yet, somehow, you seem to think that I am attacking Brad here...until you change your mind and think I'm attacking you (at least your change of heart indicates you read my comment that I was talking to you). Maybe you'll change your mind again and think these posts are all attacking Mumble...

Says a lot about you (plural this time) that you kick up this much fuss over a simple factual statement. Small wonder more subjective ideas+discussions have no chance here.

Reply #75 Top

Small wonder more subjective ideas+discussions have no chance here.

:rofl:  :rofl: :rofl:

Sure with rabid, self-important liberals such as yourself throwing around insults.