Calor

McCain outlines same old failed policies

▼

McCain outlines same old failed policies

Acceptance speech merely a rehash

from JoeUser Forums

McCain's speech has proven a couple of things. Number one, he is not a great speaker. Number two, his prescription to solve America's ills are to do more of the same.

McCain, who votes with Bush 90 percent of the time, thinks the solution to our problems is to give the rich more money, keep spending the country's blood and treasure in Iraq, and hope everything turns out okay. That's the definition of insane.

McCain calls for lower taxes. Taxes were higher in the 90s and that seemed to work okay. If Bill Gates prefers Obama you have to wonder the wisdom of Republican economic policies.

McCain's experience in Vietnam proves he is made of stern stuff. But no offense but that was nearly 40 years ago. What has he done since?

The only things McCain is really known for since he decided to make "his country his life" was have an affair on the wife that waited for him to be released in order to marry a rich younger woman, accept money from special interest groups, The keating-5 scandal, and the passage of legislation that made possible the 501c political entities that Republicans claim to hate. I know why Democrats don't like him. But why on earth would a Republican want to claim this man? Even on immigration McCain supports policies Republicans don't like. 

John McCain is like the worst of both worlds. He's an economic disaster with misguided foreign policy judgment. After 8 years of cowboy diplomacy, record deficits, and mounting economic stress, we have had enough. It is time for change.

democrat
40,653 views 69 replies
Reply #51 from PolMach Forums Top

So that's what we've had the past 2 years? Change?

no can you say veto and not enough of a majority

Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top

Excuse me?  Bush has vetoed 12 bills during his entire 8 years in office, 3 of which were overridden by Congress, at least 2 of them this year.  Where are you getting your information?

DeskScapes - Bring your desktop background to life.
Reply #53 from PolMach Forums Top

I meant he has veto power and the dems dont have a majority.  Sorry wasnt real clear on that one.  But didnt he have only 1 veto in the first 6 years? 

 

 

Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top

The 12 bills in 2006-2008, you mean?  Take a look at some of his statements regarding the vetoes that were overridden.  You can see where the Congress can actually do some good to help the people when they work together to get things changed for the better.  I don't agree with this whole, change things to "Democrat" because it is better; sounds kind of self-absorbed.  I agree with change in how government acts and reacts with the nation and between parties.  Luckily both candidates seem to offer something to that tone.  Although I still disagree with many of McCain's platforms, he wouldn't be the end of the world (I would just be highly disappointed and tempted to move to Canada ;P)

Reply #55 from PolMach Forums Top

Daiwa,

I understand that McCain states that in an ad which is sponsored by Obama.  I'm not sure where they cut and spliced to get. I'm not say that they are the only ones that do. IT IS A POLITICAL AD, how many actually get the facts 100% accurate.  I can say is that I AM GETTING MY FACTS FROM A LEGIT PLACE AND NOT PULLING THEM OUT OF MY ARSE.  Google congression quarterly voting study. 

Obama has voted with HIS PARTY all the time 100%.  The Democrats have been in power for 3 years where is this stinkin change that you're talking about?  Obama claims that he'll be bipartisan.  Yeah since he's been a senator for the short time he has he's been bipartisan exactly .01%.  Again google that website.

Bipartisan means the cooperative efforts of both major political parties to pass legislation or address issues in the national interest.  McCain has gone against his party 33% of the time. 

Just for the record I DON'T LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE!  But I like even less MOONCALVES botching figures!

Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top

Obama has voted with HIS PARTY all the time 100%.

That is incorrect. Its in the high 90's but not 100%

McCain has gone against his party 33% of the time

This is also incorrect...Somewhere in the low teens.

Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top

Your own legit place indicates a 96% voting with party rate for Obama, not your 100% claim.  Stick to your "legit place", it will help with your "peoples' arguments".  http://www.cqpolitics.com/cq-assets/cqmultimedia/flash/votestudy/index.html

It also mentions McCain voting 81% with his party over the years of the current President Bush with 90% presidential support.  McCain has also been in the senate since 1987 through various demographics in the congress and presidency...plenty more opportunities to practice bi-partisan efforts.  When the political agenda and country is divided so much, these politicians now will try every opportunity they get to push party initiatives along the path from legislation to law.

Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top

Daiwa,

I understand that McCain states that in an ad which is sponsored by Obama. I'm not sure where they cut and spliced to get. I'm not say that they are the only ones that do. IT IS A POLITICAL AD, how many actually get the facts 100% accurate. I can say is that I AM GETTING MY FACTS FROM A LEGIT PLACE AND NOT PULLING THEM OUT OF MY ARSE. Google congression quarterly voting study.

I think you may have mistaken my comment as a reply to you, t_P_P - it was a response to Mooseplow.

Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top

Although I still disagree with many of McCain's platforms, he wouldn't be the end of the world (I would just be highly disappointed and tempted to move to Canada )

A voice of sanity! :LOL:

That is incorrect. Its in the high 90's but not 100%

name the times he has voted against his party and for Bush.

 

Reply #60 from PolMach Forums Top

Dear Smooth Seas and Kurtin,

First,  I am not delusioned enough to support either party 100% nor am I a NINNYHAMMER to support a third party.  Please your insult Kurtin has no effect on me because I am not a product of the machine.  I strongly feel that this country really does need a multiple party system because BOTH parties eventually do the same thing with very minor differences.

Onto the accusations.  First the accusation that he did not vote 33% of the time against his party.  Go to the year 2001, now if someone only votes x% for their party the that means the reminder y% is essentially him aligning with the other side.  Its math.  I am a stat researcher.

If you really did go to the website I gave then you'll see that McCain voted with bush 77% of the time in 2005.

I admit that I was exaggerating my 100% figure.  I also gave you the website to go to.  Unlike most political ads that will say he voted 95% of the time.  Which makes you think that McCain voted with Bush all time at least 95% of the time.

p.s.  Kurtin, the point is Obama has voted almost exclusively with his party.  He falls into the category of 'voting trend' especially if you vote high 90s with your party for all of your senate career.   I am only talking within these 8 years for McCain.  Yes granted if went all the way back to the early 90s and crunched those numbers I'm sure that I could bring out other numbers.

p.p.s I am glad you went to the website enjoy the truth.

 

Reply #61 from PolMach Forums Top

Before someone accuses me of a math error. The 77% figure and 33% figure are not related.

Reply #62 from PolMach Forums Top

Please read the whole thing and dates.

Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top

Onto the accusations

Theres no accusations. Im simply pointing out corrections to % that are somewhat obvious. Now youre trying to restate what you meant by now stating you are comparing McCain with Bush as opposed to McCain vs his party.  You cannot compare senate presidentail signing or vetos of bill with senate or house voting records since bills are often changed, rewritten and amended before they ever hit the desk in the oval office.

 

now if someone only votes x% for their party the that means the reminder y% is essentially him aligning with the other side.

Not always. There are actually many bills supported by both parties.

In any case voting records alone do not show true bipartisanship. Many in congress vote opposite their party opinion because of the demographics or special interests in the particular district or state they represent. You have to look at things like bill sponsorship or maybe even create an opion by watch committe hearings on CSPAN. Personally I would only expect bipartanship from those more towards the center.....People like Arlen Spector or Jim Webb for example.

Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top

Jim Webb for example.

You blew that one.  He is a blow hard and arse wipe, and no way bipartisan.

Reply #65 from PolMach Forums Top

Arlen Spector, give me a break he was trying to get us to waste more of our money trying to get an organization (the NFL) to reprimand an employer.

First, to let you know I am from that his said state.  I think that that coach further disciplined.  He's been cheating since he was an assistant coach in the early 80s.  Now, why does are government need to take care of all of our sports problems.  Again, I'm not saying that something should have been done in the NFL, MLB, ect ect ect but since when has all of sudden entertainment become something that the politicians feel the need to waste our tax money on? 

A 'philosopher' from the early 90s said this 'here we are now, entertain us.'  Sums up where our society is I want my MTV.  Not saying that stuff doesn't need to be taken care of.

Anywho, I digress.......

Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top

organization (the NFL) to reprimand an employer.

I agree - the NFL should have done it.  The NFL failed.  But it is not Congress' business.

 

Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yep, you'd think at this point we would have a Congressional Committee on Sports with all of the nonsense time they put into these unimportant issues. o_O

Reply #68 from PolMach Forums Top

please check out the 9/11 positive post thread, lets all be americans for a day rather than dem or repubs or independents

 

thanks

Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yep, you'd think at this point we would have a Congressional Committee on Sports with all of the nonsense time they put into these unimportant issues

We dont? ;)