Sex & Teens

I recently bought a lap top because I could never get on the computer because my teenage son, Adam, who is 14 is always on with his interests in Anima & games, I'm glad he has a hobby so I do allow him time on it, but with restrictions as to time and sites.

The old clunker I have at home for the past three years is a loaner from work because from time to time I have had to bring work home.  Our home computer that we own, had problem accessing the internet because it is so old, lacks memory, and when I got a new computer, at the time a Windows XP at work, (three years ago) I was able to bring that Windows 98 home which was so much better!

So when I bought the lap top, something went wrong with the Windows 98 and everyone was using the new fancy Gateway!  Well, recently I bite the bullet and purchased a desktop (without screen) a Compaq Vista Home premium for just $299!  What  a steal!  What I particularly loved was that this would give me ultimate control of my kids time on the computer and where they visited and what they did! The time control was beautiful!  My son would be on it and if it is 9pm, wham, it shuts down and nothing he did could get that sucker going!harhar...he pleaded with me to get him back on regular viewership, i.e., Administrator role because he couldn't access his Anima or make his movies or do the things he normally does.  If a video had a word or phrase in it that was deemed, "Adult", it wouldn't open.  I loved that and told him so.  I can't possibly sit with him 24/7 to see what he does, etc. 

Now mind you I do trust my son, explicitly.  But I do know kids will be kids, (yeah, the worn out phrase), friends will influence and convince and peer pressure and curiouslty can be a bitch!  All that a given, I do trust him because so far, I've grown him up (read "I" as my hubby and me) with the values we hold dear to our hearts and beliefs and I do know he has a concience.  Once a kid have a concience, to me, he will always be someone with heart, who cares, despite anything about others, and what goes on in his/her world, despite his peers, etc.  He will make every effort to be a decent human being, at least, that is my interpretation, and so far, my kids do!

Are you still there?  I do go on don't I?  But all that is relevant to what I'm asking help for.  There has to be a background right?!

I've had the sex talk with my son, or tried to.  As a young child growing up, I've always told him, his private parts, and named them for him, penis was called penis, no weird words becaue I wanted him to know what it was, and that those were his own, and all that he could understand at the time.  From the age of 3 years, I've told each of my children, what is good touch, and bad touch, what should not be done, and how to behave, etc.  So far so good, thank heavens!  Growing into a young child, into a young man, he is around friends, access to the internet, etc.  I started letting him become aware of things that might be happening to him.  He didn't protest until he got a little older because he was learning this in school, sex education.  This wasn't something to discuss with mom.  I asked his dad to have the "talk" with him when he turned 13.  "Oh, but I already know all that mom, we learned about that in school".  OK then.  "But if there is anythhg you need to know more about, or don't understand, come to us ok?"  All was well in my world!

I started noticing (over time) that my son would sometimes have his door locked and would be in his room for hours.   Now, he will lock his little sister out to have privacy, especially since he loved playing his DS or watch his tv shows.  He doesn't have internet access and the cable in his room is only Basic, so he doesn't have access to anything I wouldn't want him to behind locked doors.  Those are in the living room where everyone is.

So, his room is locked all the time, then he comes out, rushes to the bathroom.  I said nothing at first.  But when I noticed the pile up of towels, hand towels, and the constant use up of our toilet paper supply and how quickly he uses up his tissue box supply (because of his allergies I make sure he has one in his room) I began to put two and two together!  I mentioned this to my hubby who said he reaslised that but not to worry.  Adam is tame compared to how he was at his age. He started at age 12! I'm looked at him and shook my head because he seemed elated by this discovery.  Oh it is normal, don't worry about it.  So I left it alone.  I told my hubby to just monitor it and make sure he has a talk to make sure he is not doing anything that he is not supposed to.

My kids and sex!  O my God.  I knew the day would come, but having dealt with my oldest, Jessica and her activities, which she started too early and I was unprepared for her to be  doing that so early, (though to some might be late at 17) you just want your babies to grow up without getting involved in these things until they are 40!  Yes, I know that is unrealistic! (just my protective mommy mode coming out!)

Now to get to what I need advice about.  I discovered something on my lap top this morning.  I had a notice that said I have something to write to disk.  I don't remember leaving anything to write to disk?  I clicked on it, and lo and behold, OMG!!!  I called my hubby and I showed him the two pictures! 

Pictures of naked Anima girls, with fake breasts, and one in a position that made me gag!  Where in God's name did these pictures come from and why is he downloading them?  Of course that is a stupid question, the why is already answered!   My hubby is quite calm about it.  I'm trying not to get overly excited into anger with my mommy mode on, all I want to do is total lock down!

I do realise that this is normal.  He is 14, he is going to have these feelings, he is going to seek these things out. Plus he interacts with friends, at  home and on line.  He's also active in a club at school.  What I am concern about is he is accessing things like this too quickly and might be getting involved with porn. 

His dad said if maybe someone hacked into his YouTube account, or someone could have sent the pictures to him, or told him how to access them?  We want to give him the benefit of the doubt because he has not done anything wrong, per se. But we are concerned because we want to make sure this doesn't lead into anything else.

My hubby's suggestion is to just calmly ask where those photos came from, did he access them himself, and which website is that from?  I'm trying to visualize how to do so in a calm manner without going into a lecture or accusations or behaving in a way that would have him scared, not talk to me, or never trusting us. 

Do I go into lock down mode, forbidding him to use the Internet, or just going back to his regular user mode, etc?  That would definitely stop that access. However, it would not stop his curiosity and I don't want him to have a bad feeling about his sexual awareness because it IS normal. Plus he might want to go elsewhere to do this and that I wouldn't want!  The good thing is that his little sister doesn't have access to my lap top!

How do you suggest for me to handle this, what should I do?  I know there are more than a few good men here and of course women with older children who have gone through this?  I just do not want to scar him for life, by over reacting.

I'll show you the pictures, which one of them is pretty graphic...OMG!!!! My son....ugh...that gives me the willies!  My hubby said that at least they are not 'real' pictures they are Anima/Cartoonish!  Yeah, that sure helps!  It is what it is!

 

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Trying to copy the pictures if I could find the right properties!

 

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Don't feel alone.  I have had these issues with my boys too.  Well not quite the same but they were looking for topless photos.  At the ages of 12 and 14.  I told them that I put a key logger on the computer that shows me exactly what they do and that stopped it at home.  My concern now is that they will be trying to look at it at friends houses etc. 

I didn't lose it.  I just told them that I knew what they were looking at and searching for.  I think they were more embarassed than I was.  Of course, I am big on the woman are more than their body parts speeches.  I just hope that my message gets through. 

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I think they were more embarassed than I was.

He will be I'm sure.  Maybe I should let his dad talk to him. I tend to become the drill sargeant!

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Well if he doesn't already he needs to have a separate user account with appropriate restrictions including a good Internet filter, you don't want him seeing the freaky stuff on the Internet, search "block Internet porn".

This one's supposed to be good. Link

Have your husband get him a few playboys and or victoria secret catalogs and I know this sounds crude but I suggest you keep an industrial size jug of cheap hand cream around, otherwise your very expensive facial creams are going to disappear fast.

Oh and look on the bright side FS your sons not gay so your odds of grandchildren just went up.

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Well if he doesn't already he needs to have a separate user account with appropriate restrictions including a good Internet filter, you don't want him seeing the freaky stuff on the Internet, search "block Internet porn

Yes he does have his own user accounts on the desktop and my laptop. Nope those freaky stuff, can't have those!

this sounds crude but I suggest you keep an industrial size jug of cheap hand cream around, otherwise your very expensive facial creams are going to disappear fast.

LOL! not at all!  He has his own stuff and that reminds me, he needs more lotion because his is empty!  Now I know why!

Oh and look on the bright side FS your sons not gay so your odds of grandchildren just went up.

I guess that is one way of looking at it!lol!  Thanks for the link and suggestions.

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I'm not offering any advice.  Mostly because I know this is coming for us soon and I want to read what other people say. 

In my mind, we will deal with it a certain way.....in reality, we'll see. 

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you don't want him seeing the freaky stuff on the Internet,

Nothing ends a childhood faster than seeing some freaky shit on the internet...and it's not just the porn you have to worry about...there are so many unpleasant things...

I'd have to say nothing in this world could honestly surprise me anymore.

~Zoo

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Nothing ends a childhood faster than seeing some freaky shit on the internet...and it's not just the porn you have to worry about...there are so many unpleasant things... I'd have to say nothing in this world could honestly surprise me anymore.

Well you know I'm not one whom believes deviant sexual behavior is learned but seeing some of that junk could adversely effect his attitude towards women. Then again some fetishes can make people feel like there's something wrong with them so it can be comforting to know others have the same thoughts.

In episode an episode of South Park called Over Logging the Internet went down all over the country and Randy had gotten so used too seeing whatever he wanted he couldn't masturbate until he found the Internet again.  It's sometimes hard to admit I watch that show, even harder to admit I laughed my ass off. O:)

LOL! not at all! He has his own stuff and that reminds me, he needs more lotion because his is empty! Now I know why!

You don't want your son chaffing. :grin:

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You don't want your son chaffing

I've been so distracted I didn't even get any! ha!

 

It's sometimes hard to admit I watch that show, even harder to admit I laughed my ass

I have male friends who love that show...noticed the trend, mostly males (hahaha).  I never got into it although I tried.  I'm a Family Guy fan!

Nothing ends a childhood faster than seeing some freaky shit on the internet...and it's not just the porn you have to worry about...there are so many unpleasant things...

I agree Shaun!

 

In my mind, we will deal with it a certain way.....in reality, we'll see

 

How w1ouldyou do it?  I wish you well when the time comes, !'ve been in denial as to it coming at all, since he didn't show an interest in such things!

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Then again some fetishes can make people feel like there's something wrong with them so it can be comforting to know others have the same thoughts.

Actually in some cases that community aspect spreads a horrible fetish and/or strain of crazy.  There are some things that are okay and some things you should probably be medicated for...

It's sometimes hard to admit I watch that show, even harder to admit I laughed my ass off.

It's a great show. :D 

~Zoo

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I've always been real up front with my boys. I tell them the way it is as I see it as blunt and forthright as I can. Having said that I also tell them that I trust them to listen to that little voice called conscience inside their head and that, if they'll always stop and THINK and do that, they will never go wrong -whether it's a matter of sex or stealing something or drug use. I dunno, Donna. I think if you give a kid something to look up to, something to aspire to, and treat them with respect then they, when temptation comes, will not want to disappoint that trust. If ya lay down a lot of draconian rules their just gonna say "what the hell? I'm ALREADY convicted and not trusted do I might as well fuck up anyway!" Heh, and yeah I know it's a gamble! But when it comes to Love and Trust I'll take that hedge any day of the week.

Gah, what a ramble! 8|

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Give the poor kid some dignity and privacy.  Let him know that if he's going to look at porn, he should do his best to respect others' sensibilities by ensuring that it is shielded from their eyes.  Maybe he should also be encouraged to 'go out' more often then 'stay in', it might save on towels and tissue. 

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Here are a few thoughts from a mother of 6,  5 girls, one boy-currently with three fully thrashing teens

There is a lot of crap on the internet.  We feel there is something about the gateway of the eyes that makes things that are seen particularly dangerous in comparison to for instance a narative that might be written.  It's because when you see, there is nothing left to your imagination and your imagination is goverened by your maturity level.

Therefore,

we have a PC for family use.  it is in a main area in the house where there is no privacy.  we know of several families who use this idea for their kids and it works real well.  its a way of providing accountability without needing to "police" what is going on.

also

we are careful about what we all watch on TV.  my husband and i don't choose movies or shows with heavy sexual content because we have a houseful of kids that really are not ready to handle it.  it also keeps us from traveling unproductive roads ourselves- if you know what I mean.

finally, sexuality is a powerful part of who we are and it takes wisdom and maturity to guide our children in understanding themselves, respecting themselves and others all without a sense of shame but with dignity.  the thing that will undermine this is our own hang ups, which we need to work out, so we don't pass them on to them

good luck,

parenting isn't for cowards

joa

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Having said that I also tell them that I trust them to listen to that little voice called conscience inside their head and that, if they'll always stop and THINK and do that, they will never go wrong

I basically feel the same way and try to impart the same thing to my children.

 

I dunno, Donna. I think if you give a kid something to look up to, something to aspire to, and treat them with respect then they, when temptation comes, will not want to disappoint that trust. If ya lay down a lot of draconian rules their just gonna say "what the hell? I'm ALREADY convicted and not trusted do I might as well fuck up anyway!"

 

Yes, I agree that is why I try not to lay rules down that cannot be lived up to.  I parent from a point of view of right vs wrong and what I have learned over the years, as well as instinct with my mother thrown in somewhere!  I don't think I'm overbearing, though I could be.

 

Give the poor kid some dignity and privacy.

He does have privacy.  I don't barge into his room, I don't demand that he keeps his room door open.  I let him have his private time to do what he wants just in the same way we each demand our own private time to do our own things.  The one thing I do tell him is when it is sleep time the door remains closed but unlock just in case of an emergency, like a fire and he wants to get out, fumbling half asleep would be dangerous!  

 

My husband and I decided not to tell him we saw the pictures.  I've left it up to his dad to talk to him if he wants to do so because technically he didn't do anything wrong.  It happened on my lap top and I'm sure he didn't realise he left it there.  However, being the mom I am, I will have concerns that I will address if it becomes necessary.  

 

Maybe he should also be encouraged to 'go out' more often then 'stay in', it might save on towels and tissue.

 

He does go outside a lot.  There is always friends going in and out of our home or knocking on our door to get him. 

 

we have a PC for family use. it is in a main area in the house where there is no privacy. we know of several families who use this idea for their kids and it works real well. its a way of providing accountability without needing to "police" what is going on.

 

This is what we do and it has and is working fine for us as well.  That is why the premium box for the cable is on the "family" tv and not in any of the kids bedrooms. 

 

we are careful about what we all watch on TV. my husband and i don't choose movies or shows with heavy sexual content because we have a houseful of kids that really are not ready to handle it. it also keeps us from traveling unproductive roads ourselves- if you know what I mean.

 

AS do we.  If there is a program I want to watch, I do it in my bedroom and I tell my daughter and son, it is a grown up program or movie and they usually respect that.  We do not keep them so sheltered they aren't aware of what is "out" there.  We do tell them what they need to know at the stage they are at.

 

finally, sexuality is a powerful part of who we are and it takes wisdom and maturity to guide our children in understanding themselves, respecting themselves and others all without a sense of shame but with dignity. the thing that will undermine this is our own hang ups, which we need to work out, so we don't pass them on to them

 

Of course.  This is why I didn't want to approach this the wrong way because I wouldn't want him to feel in any way shamed or anything.  My older daughter and I have and do talk openly about sex.  She has a question she isn't afraid to come and ask.  I have always treated the topic on a as need to know basis dependent on their age.  As I said, I call their body parts what it is, not give it some name.  My son is 14 and feels he knows everything even tough I know he doesn't, but he is aware and that is good.

 

The other day my daughter said to me (our 7 year old) "Mommy how come you don't kiss daddy anymore, don't you love him?"  I was surprised at that!  I hadn't noticed that we weren't being affectionate to each other, because we are, we just get busy and we don't always hug or kiss in front of them, but sometimes we do because we are not afraid to be affectionate with each other in front of them (kiss on cheek, lips, hugging) or with them to show love.

 

good luck,

parenting isn't for cowards

 

Thanks and no it isn't! :D

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Here is one more thought and it is a relatively new idea (for me).  Recently, I had a conversation with my 17 year old about the difference between "secret" and "private".  Privacy is something that we all need it still carries with it a certain amount of accountability, secrecy (not just keeping a secret like a surprise) is something we need to be careful about.  Things done in secret can lead us to destructive places especially when having to do with sexual behavior.  In fact, I can't think of any sexual behavior that is healthy that is done in secret while all healthy sexual behavior requires a certain amount of privacy.

This is a good way to gage if the things you are doing are wise.  If you find you have some areas that are secret, you can change them to private if you share with a trusted individual for accountability.  Hopefully, this is a person that can keep private the info but also be able to tell if you need some help or suggest any changes you should consider.

just a thought

JOA

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No amount of 'Net Nanny' software will stop a determined person from accessing what they want to. 

That said, I think you have every right to know exactly what your child is doing. There are lots of good sotware packages that log activity and chat, snap screen shots and are social networking site aware. Boys will be boys and since it seems that he has discovered what is down there, I doubt there will be a filter to stop the Victorias Secret catalog from disappearing. 

Your best hope is to keep a watchful eye on his internet use. You can return him to full 'admin' status with the understanding that you will be aware of what he is doing online (don't tell him you bought spy software). You are still left to figure out what to do if something crosses a line you don't like but you will be aware of what he does. 

Anime and porn go hand and hand. Even the most tame female charachters are scantaly clad. I never have really understood the attraction to a cartoon but I even caught a female in our office looking at anime porn in her very public office. Obviously there has to be something there.

I say be aware of what he is doing so that you can address issues as they come up and not after they become a problem.

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Anima

By the way...it's actually Anime.  :P  Wrong vowel.

Anima is Latin for 'soul' which is the root for words like animal and animation...which in that context means things that move.  Anime is a Japanese way of saying animation and broadly refers to the Japanese style of animation...which if you've seen any(and apparently you have ;) ), you know how different it is compared to Western cartoons.

~Zoo

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Things done in secret can lead us to destructive places especially when having to do with sexual behavior. In fact, I can't think of any sexual behavior that is healthy that is done in secret while all healthy sexual behavior requires a certain amount of privacy. This is a good way to gage if the things you are doing are wise. If you find you have some areas that are secret, you can change them to private if you share with a trusted individual for accountability. Hopefully, this is a person that can keep private the info but also be able to tell if you need some help or suggest any changes you should consider.

That will depend on what is being done in secret, true. Though I prefer the word privacy myself, not secret.  Secret and kids have connotations that I've always told them, in no way should anyone tell you to keep anything secret.  As far as anything else, I don't have any secrets, private thoughts, private moments for quiet times, yes, plenty of those! : )  I have best friends and we discuss and share as openly as i do with my husband.  Though we do girl talks that the guys usually are clueless about or won't get involved with, being the male of the species! Otherwise, nothing to change in the way we do things.

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By the way...it's actually Anime. Wrong vowel. Anima is Latin for 'soul' which is the root for words like animal and animation...which in that context means things that move. Anime is a Japanese way of saying animation and broadly refers to the Japanese style of animation...which if you've seen any(and apparently you have ), you know how different it is compared

Yes, Zoo, thank you! My son corrects me all the time and I always forget!

 

No amount of 'Net Nanny' software will stop a determined person from accessing what they want to. That said, I think you have every right to know exactly what your child is doing. There are lots of good sotware packages that log activity and chat, snap screen shots and are social networking site aware. Boys will be boys and since it seems that he has discovered what is down there, I doubt there will be a filter to stop the Victorias Secret catalog from disappearing. Your best hope is to keep a watchful eye on his internet use. You can return him to full 'admin' status with the understanding that you will be aware of what he is doing online (don't tell him you bought spy software). You are still left to figure out what to do if something crosses a line you don't like but you will be aware of what he does. Anime and porn go hand and hand. Even the most tame female charachters are scantaly clad. I never have really understood the attraction to a cartoon but I even caught a female in our office looking at anime porn in her very public office. Obviously there has to be something there.I say be aware of what he is doing so that you can address issues as they come up and not after they become a problem.

I gave him back his stats!  He's happy about that.  I will continue to monitor him and we've had a talk about what he access and things like that without me saying anything about the pictures. He's aware that if he does anything to breach our verbal agreement, to 'Standard user' he goes!

That said, I think you have every right to know exactly what your child is doing.

Definitely! I tell this all the time!

No amount of 'Net Nanny' software will stop a determined person from accessing what they want to.

Oh absolutely!