The Vasari can also use Phase out Hull on the Marauder to interrupt it. Not sure if a Subverter's Distortion Field would work....do Subverters stop cap abilities? I know they don't affect cap ships otherwise...
You all talk abaut the caps to countter marza.
I mean REA PRO PLAYERS never build mor than 1 cap and spamm LRM/Carriers.
And maybe go HC's later!
WHY WHULD I BUILD CAPITALS INSTEAD OF MY PRECIOS LRM SPAM?
MARZA IZ OVRPOWERED PLEASE NERF IT! I CANT ROLL OWER TEC WITH MY ILLUMINATOR/CARRIER FURRBALL ANYMORE!
Its totally unfair, that player who invest time and money on leveling 3 lvl 6 marzas, and maybe have some dunnovs, will win my noncap fleet.
Even IC agrees with me, since all TEC caps were mainly a targetpractice so far!
NERF NERF NERF NERF!
Cleansing has suckked since 1.05, when the malice got hit with nerf stick.
The problem is not the cleansings power level, witch is over 9000, but the fact it stops shooting as soon the target dies, thus making it allmost impossible to aply its full over 9000 damage on enemy fleet.
Cleansing is higly situational ability, that might or might be not useless and takes lots of microing to get radiance in right spot for clear shot.
It was always like that.
Basicly what your saingis. Oh NO! from now on I'll have to use strategy and unit combination in order to beat a take player. The old spamwon't work animore.
OH NO I have to grow a brain to be able to think about how to deal with it.
But i don't wanna it'sto much work so i'll just whine on the forums.
But as stated above in the tread the missile barage isnt overpowered, since it has a long recharge time, will kill only teh weakest frigates on it's own, can be stoped/contered via nemerousway and if youscouted you ahvemorethen enought time to get ready for it.
As for the guy that got pwd by 3 lvl6 Marzas LOL at you since to me you tactics would be rated no better then a normal aggresor AI. Reading about your attemps to not counter made my laugh, i meanit it realy didmake me laught. You cold have built 3 marroders you know and you would probably have won.
Oh and for Kol killing a marza ---> ROFLOL. Head to head a Marza outdamaged a Kol regardless of the ability the Kol is ussing Gauss/Sheils. Thus marze comes out on top.
Whle The other LvL6 cap ship abillities may not kill fleets that does not mean it needs a nerf. Apples and Oranges.
Im mosstly an advent player but im sure Vasari has something aswell
But Advent has Synergies that destroy Fleets as easaly ->
Animosity
Level available: 1 / 3 / 5
Antimatter cost: 65
Cooldown time: 35
Affects: enemy frigates, capital ships and structures
Range: self
Area radius: 3000 / 4000 / 5000
Max targets: 6 / 12 / infinite
Duration: 20
Effect(s):
Enemies forced to attack self
+
Vengeance
Level available: 1 / 3 / 5
Antimatter cost: 75
Cooldown time: 30 / 35 / 45
Affects: friendly frigate, capital ship or structure
Range: 6000
Duration: 20 / 30 / 40
Effect(s):
Damage retaliation: 60% / 130% / 200%
+
Malice
Level available: 1 / 3 / 5
Antimatter cost: 50
Cooldown time: 10
Affects: enemy frigates, capital ships and structures
Range: 8000
Area radius: 3000
Max targets: 8 / 16 / 24
Duration: 10
Stackable
Effect(s):
Damage propagation: 30%
Affects: other enemy frigates, capital ships, and structures affected by Malice
Area radius: 5000
Max targets: 8 / 16 / 24
Will make fleets blow up and can be used 3x as often as missile barrage. 5-6 guardians + 2 motherships with lvl3 shield restore are pretty much invincible in late game( shield and AM reshearch) and so on.
BTW what happens in a situation with Anemosity vs a channeled abillity that has a difrent target?
Animocity = bugged, you can reorder fleet instantly. And it dont always even make them "force atack"
Vengenace = apply damage after mitigation = WEAKSAUCSE
Malice = nerffed to hell and back.
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FAIL
No im not saying that, im saying the opposite.
dang, dittent know animosity was bugged, fix plz
But vengence is not weaksauce, when you consider the cooldown(it's not an ultimate remember) 40/45sec your fleet will take the dmg it deals + my fleet dmg, if you think that is weak i don't know what to tell you.
and malice while not that powerfull is iceing on the cake, the mother ship is mostly there to keep guardian shields up to laugh at your punny MB:)
But ay, it prolly works better vs the AI, but i got finals and don't have time for online play atm. Hopefully they'll fix Animosity in entrenchment
Actuly not fail. They nerffed malica because it needed to. But combining those abilaties will infact cause catatrophical damage. My standarn ammont of hoshikos (and i rarely see anyone build as many or mroe then me) would have great troube keeping up witht he damage being recived. Combining those skills could very well turn the tides of a battle.
Thats the point of having the 3 abilities combined in well timed fashion, to cause catastrophick damage.
Anything less is meaningles and you might as well go for progenitors and halycons. Pumping guardians with shields and repelling strikecrafts.
I rarely bother anymore with radiance or halopeno... even the rapture comes as a last cap ships for my fleet.
Only time i consider having a halopeno or two if enemy is someone like me with nasty marzas...
Thats a pretty good indicator that the 3 skills combined are indeed, way to weak to bother abaut.
Either you are just trolling now (btw lul at te edit of the OP, almose 1 karma for good humor) or you need to edit this, right now, you are saying -> yes thoose 3 abillities do cause loads of dmg but i cba to do it so it is not worth it. thats a nonsential argument 
hmm i just realised, i never play tec..... NERF THE MARZA
TO THE GROUND!
This might be a bit noob to say but what a nerf? For a second i thought u were talking aobut the guns
A nerf is a term used in gaming, it means /to reduce the level of power/ of a given thing, in this case the capship Marza's lvl6 missile barrage abillity
No, they dont cause enought damage do be worth it.
Aimosity pics random ships, and not ALL ships. It also has maximum unit it can effect, as do the malice.
The fact that malice and animocity have this "maximum" units effected NERFS them useless!
This is must shomewhat agree with, atleast on lvl3 they should have unlimitednumbers as longs as ships where in range..
It is referring to the guns...it means to make changes to a dangerous weapon or effect to make it more like a "nerf gun" and therefore not as deadly.
So, by the logic of your second statement, chained usage of 2 abilities is meaningless? How about Distortion Field + Volatile Nanites? Interference + Disruptive Strikes? CB + Malice still does fatal damage to frigates in the line of fire, I've been able to clear a column of ships in a formation.
Rapture's Concentration Aura increases strike craft damage output, which is a significant advantage to the Advent with their focus on strike craft. Its Vertigo ability affects an infinite number of targets within a certain radius of effect. The Revelation's Guidance will increase rate of cooldown by 40%.
Jarrasul's Gravity Warhead + Phase Jump Disruption means no escape for enemy fleets leaving a gravity well. Jam Weapons on the Kortul to nullify the threat of strike craft and use Discharging Missiles on Sentinels to clear them out.
You also clearly stated you prefer spam over any other strategy, which, though completely valid, takes very little thinking to execute and you're automatically dismissing everything else. Why do you want to turn every game you play into a predetermined procedure? I don't see much fun out of that.
Unit spam was an strategy that 1.1 tried to discourage players from using (how successful it was is up to the player's discretion).
So, by the logic of your second statement, chained usage of 2 abilities is meaningless? How about Distortion Field + Volatile Nanites? Interference + Disruptive Strikes? CB + Malice still does fatal damage to frigates in the line of fire, I've been able to clear a column of ships in a formation.
Rapture's Concentration Aura increases strike craft damage output, which is a significant advantage to the Advent with their focus on strike craft. Its Vertigo ability affects an infinite number of targets within a certain radius of effect. The Revelation's Guidance will increase rate of cooldown by 40%.
Jarrasul's Gravity Warhead + Phase Jump Disruption means no escape for enemy fleets leaving a gravity well. Jam Weapons on the Kortul to nullify the threat of strike craft and use Discharging Missiles on Sentinels to clear them out.
You also clearly stated you prefer spam over any other strategy, which, though completely valid, takes very little thinking to execute and you're automatically dismissing everything else. Why do you want to turn every game you play into a predetermined procedure? I don't see much fun out of that.
Unit spam was an strategy that 1.1 tried to discourage players from using (how successful it was is up to the player's discretion).
AMEN
Nerfing the Marza will detract from this game.
Its simple if you want easy play a FPS, if you want a challenge play SINS. You do understand that it is a 4X RTS?
today, i was called cheeter 
only thing i did was kill some odd 40 lrms and 30 assilants in one shot from some overconffident uptight pricks
with Marza
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