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I want to demonstrate carrier counters to you [Updated 2/27]

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I want to demonstrate carrier counters to you [Updated 2/27]

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EDIT:  Now that flak has been buffed and carriers have been nerfed, does anyone still want to participate in this demonstration?

 

Ok, so apparently people just don't get it (see the replies to this thread https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/340339 and the various threads about needing to nerf carriers). 

So to all of you who think carriers are OP, I am CALLING YOU OUT.  That's right.  Tonight, from 7 pm to 10 pm EST, I will play you in a team game.  I promise to build no more than 1 for every 5 cruiser carriers you have.  I will show you how to counter carriers properly.  At the end of the demonstration, we will then determine if a nerf is really needed.  I invite the developers as well.  My screen name on ICO is "[DT]Howthe?"  Be there or be square.  If you want to reply to this thread and reserve a spot either on my team or the opposing team, just sign up.  I'll then go ahead and make a roster.

EDIT:  When you sign up, make sure to post your screenname, with proper spelling.

Roster for 7 pm game 2/27/09:  ICO updated during the time we had.

Carrier Killing Team   vs   Carrier Spamming Team

[DT]Howthe?  __________________  Agent of Karma

[_]-Flipkik   ____________________  [SP]TheTraviler

ravok2789  ____________________

KEN  ______________________

 

EDIT:  Here is a replay (for what it's worth) of a game I just played against a carrier spammer.  As you can see, carriers are not a game winner.  http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/8/7/2039910/AutoRecord-02211859.record

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Reply #26 from Sins Forums Top

Can either the "nerf" or the "leave it the way it is" states be modded?  If so, why aren't we doing that instead of changing gameplay?

Although I admire the idealism, there are three problems with that.  First which-ever group is the "mod" group is going to have a lot of practical issues coordinating the use of the mod.  Secondly, it's harder to standardize the quality and support for a modded version than an official versions.  Finally, it's not a good idea to split the community up between different versions of the game, as that makes it harder to find a match and leads to alienation.

The problem with carriers is less an issue of tweaking numbers, and more an underlying gameplay issue that people dislike.  The issue that many of these people bring up isn't that strike craft can't be beaten, but rather that they don't like the effects of their unmatched mobility and firepower on gameplay.  However, this is the kind of thing that gets changed in an expansion pack that brings new content and dynamics to the game, not a balance tweaking patch.

Reply #27 from Sins Forums Top

I completely agree, and I think it would be great if someone would host that is capable with hosting without alloy, thereby insuring the replay works.

I am capable of hosting without alloy.  I will pop on 7pm EST and see if anyone has shown up.  I will volunteer to host.  My terms for offering this are that I will not be an active participant in the game, I will merely host and observe.  Everyone should therefore ally with me (while remaining enemies with everyone else).  I will do nothing but sit on my home planet.

However, I think that even without alloy replays are screwed (my experience, anyway).

 

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Reply #28 from Sins Forums Top

Sign me up as Agent of Kharma.  I will strictly host - nothing more.

Reply #29 from Sins Forums Top

Hey Howthe i think i ll be able to play today. Ill join the Carrier Killing Team i got some knew ideas while i been away.

KEN is out

Reply #30 from Sins Forums Top

Howthe, I just logged on, and even spoke with Flipkick.  But it seems that I will have to download the new update, so I'm doing it now, but it will take a while.  I will be on after if you need a host.

Reply #31 from Sins Forums Top

If the carrier spamming team wins tonight, I hope you have the balls to say they won.

Then you'll have to eat your shoe. :beer:

Reply #32 from Sins Forums Top

While I download the new v1.14, I updated the roster.

See you guys there.

Reply #33 from Sins Forums Top

Lol Updating too... Had too reinstal all cause leftovers of entrenchement seem too fuck up 1.14 :s

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik

Reply #36 from Sins Forums Top

sorry guys i miss calculated the time zones.  Im in cali.  I just got home.  I re-built my computer over last weekend and am looking forward to using my new system however its taking longer then i remembered to down load Sins from Ironclad.  it could be a little bit im at 13% after about as many minutes

 

Reply #37 from Sins Forums Top

haha... umm yeah.  i guess were in the same boat

Reply #38 from Sins Forums Top

Guys, because of the update, we are going to postpone the game until 8:30 so everyone has a chance to install.

Reply #39 from Sins Forums Top

This game is being sabotaged from higher up. Isn't it?<_< >_>

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik

ps: BACK TO 0 ACHIEVEMENTS!!! X(

Reply #40 from Sins Forums Top

Howthe there is something rough i finsh updating the game now the game wont trun on fro some reson.

Reply #41 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting KingDeathGod, reply 15
Howthe there is something rough i finsh updating the game now the game wont trun on fro some reson.

Well did you have the beta and 1.13 in another folder?

It says that traces of entrenchement don't allow 1.14 too run cause 1.14 is instaled over the entrenchement folder so you have too completly uninstal and reinstal with impulse... At least that's what I think... I'm not a pro on pc stuf.

By the way does anyone know why this carrier thing has exploded so badly the last week?

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik

Reply #42 from Sins Forums Top

What i personally would like to see is what was originally talked about.  Having a tech that increased the carriers from one spad to two.  yes there would have to be some balancing as far as fleet points and what not but i think it would make it more interesting.  And it would make carriers more valuable late game!

Reply #43 from Sins Forums Top

If the carrier spamming team wins tonight, I hope you have the balls to say they won.

Then you'll have to eat your shoe.

 

Carrier spamming team will not win against these guys lol:grin: :rofl:

Reply #44 from Sins Forums Top

I already wished them allot of luck in lobby before I started this F****** update.

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik

Reply #45 from Sins Forums Top

ps: BACK TO 0 ACHIEVEMENTS!!!

I feel your painx_x

Reply #46 from Sins Forums Top

Credit Suisse,

 

You obviously don't know what you're talking about fallacy-wise.

Reply #47 from Sins Forums Top

im in and ready to go.  whats the game gonna be called.  and my in game name was [SP-GA]TheTraviler.  Sorry basically havent played online in a very long time.  i mainly play lan games with my friends.

Reply #48 from Sins Forums Top

... Traveller then you probably are not qualified to even play on the team.

All sense of objectively in this test is now out the window. How do we even know if the teams are stacked or not? What if Traveller fails epically and gets rushed in the first 15 minutes?

This idea is ridiculous. You need players of pretty much equal SKILL, not some random yahoos off the street corner!

doh. x_x

Reply #49 from Sins Forums Top

Howthe is stil in another game we'll have too wait my ingame name is [_]-Flipkik you can join my waiting channel XD.

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik

Reply #50 from Sins Forums Top

The carrier killing team could probly kill the other team with nothing but siege frigs lol