Same Sex Marriage

Should we allow it to be redefined?

from JoeUser Forums
I feel that no matter what packaging you place on it, homosexuality is wrong. It is not found in nature, therefore I view it as "un"natural, according to my Christian beliefs.

I should qualify my statements by admitting that I am, indeed, a born again Christian. I am not, however, a racist, nor a classist. I harbor no ill-will toward anyone. In fact, my credo has always been that I am only prejudiced against one race of people...***holes! And they come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and sexual orientation.

I do not judge Homosexuals. This is left to the Lord in my opinion. I simply do not like to have something I don't believe in jammed down my throat or forced on me. This is exactly what was attempted in this election. Marriage is between a MAN and WOMAN. Always has been, always will be. You cannot legislate otherwise, and most Americans feel the same way. ie. 11 out of 11 of the states with banning "gay marriage" on the ballot won.

Clearly there is a difference between same-sex unions and Heterosexual marriage. It is wrong for gays to try to change it. If they want to spend their lives together, they should be happy with the label "Civil-Union" --it differentiates the two and it should-- rather than try to "Re-define" Marriage.

Gays have always felt the need to push these types of things on us. To force others to admit that they are normal and just the same as others, But they are neither, in my opinion. My feeling is that they do this because deep inside themselves they question their choice as well. That is up to them to figure out. It does not bother me except when the attempt is made to make me change my beliefs to accomodate others.

We can live in peace if this would stop. But, of course, that is only MY opinion.

~The W.A.S.P.~
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Apart from the religious and Natural arguments, I believe you are incorrect on the desire of homosexuals to be "married". If I read the situation correctly, what they want is to have their union, call it civil if you like, recognized by society as haveing true LEGAL standing. I believe if the government announced that same sex couples wishing to partake in a civil union may do so with all benefits and responsibilities implied therein.

Civil union, across the board, both sexes.

Never happen. The cry from the bible belt would be deafening. The argument for them would probably shift to the general union of Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, as god intended.

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Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
First off, if gays are allowed civil unions, how would it in any practical way affect your life other than maybe creep you out? Second of all there is a ton of scientific evidence for homosexuality in nature. There are homosexual penguins, monkeys, tigers and other animals that have been closely studied as they are in zoos and can be examined carefully. These animals did not become gay due to captivity, there are females of their species present they simply prefer males. Opposition to gay marraige is largely based on archaic and Biblical opinions of morality and the "sin" of homosexuality Everyone should be entitled to equal rights.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have heard of that study and it is totally bogus. It amounts to the same thing as a dog humping your leg. It does not prove homosexuality in nature.


And infogeek...Thats kind of what I was getting at. They can CALL it whatever they want but it's not the same and should NOT have any legal benefits.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Question. If two people, get civilly united outside of the church (man and woman) they are given certain rights. If a same sex couple get united, why should they not be given the same rights?

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Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is not found in nature, therefore I view it as "un"natural, according to my Christian beliefs.


These two things don't go together. They are different arguments entirely. The Bible does not call us to be "natural," but instead it calls us to concern ourselves with the spiritual. You can dismiss research to the contrary and contend that homosexuality does not occur in nature, and you can also use scripture to justify your belief that homosexuality is immoral, however those two arguments are independent of each other.

Do you believe in separation of church and state?

Do you follow the Bible down to the letter (no gossiping, no laziness, no divorce, selling what you own and giving the proceeds to the poor, etc.)?

Do you acknowledge the commands found in Matthew 7:1, Luke 6:37, John 8:7, Matthew 22:21, and Romans 14:1?
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your completely right about them being seperate arguments. We are told that we may live in this world but that we are not "of" this world, and mans struggle is to attempt to live more spiritually and seperate himself more from the carnal.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that God made the world and all the little critters. He did not make them homosexual so I find it hard to believe that it is a natural thing. I think it is an aberration.

And no, I fall short of the word all the time. But I keep trying. Thanks for thecomment.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
For a while interracial marriage was deemed "wrong," "unnatural" and the like. As a matter of fact, not everyone has given up that view. But I'd like to think that most of us have. Maybe, over time, we'll change our views on this issue as well. Until then, however...

Personally, I believe in the separation of Church and State. And I believe marriage is a religious concept. Therefore each religion can decide for itself whether or not to allow same sex marriages to be performed by their clergy. However, this also means no government benefits for married couples. Rain dances and raising zombies shouldn't get government benefits, and neither should any form of religious marriage. Civil unions are a good idea, but should be expanded to be available for man-woman, same-sex, multiple-partner adults. These guarantee rights like visiting rights if one member is hospitalized, inheritance and legal guardian status over children. There is no reason to "redefine marriage." Let's give marriage back to the churches and redefine civil unions instead.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
There is no reason to "redefine marriage." Let's give marriage back to the churches and redefine civil unions instead.


Now that's not a bad idea.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

I have heard of that study and it is totally bogus. It amounts to the same thing as a dog humping your leg. It does not prove homosexuality in nature


are you tryin to say george carlin is lying about his gay dog?  actually scientific observers (not people who hear voices telling them to slay their oldest sons) have repeatedly documented lifelong pair-bonding by individuals of the same sex in a number of species.   furthermore, anything that happens is natural.  supernatural is the stuff that dont happen...like fiery chariots picking up prophets.  

Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
supernatural is the stuff that dont happen...like fiery chariots picking up prophets.


Clearly an Agnostic. *grins*
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is not found in nature


*buzz* Wrong. Surprising, huh? I was surprised on that too. Source: Guy with PHD on that kind of thing.

There are homosexual penguins, monkeys, tigers and other animals that have been closely studied as they are in zoos and can be examined carefully. These animals did not become gay due to captivity, there are females of their species present they simply prefer males.


Yeah. It's clearly in nature, and it have been noticed outside the zoo too.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Agnostic


Actually you mean atheist. That means undecided. BTW, on supernatural activities and aliens (around or on earth not "out there"), I'm a agnostic, meaning i haven't decided on that subject.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Actually you mean atheist. That means undecided.


I realize that. I just didn't want to assume he was an unbeliever.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
W.A.S.P - You didn't answer my main question. Other than making you feel uncomfortable, how in ANY way will civil unions or gay marraige have any practical affect on YOUR life. And where exactly did you read that animal homosexuality is the same as a dog humping your leg? An actual scientific report or in anti-gay literature?
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your first sentence ends with "homosexuality is wrong." Your third paragraph begins with "I do not judge homosexuals." You either don't judge them, or you think they're wrong. Not both.

I agree that no one should push their beliefs on anyone else. However, the only thing I've noticed homosexuals pushing is the fact that they are not equally protected by the law and that they would like to be. That is not only something they are entitled to do, it is something they have a responsibility to do.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

Clearly an Agnostic. *grins


im a jehovahs agnostic.  we spend our early weekend mornings going door to door, waking up residents to tell them the good news:  we've seen something...sadly we're not sure what we witnessed.

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
im a jehovahs agnostic. we spend our early weekend mornings going door to door, waking up residents to tell them the good news: we've seen something...sadly we're not sure what we witnessed.


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