People that play as a team with their friends and get high on the ladder are one thing.  A guy that can get placed with a random group of people and consistently win is far more skilled.  Some people will play the single player random team ladder for the challenge, and they will succeed in spite of their team mates.

Custom games do not offer this option because if you join solo you pretty much have to assume that at least a couple of the players in the game are on Vent or what not.  Further, custom games will not be ranked soon, as Frogboy has said, because they are too easy to exploit.

If you want to play as a team with your friends, what is so bad about having a separate ladder for that purpose?  I do that sometimes, and I would have no problem getting put on the "team ladder" when I do it.  Unless the only way you feel you can win is if you have the overwhelming advantage of playing with your buds, talking over vent, while the other team is made of up three guys who have never spoken to one another and some of whom probably don't even read.

Good points so far for sure. I dont think much of anyone is against have team premade groups...they just want them to be matched against the same thing. Not against randoms. 

Would be interesting to perhaps hear another comment from Brad on it in one of his upcoming updates. Obviously they must have some plans or else they wouldnt have the "Clans" section on the Pantheon leaderboards page.

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lolz Eternal i was jus laughing that you said by intergrating a organized system.. they would lose a huge playerbse.. it was funny.. made no sense.. is all you apparetnly changed ur tune  a little so = D.. and the guys who's been saying there should b 2 systems.. it wouldn't be a problem.. sure they could do it.. ..TEKKOR.. you aren't even playing yet bcuz there waiting for epoch 1.. after stat reset.. HEY TEKKOR>..THEY CANT EVEN REALEASE A MULTIPLAYER GAME with working clan features.. OR a working MP system.. none the less.. everyupdate and sucessfully scrwed up the already broken system more.. so do i think that they can institute not 1 ... BUT 2 seprate.. team based and random pantehton ladders.. for players to play on... MY ANSWER IS NO~! but i think right now they have 2 modes where you can play random instant action.. stats dont work for the 1 they have now... so i think they need to look into making it a little more friendly to the competitive players out there who want to start clans/play tournaments/ whatever.. especialyl since euro just started some big league for it.. right now its all random.. they need team.. period.. screw the rest of the crap and the team to until they fix the friggin mutliplayer!

Im going to be honest with you...I have trouble even reading your post and understanding anything your saying.

You dont ever hit the "Enter" key so its just one big blob of text with no punctuation, misspelled words etc. You said something to me there about Im not even playing because Im waiting or something. Not even sure what the hell your talking about.

I have 3 Impulse accounts and 3 copies of the game on 3 computers. So you know everything Im doing eh? Ive been playing alot of network games with my son and cousin actually but have played online games as well. I havent been playing on my Tekkor name until the fixes are made but I have been playing on one of my other accounts (they will most likely wipe stats Im thinking anyway).

You said something to me about clan features or someone releasing a game. Dude....I have no idea what your even trying to say. Take some time and read what your typing. Hit the enter key to make a paragraph. Im not trying to be the grammer police but all your posts Ive seen are the same. 

I'll always argue for teams, but teams should be playing against other teams. have a pantheon pool as it were and both random playing and team playing adds to it. Being a team game, teams just seem proper, no one that I play with touches pantheon when there are others of us on simply because we like playing as a team. So I'm all for teams, done properly.

I don't think you are getting your point across because you are mischaracterizing the debate that is going on in this thread. As for your wording "go online and play with other people by yourself", I really have to ask how serious you are. By definition, if someone is going online to play with other people, they are not playing by themselves.

If you want someone to take your point, you have to be honest as to what the debate is about and you have to make sense. Sorry, but that's just how it works.

Outside of that, it's hard to take your assertions that an RT ladder has no value when in fact Warcraft 3 has a very robust random teams ladder. Your argument fails when held up to the light of what is actually put into practice by the top multiplayer game company (Blizzard Entertainment) in the world.

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Also tl;dr.

My idea is to make both at first, then if one has too few ppl playing just dump it. If there's enough players for both keep both. But yeah i agree on the point that sometimes even if you got a team, you may wwant to play alone as well, and you should be able to do that. Since ppl here are working already and we may not be able to form a team every night so we basically need a quick match once in a while, that's what Pantheon is for at the moment.

The best way to do the matchmaking is to have 2 queue list.

One for the solo

One for the arranged team.

But when you enter as a solo you can specify if you want to be added as well in the Arranged team pool.

Cause let's face it : There's a lot more player that plays alone than ppl playing as a team. If arranged team ladder will fail it's probably because of the lack of people joining as a team. So if when a solo wants a pantheon game he can accept/refuse to be in the arranged team pool aswell it's the best of the 2 world in my opinion.

i don' get what your problem with seperated pantheons is, the random matchup and the team based one? teams could play on team ladder, people who don't have a team (maybe cause they don't play that hardcore, or no team want's them, or some other reason) can play random ladder.

you want to get free kills against random players with your pro-team? what's competitive about that? if you dont want the free noob kills, then your reasoning seems a little bit off!

Teams in Pantheon huh... Could be good for clan rivalry whisch is what they're trying to foster here.... but it'll just result in the elietist communty on par with DOTA players... When is the las time you've seen anyone be helpful to a noob in dota in any other way than telling them how to quit the game?

I don't believe that the separate ladder for teams would work in reality and here is why...

In WC3 or COH, sure you have something called AT and something called PUG or PUB, and there are separate ladders (stats) for both. However, in COH and WC3, AT manly refers to 2v2 games. So, unless anyone is suggesting there should be a separate 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, 5v5 ladders and queues - it is safe to assume that only 5v5 games are considered "team and competitive games" in DG (the same is with DOTA no?).

The point is there is not enough people to have a system where there would constantly be 5v5 games between teams of comparable skill (ladder) . Hell, the most populated place to play DOTA when I was playing it was DOTA league, and it is organised as a PUG, but with a scoring system (somthing like pantheon is now but needs more people skill data and maybe even better skill measuring algorithm...)

For arranged teams, there are custom games (some CW channel would be great) and, may I suggest, a periodic online tournament with prizes and, of course, front page coverage etc etc. Periodic tournaments would make winning it much more important then some ladder season, and would involve the rest of the community (PUBs) much more (esp. if the replay system starts working).

Bottom line, if you want a good competitive 5v5 scene, you need to have a good and populated PUB scene. Also, you need competitions that really matter, not just some "point gathering" system that would come down to what team can play more games during the season.

This thread gave me a good laugh.

AT vrs PUGS that some want is NOT i repeat is NOT skill, its AT vrs pugs most of the time, making your seem good when you suck.

Random teams make for true skill, being able to win and win most of your games with randoms mean you are somewhat luck, as well as greatly skilled as you can win with even bad players.

Now that sad i suport AT vrs AT patheon  for now if you want AT games play custom they allow that there and you can make sure you only play good players.

But AT in patheon should be AT v AT only with pugs vrs pugs.

BTW this is the video OP mention i guess http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/45501/PC/Demigod/Trailer/Brad-Wardells-Day-7-Status-Update

bawahah(Nailed me spot on there hilarious) ya it is one hell of a text blob man that sure looks alot different on my phone while im riding the train home drinking.. apologies for nonesenless blobber.. i had read in a previous post by you trekkor no less than 2-3 days ago that you had not yet even played online. And you suggested they develop a dual pantheon for ranoms/teamplay. All im saying is that from being in the video game industry. and seeing how long it takes for content to be put out when it's a Publisher-->developer--->P&D---->Q&A... then testing.. yadda yadda yadda.. just for a patch. Stardocks trying i mean he(froboy in day 8 status report) even says for the first time a publishers releasing content to try and smooth out the mp issues as soon as possible. But let's be realistic. just adding a teamplay feature wouldn't be all that bad now. no need for dual pantheon enough random instant action =/

Once againg thanks for the nearly unreadable blob of text.

I said in the post your referring to that me and my son had been holding off playing much online because we wanted the favor point reset thing fixed. This is because we play alot of network games and those count to your single player points. Sucks they go away soon as you play a onine game. But I have a 3rd account and play that online. I have played plenty of games online...but in truth...what the hell does that have to do with what we were talking about?

What because I dont play enough online matches I cant comment on a Pantheon game setup? LOL...whatever. 

Plus....anyway....you obviously didnt read any of the posts either. I NEVER said we needed to have two seperate or dual pantheons. Never. Read through my posts. I never suggested two different leaderboards or anything like that (if somehow I did it was not intended). The point many of us made is only in when it matches people to play to match preset teams together and random teams together to PLAY A GAME. The stats can all go on the same Pantheon results.

they can use the same patheon game. all they need to do is when you que up your que as a team or solo. if ur qued up as a team then your que is in the team setup same as solo it would be in the solo q.

2 Pantheons is a good idea.

One for Arranged Teams/Clans and Onefor Random Teams

To simplify, you could merge Arranged Teams with Clans.  So in order to play on a team with someone you must be in the same clan.  This encourages groups of people who play together frequently to give themselves a name. 

And even if your playing with someone who you don't normally play with, you either invite them to your clan, or create a new one.  It's as simple as naming your team.  To keep the stats from being saturated with one game clans, maybe a clan has to log 5 games together before their stats start getting counted.  Or maybe during your first five games, if you go more than a month between games those stats are lost.  Or not who, cares if there are a bunch of 1 game clans?

I just hope this is coming soon.  If they haven't even started, it could be a looong wait.

How about just teamed Pantheon games, and non-teamed Pantheon games?

So you can make a team of 2-5 players, join together, and then be matched against another team with an equal number of players. That shouldn't be too tough to program.

I definately think this possibility should be there.

Nobody is talking about a "single player type approach". Either you have a really big problem with reading comprehension, or you're trolling.

The premade teams will steamroll random teams, so it should be premade v premade and random v random so that it's fair.

The peope who don't have a team to play with will not be able to enjoy the game at all. Don't you care for other people... at all?

[quoteA guy that can get placed with a random group of people and consistently win is far more skilled. [/quote]

More lucky I would say. Even if you're the best player ever, if your team is feeding, you aren't going to win. Skill or no skill, being outgeared will make you lose. You won't be able to kill your enemies, or they'll do so much damage that you won't be able to stay in attack range.

The problem with making 2 seperate queues, one for teams, one for solos, is that you are effectively splitting the player base more. If you think it's a bitch getting in a game now, wait till they do something that like.

Besides, like i said in another post, people are already doing teams in pantheon, it's not that hard. Just all play as dark or light and click the fight button at the same time and voila, team pantheon.

In all honesty though...a large part of the issue of "getting a game now" is the connection issues. I tried to get in 6 games last night and gave up after repeated kicks. So that will improve and make it more viable to have the seperate queues. Also keep this in mind...they could make it where if your joining solo you can select an option to be joined to either type of game. Premade teams or not. So if you dont want to wait just do that etc. 

On the deal of joining together at same time and all that....yeah thats fine if people want to do that but it doesnt 100% guaranteee all of you will get on the same team. Although Im sure its fairly high with the disconnect issues. Try that though when the bots are phased out and people can connect more reliably and I bet your saem team percentage is going to go down.