Why would we nerf an item that isn't imbalanced? That's the problem. We're tired of people crying wolf on things that work fine, and work as intended. If you don't like how YOUR style of gameplay doesn't pan out on cataract, play a different map, or change how YOU play.

Right, because every player in this game doesn't play against PUG's atm. All we covered in the other thread is ill conceived notions that people who play with random people have. I'm not going to drag THAT arguement into another thread. How about you and a friend come play me and char, and then you can deserve the right to talk down to me, little man.

Doesn't really mean anything. I don't decide who joins my games, they do. Go ahead and ask pacov how long I was waiting for a single opponent yesterday. Your twisted warped reality is quite astounding. You think because you play with randomers and have a low win rate you're good? Lol give me a F'ing break. Go get a partner and get 31 win streak in a week from now, with a random teamate. Or better yet, why don't you play us?

No, it doesn't work that way. The onus is on you to prove that there is something OP or undesirable about Flag Locks, to show that it ought to be changed (innocent until proven guilty). I have answered your arguments, so that onus remains as yet unfulfilled.

And yes, my playing would not be affected by a flag lock change very much. I oppose a change primarily on principle - caving to whiners is bad form. 

 

I believe the results of that thread were "premade teams are the only ones with room to talk." Pub stomp or not. 

 

Haha, here's the game before that:

thecubancigar

Obveron

Artemis1182

 

 

 Keep up the good work dude!

Ok, so you choose to dodge and take pot shots's at who ive played instead of manning up? That's fine. Clearly I'm the coward here for wanting to just get at least ONE game in after I got off an 11 hour shift.

What idiots like you don't realize is, 90% of people with good stats leave my games after they look me up. Is that my fault? I'd rather play the game against idiots, than not at all. Speaking of which, when we playing?

That's not the case at all.  I've stated over and over again that it's simply a matter of preference, I'm neither right nor wrong and there's no expectation that they're going to change the system.  I voiced my opinion, disagreed with you and some others a bit, and that's that.  Either a change will happen or it won't.  It probably won't and that's just the way it goes.

My approach to your disagreement has just been to point out that you don't really care either way so when the devs go through the decision making process and ask "how is this going to affect the game's popularity," that there's no real risk of it having a negative impact.  That being said, I agree that I have not conclusively answered other important questions like "is it a good idea," "is it worth the effort," etc.  Again, I don't expect real change, I was just giving my two cents.

People are whining for new DGs, more maps, automatching systems, and pretty much any positive change you can think of.  If you define just posting on the boards as whining and decree that no whines shall be caved to, then there's no way to ever improve the game.  The purpose of the forums becomes self defeating.

Like it or not other forms of gameplay exist and as I've pointed out with wicked's record there's no proof that pub stompers are required to play better or worse than random players.

Sorry buddy, but I don't care one bit about whether you think I've earned the right to talk down to you.  Fact is in both threads you were the instigator who insulted my skill level first, and you've used your record to justify doing so.

As I pointed out, your record is garbage, do I need to keep dredging up your game records?  Shall we go back another game?

emmo42

adubswils

bagofleaves

 

Look at that, one of the best teams you've ever fought it seems, right on man.

Coward?  You're the only one who's insane enough to tie up notions of bravery and manliness in this game, it has nothing to do with being a coward, it's about your shit talking and how I'm calling you out on thinking you're hot shit because you roll people who don't know each other and/or are learning how to play.

I'll play you if we're on, add me to friends and we'll figure something out.

As a player who uses Sedna often, I would really "prefer" it if Ooze dealt about 3 DPS and didn't reduce my attack speed. As can be seen, "preferences" are moot. The relevant term here is logicality. And its illogical to nerf an item that isn't OP.  

All those other examples are things that would be uncontroversially good for the game if implemented. Balance changes are not that way, which why most posts regarding balance are whines.  

We've been over this. Here's my bit from the other thread:

By the way the quoting system on this board sucks. 

Like it or not, no game should be balanced around nub play.

Fail. We don't use the record as justification. We use the fact we have team expereince at a higher level than you as the justification.

There is a right and wrong. Theres nothign wrong with flag caps except that teams let them happen.

Whining with true data and evidence is different than whining about somthing that works just fine. Don't connect dots that aren't related here buddy.

I insulted your bad logic which you seem to have alot of.

I've said myself that records mean nothing. You pointed nothing out to me other than hiding behind my good record as some excuse to talk down to me. The point I was making, is that even with a partner, I bet you still couldn't get a record like that, i'm saying you're that bad ;(.

Wow you went through all my games? You must be really stretching for some way to invalidate me. Even I don't know who i've fought

I never said I was hot shit, please find one post that shows that. I believe you're crap that doesn't validate any claims he makes. You can find lots of posts like that.

Good idea, let's rely on the obviously broken friends system that I havn't even had a chance to play with RobWild with.

Well I used to play with a friend before he moved to D.C. and we'll play more when he gets settled, but that's beside the point.  My point was that this guy twice called me a bad player without provocation and I'm calling him out.The game's balance isn't perfect.  Balance changes will be made and people on the boards will both support and oppose them.  HoL, priest/angle exp, and many more to come.  Those types of changes need to be made and dialogue on them is a good thing. 

Your perspective just seems very counterintuitive to me, beta testing is pretty much an industry standard, as is post-release support and balance tweaking, player feedback and game changes go hand in hand, for better or worse, and labeling that dialogue whining is pretty arbitrary of you.

I've played on both sides, with premades and without, and I guarantee you there's a wealth of experience that pub stompers would benefit from if they played more challenging games.

Insulting logic isn't the hallmark of a good debate, proving why it's bad is.  Your only angle of attack has been to call me a noob, which you could only have derived from my record since we've never met in game, which must have only seemed bad in contrast to your own.

How's that for logic?

p.s.

Psieye

Blackheart

mrmonchichi

Damn you edit posts more than anyone ive ever met. You're realllllllllly trying hard to save face aren't you. They need edit stamps.

In the same post, even.  Wow.

Seriously though - what does being good or not have to do with LIKING the fact that end game Cataract is all about flag locks?

This forum has the best edit stats I've ever seen, actually.  Click "view edits."

Not really. Insulting logic can be very eye opening to people who are spoon fed niceness by community. I find slapping people in the face much more effective. I've had my fair share in my life, you don't keep repeating stupidity when you're called out on it.

My only angle of attack hasn't been to call you noob, i've stated the reasons why your arguements don't hold water, and then you backup your posts with false leading-questions and assumptions which you find somehow justified. Theres very little you can do to get an idiot to wash his hands other than to put them under the faucet and do it yourself.

Or we could keep listening to you repeat the same statement over and over again and you think it's a great debate? Sorry, I don't like listening to the same fail repeatedly. If that hurts your feelings, what can I do about that?

 

What, was I supposed to post my phone number or something?  You go first!

Wow that is cool actually.

The post doesn't imply that im hot shit, just that I believe I have more expereince in what this game is all about, a true TEAM environment. Sorry we have to bring that up AGAIN.

What does it have to do? Do you honestly not SEE the problem with that?

It's not FACT. We're trying to say, if you think about it on a higher level, it's NOT about flag locks.

Aim: Jason Ding1e, Im ussualy on around 7-10 CST. I ussualy have time for one game if you let me know in advance.

Yes, you said that you should scout the entire map and that if you let someone cap it's your own fault.  I then disagreed that six seconds of gameplay should seal the conclusion to a 30 minute match regardless, and we haven't been on topic since.  If you posted some arguments you think I missed then feel free to take 30 seconds to copy/paste them and I'll address them directly.  Otherwise feel free to have the last word, as this thread's gotten cyclic and boring.

 

p.s. you know the routine:

 

Archimoldi

V1RULENT

tweeds420

Some people (the inexperienced, the new, etc) are just not qualified to give feedback. When they do so anyways, it can usually be categorized as whining. 

In terms of being knowledgeable about the game, premades who have played against other premades > Premades who only pubstomp > People who only pug. 

Honestly, I don't understand what people have against flag locks. In a close game locking the portal flag is the only way to stop the game from going on for over a hour. I know that the flags on Cataract are too easy to cap, but that's a map design flaw, and we shouldn't nerf an item just because one map is flawed. The best solution would be to add archer towers and perhaps forts to the side lanes on Cataract.

Strange, I thought the results of that thread were:

Must've missed that post. If I had seen it I would've replied: it doesn't matter if I or anyone else has played 1 or 100 close games. People that have played in only pug games are not qualified to give opinions regarding balance. Credibility is proportional to experience, and pugs have none of consequence. 

The reason we havn't been back on topic is because you keep re-editing posts instead of just making another one to support your next claim. Am I supposed to look back at every posts you've made? Discussions go forward, not backwards. Not to mention, i've said countless times, one flag lock, is not going to win the game. There is no reason your team should not be able to get a flag lock back that is that close to your health crystal. Without flag locks, its much harder to hold ground on an offensive, but just because they have your portal doesn't mean the game is wtf over.

We'll see if big man sets up a time for a game. I'd suggest 9:00 cst tomorrow. But I doubt you'd wanna do that.

And what dictates experience, hm? For me, you gain experience and get better at something through hard work, and in the specific case of this game through close and tough matches. None of those things are exclusive to premades.