Paladin77

It all started with the Shah of Iran.

It all started with the Shah of Iran.

President James Carter is the reason we are at war

September 10–September 11, 1976: Croatian Freedom Fighters hijack a TWA airliner, diverting it to , , and then to , demanding a manifesto be printed. One police officer was killed and three injured during an attempt to defuse a bomb that contained their communiques in a train station locker. Zvonko Busic who served 32 years in prison for the attack was released and returned to to a heroes welcome in July 2008.

This was the kind of crap we had to deal with before the flood gates opened.

When the stopped supporting we lost a valued ally in the region. When President Carter allowed his people to engineer the fall of the Shah of Iran to please his humanitarian base of nuts, we opened up a can of worms that is still messing with us today.

While a Muslim himself, the Shah gradually lost support from the Shi'a clergy of , particularly due to his strong policy of Modernization and recognition of . Yes, this evil dictator did the unthinkable. He allowed women to have the same rights as men, as written in the Quran, he recognized as a state and said they deserved to live. American and international human rights groups said that he had 100 thousand political prisoners over his 39 year dictatorship. These sweet innocent political prisoners did minor things to get arrested like try to kill the Shah, his family, overthrow the country and install a theocracy and with the help of President James Carter the terrorist took power.

From the Shah of Iran on The role of the : I did not know it then – perhaps I did not want to know – but it is clear to me now that the Americans wanted me out. Clearly this is what the human rights advocates in the State Department wanted... What was I to make of the Administration's sudden decision to call former Under Secretary of State George Ball to the White House as an adviser on Iran?... Ball was among those Americans who wanted to abandon me and ultimately my country.

November 4, 1979 Iran Hostage Crisis takes place. Iranian Muslim students take over the American Embassy, taking 52 diplomats hostage for 444 days. (Ended January 20, 1981) This was the thanks we received from the grateful nation of after we helped free them from the Shah’s brutal dictatorship. further thanked us by forming and funding a small diplomatic and peace loving organization called Hezbollah. Their stated goals are to bring about love peace and harmony throughout the world, by the destruction of , the , the , and to do this all they want is world wide Islamic rule.

December 1979 a rumor was started that the president of was going to switch sides and kick the Soviets out. Soviet forces invaded and assassinated the president and installed another leader. It has been suggested that President Carter and his administration started the rumor in order to get the soviets to take the news off of the hostage crisis he was dealing with. It is just a suggestion and I have no proof that this was true. Either way this was the start of the Islamic terrorist group the base. Also known as Al Qaeda.

June 3, 1980 a bomb destroys most of the exhibits in the Statue of Liberty story room. No one is arrested, but Croatian separatists are suspected. Notice that Muslim groups are attacking us.

October 6, 1981, Muhammad Anwar Al Sadat was assassinated during the annual 6th October victory parade in . A fatwa approving the assassination had been obtained from Omar Abdel-Rahman, a cleric later convicted in the for his role in the 1993 bombing. In doing this Islamic terrorist successfully destroyed the only two Muslim leaders that recognized and stopped the war on . Providing an object lesson to all other Muslim leaders.

August 11, 1982 a bomb explodes on Pan Am Flight 830, enroute from to , killing one teenager and injuring 15 passengers.

April 18, 1983 United States Embassy bombing takes place. A stolen van carrying 2,000 pounds of explosives slammed into the U.S. Embassy in killing 63 people including 18 Americans. Hezbollah Islamic terrorists responsible, you know that peace loving organization from .

October 23, 1983 Marine Barracks Bombing occurs. A truck carrying 2500 pounds of explosives crashed through the gates of a US Marine barracks in killing 241 American servicemen and wounding 81. Hezbollah responsible. 58 French troops from the multinational force are also killed in a separate attack. Hezbollah also responsible, and did you know that they were started and funded by .

November 9, 1983: U.S. Senate bombing. A time bomb consisting of several sticks of dynamite explodes at the United States Senate in response to the invasion of . No one was injured, a group known as the Armed Resistance Unit claims responsibility.

April 14, 1985 — military aircraft, acting on President Ronald Reagan's orders to “pre-empt and discourage” Libyan terrorism, struck the North African nation Monday night.

June 14, 1985 TWA Flight 847 skyjacking, Hezbollah, terrorists take passengers of an Athens-Rome flight hostage, murdering US Navy Seaman, Robert Stethem. Just another peaceful demonstration by our friends in .

October 7 – October 10: Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking by Palestinian Liberation Front, a group started and funded by the , during which passenger Leon Klinghoffer, a 69 year-old wheelchair-bound Jewish American citizen, is shot dead and thrown overboard.

April 5, 1986 discotheque bombing. A Berlin discotheque frequented by US servicemen was bombed, killing 3 people--A Turkish woman and two US servicemen--and injuring 230 including over 50 US servicemen. was held responsible for this act. At this point the president let loose the dogs of war. If the DIA will get off their butts and allow me to tell the story you will find that we were very busy from that time on.

October 11 1986 – President Reagan walks out of the summit with Grobachev, refusing to give up the strategic defense initiative missile defense in exchange for more worthless communist promises. Grobachev himself has cited this as the moment that won the cold war.

June 12, 1987 Berlin Germany- President Reagan gives his “tear down this wall” speech at the gate. He said that communism will rot from within and with a little help he was right.

April 12, 1988 Japanese Red Army terrorist Yu Kikumura was arrested at a rest stop on the turnpike in possession of pipe bombs on his way to . For those that don’t remember the Red Army they were also funded by the .

December 21, 1988 a bomb blows up Pan Am flight 103 in flight over . is responsible and they paid for it in more than one way.

February, 1989 Soviets complete their humiliating pullout from , leaving one million dead after ten years of fighting.

August 2, 1990 Saddam Hussein invades .

February 27, 1991 the United States Military and its Allies crush Saddam Hussein’s vaunted “million man army” in 100 hours.

December 21, 1991 the collapses just as President Reagan said it would.

August, 1992 President George H. Bush deploys the military to to prevent a humanitarian disaster and mass starvation. One of his orders was never to take a side or perform police actions. Only make sure the food goes to the people.

November 4, 1992 Governor Bill Clinton wins the Electoral College and the presidency with 43% of the popular vote.

February 26, 1993 when a car bomb was detonated below Tower One of the in . The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing. Though it was known by intelligence officials that they belonged to the group Al-Qaeda nothing was done to hunt down the group or its leader. People were arrested and convicted so the case was closed.

April 19, 1993 the administration assaults the Branch Davidian compound in and burn 76 people including 21 children to death. President Clinton blames it all on Attorney Genera, Janet Reno.

May 28, 1993 President Clinton passes the largest tax increase in world history.

June, 1993 President Clinton expands his mission to feed the hungry into nation building and police action but does not properly arm and equip the troops.

June, 1993 Failed New York City landmark bomb plot. When allowed the FBI can do some great work.

October, 1993 Al-Qaeda linked terrorist attack troops in . 18 soldiers die in the “Black Hawk Down” scenario. But take out thousands of Somali terrorists. President Clinton responds by pulling out US troops. Bin Laden later said this event convinced him that the American soldier is a paper tiger and inspired the 9/11 attacks.

April, 1994 the Rwandan genocide begins. Despite systematic rape campaigns and ethnic murders, President Clinton and his administration do nothing to stop the slaughter.

October 21, 1994, the and signed the "Agreed Framework", whereby agreed to freeze its plutonium production program in exchange for fuel, economic cooperation, and the construction of two modern nuclear power plants powered by light-water reactors. Eventually, 's existing nuclear facilities were to be dismantled, and the spent reactor fuel taken out of the country.

December 11, 1994 a small bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines Flight 434, killing a Japanese businessman. Authorities found out that Ramzi Yousef planted the bomb to test it for his planned terrorist attack to blow up a dozen planes over the in one day. This plan was later changed to the attacks of 9/11.

October 17, 1995 President Clinton says, “Probably there are people in this room still mad at me at the budge because you think I raised your taxes too much. It might surprise you to know that I think I raised them too much, too.”

In conjunction with several other Islamic militant leaders, bin Laden issued two fatwa in 1996 and then again in 1998 that Muslims should force the and its allies to withdraw their military forces from the , by attacking American military and civilian targets.

February, 1996 ’s religious leader Hassan Turabi, writes President Clinton offering to turn over Bin Laden. (Think about this not in hindsight but in actuality. A man with a paramilitary organization publically states that he is going to attack US interests abroad, and soon after the chief mullah of the country this man is living in is offering him to you.)  President Clinton refuses, fearing the has no legal reason to take custody of him. (Bin Laden is now linked to two terrorist attacks on Americans)

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in than elsewhere.

June 25, 1996 Terrorists bomb the military’s barracks in . This has now been linked to Bin Laden. President Clinton does nothing at the time.

August, 1996 Hassan Turabi again offers to turn over Bin Laden. President Clinton does not accept the offer again. (Bin Laden is now linked to four terrorist attacks on Americans)

November 5, 1996 President Clinton wins reelection but falls short of winning half the votes cast.

April, 1997 President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir of Sudan “offered the arrest, and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed in Egypt’s Islamic Jihad, Iran’s Hezbollah, and the Palestinian Hamas,” According to regional expert Mansor Ijaz. President Clinton ignores him. (Bin Laden is now linked to three and one suspected terrorist attacks on Americans and just maybe Sudan knows something we don’t know, and being or wanting to be a friend to us is trying to help us.)

February, 1998 ’s intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi wrote directly to the FBI to offer Bin Laden. (Bin Laden is now linked to three terrorist attacks on Americans and just maybe knows something we don’t know and maybe they want to be our friend.)

Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri, considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of carrying out the embassy attacks.

August 7, 1998 hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous car bomb explosions at the embassies in the East African capital cities of , and . The attacks, linked to local members of the al Qaeda terrorist network headed by Osama bin Laden, brought bin Laden and al Qaeda to international attention for the first time as far as the news media are concerned. Bin Laden was then indicted in federal court for his alleged involvement in the 1998 embassy bombings in , and , and is on the US Federal Bureau of Investigation's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list.

August 20, 1998 someone in the administration discovered that Osama Bin Laden might be in the . With great decisiveness the President ordered the immediate bombing of the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant. The plant had no connections to Bin Laden and the had been trying to give Bin Laden to us for years. Oh by the way, in a totally unrelated story, Monica Lewinsky testified in front of the grand jury the next day. Who needed as a friend anyway?

August 21, 1998 President Clinton in another bold decisive move ordered missile strikes against Al Qaeda terrorist training camps in . A little too late since Bin Laden and his troops had moved to and were now moving to after he was kicked out of . The camps were mostly empty but they did get 34 people not members of AQ, But as a presidential hopeful suggested doing the same thing may I remind all that Pakistan screamed its outrage at the US violation of its airspace, wonder if they will get mad when President Obama invades their country? Is that not an act of war from a man that wants peace?

After the missile attacks Osama bin Laden pledged to attack the again. Ayman al-Zawahiri made a phone call to a Newsweek reporter, stating that "The war has only just begun; the Americans should now await the answer."

December 16, 1998 President Clinton attacks . In a totally unrelated story the House leaders delay the impeachment debate until the dust settles from the preemptive war started by the President.

December 14, 1999 Ahmed Ressam is arrested. His plan to blow up international airport on New Year’s Eve. Look up the “Millennium bomber.” Though the administration tried to claim credit for stopping this terrorist attack it was later discovered that a customs agent busted him when he tried to cross the border from into the .

October 12, 2000 Al-Qaeda terrorist detonate a dinghy packed with explosives into the USS Cole, killing 17 Sailors. President Clinton did almost nothing. The investigation said AQ was to blame but no action was taken. Where is a Lewinsky testimony when you need one?

December, 2000 President Clinton receives Intel about Osama Bin Laden’s location. Military advisors urge a strike. The President refuses.

September 11. 2001 terrorist hijack four airliners. They fly two of them into ’s world trade towers, another hits the pentagon. Passengers aboard the fourth jet give their lives to stop the hijackers. President Bush tells Vice President Cheney, “We’re at war, Dick. We’re going to find out who did this and kick their ass.” The democrats in congress asked, he had 8 months on the job why didn’t he stop this from happening? They seem to ignore the seven years of attacks from the same terror group prior to Mr. Bush taking office.

September 12, 2001 Saddam Hussein is the only world leader to praise Bin Laden and the attacks. Even who we don’t have diplomatic relations with was offering help and Intel.

September 14, 2001

Mr. DASCHLE (for himself and Mr. LOTT) introduced the following joint resolution; which was read twice, considered, read the third time, and passed (This was written by Senator Daschel)

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

September 18, 2001 the first in a series of anthrax mail attacks targets government and the media.

October 7, 2001 after being criticized by the democrats for not having attacked anyone yet, President Bush authorizes the invasion of and the destruction of Al-Qaeda’s safe havens. Liberals claim we can’t win. Why in the world did they scream we should bomb people if they don’t think we can win?

November 12, 2001 the ruling Taliban is driven out of the capitol city of . Wait, it can’t work and we will lose is what we are told yet in over a month we took the capitol city?

December 9, 2001 the Taliban collapses baffling liberals around the world who said it could not be done. After all the Soviets fought for ten years and lost badly and we did it in 2 months. The war is not over but the enemy is in retreat and is forced to fight only in summer months and in small pockets of the country.

January 29, 2002 President Bush identified , , and as an “Axis of Evil” and pledges to deny them WMD. We were told that the president should not have done that, it will make these people angry at us and they might attack us. has been attacking us since 1979, has been messing with us for 50 years, is the new kid on the block with only 11 years of messing with us.

October 2, 2002 Congressional resolution in part states:

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

November 8, 2002 the United Nations Resolution 1441 demands Saddam disarm or face “grave consequences”

3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material;

March 19, 2003 the US and dozens of allied nations restart the war that had been on hold since 1991 while we waited for Iraq to comply with the deal it signed. We were told that we should not have gone in there and we should not have gone in alone. The war was illegal. Congress approved it, the UN approved it, and more than a dozen nations joined us in the fighting. To the political enemies of the president this is going it alone. We were told to expect ten thousand dead troops the first day of battle and it would take years to take .

April 9, 2003 falls to US troops. Less than 30 days, good job troops!

December 13, 2003 Saddam Hussein is pulled out of a rat hole by members of the 4th ID so much for fighting to the death to keep from being humiliated by being captured.

October 8, 2006 Thanks to President Clinton giving North Korea a nuclear power plant, the beloved leader, Kim Jong Il detonates a nuclear bomb while his people starve and he demands we supply him with more food or else.

January 10, 2007 President George W. Bush orders a troop surge in to quell the violence. Democrats declare the policy and our troops doomed to fail that same week.

If you notice since 2001 we stopped being attacked by any and all organized terrorists on our own soil, the only terror organizations out there fighting at all are , , and the PLO or whatever name they are running under now. If you recall, President Bush said that , , and were an axis of evil. Now we have Iran and North Korea as an axis of evil, Iran is not helping terrorists anymore, Iran is sort of bogged down and can’t seem to make any good hits either in Israel or the US and North Korea is starting to conform to international requests to play nice.

Every time we as a nation try to be nice to our enemies before we defeat them we are attacked. The terrorists that we are dealing with were started and funded by the under the KGB chief Yuri Andropov, as a way to counter the success of freedom and the decline of communism around the world. This was done because of the arrogance of the soviets who believed that they could control what they created. Once the monster was out of the cage they rapidly lost control and the advanced training they provided the terrorists was passed on to others completely out of their control to the point that now Russia is battling the terrorists tactics they once taught. No one is safe until the enemy is fought and defeated. Only one country is doing this successfully and that is the .

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Reply #126 Top

You have Mr. Nixon supporting Iran and building friends in the area and then you have Mr. Carter tearing down those friendships allowing terrorism to take root. Not a bad doctrine he had there.

Reply #127 Top

I think you mean the RDJTF Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force, the forerunner to USSOCOM?

I do in fact mean RDF,  the forerunner to CENTCOM.

They have all said the same thing how is this a new doctrine?

It isn't that different except in the fact that much of it refers to what was going on in Iran and Afghanistan at the time and out of it emerged RDF which is now CENTCOM.

 

 

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In 1977, a presidential directive called for a mobile force capable of responding to worldwide contingencies but to be established without diverting forces from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) or Korea. Not until the aftermath of the Iranian revolution in 1979 and the acknowledgment of a Soviet combat brigade in Cuba in that same year, however, did a concerted effort to establish the force envisioned in the directive begin. These events led to President Jimmy Carter announcing before a television audience on 1 October 1979 the existence of the Rapid Deployment Forces, or RDF. The concept was to develop forces that could operate independently, with neither forward bases nor the facilities of friendly nations; geographical areas cited as requiring such cover included Korea, the Persian Gulf, and the Middle East. Conceived as a force with a global orientation, the RDF soon focused its attention and planning on the Persian Gulf region. This narrowing of emphasis was precipitated by the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan on 26 December 1979 and the subsequent announcement of the Carter Doctrine with respect to the Gulf region in January 1980. The Carter Doctrine stated that the Persian Gulf area, because of its oil fields, was of vital interest to the United States, and that any outside attempt to gain control in the area would be "repelled by use of any means necessary, including military force."

 

Right, the RDF only had one mission in its short life. operation eagle claw. after that failure they changed the name to the RDJTF and a few months later the Marines pulled out of it. the army came up with the delta force we had fast company the navy still had the seals and the airforce did thier thing. President Reagan pulled it all together with central command and it was not until 2006 that the marines finally joined SOCOM. RDF was an utter failure. hear is why. the marines policy of rapid deployment means three days the army policy of rapid deployment was 90 days cut down from 180 days. it did not work putting the two together.

Reply #129 Top

By your silly standards then yes we have three mega bases for marines one in California, one in north Carolina, , and one in Okinawa

 Yes, there is no technical official term for "mega base", however the pentagon classifies it's facilities into one of 3 types:

MOB- Main operating base. In foreign countries often referred to as "little americas"- Permanent large base with permanent combat forces, extensive infrastructure, munitions depots, C&C, accomodations for families etc etc. This encompasses facilities such as

Aviano, Italy, Ramstein, Germany, Kadena, Okinawa, Yongsan, Seoul, soon to be replaced by Camp Humphreys which will theoretically be out of much of N. Korea's missile range.

Then there's FOB- Forward Operating Bases. The Pentagon likes to downplay their importance, as they are like MOB's only smaller with no families allowed. Personnel are rotated through every so many months. This is more akin to a "medium" size base and is facilities like Sato Cano in Honduras, Sembawang Singapore, Diego Garcia naval air station, Camp Lemonier, Djibouti.

The third type is called a "CSL"- co-operative security location- which are essentially lily pads all over the place that contain pre-positioned supplies and munitions, just add soldiers and you've got a fighting force! The Pentagon REALLY doesn't like to talk about these and downplays their importance even moreso than the FOB's- just a few of their locations are:

Ghana, Gabon, Chad, Niger, Equatorial Guinea, Mauritania, Mali, Sao Tome', Uganda, Pakistan, Thailand, the Phillipinnes, India, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria. Six are currently planned for Poland. Not too mention that the U.S had these types of facilities all over the middleast for the last two decades as well!

You have no idea how our forces are arranged or the numbers we have

Sure I do. It's easily attainable information.

Their entire military is smaller than what we have stationed in Japan.

Actually, it isn't. The Japanese Self Defense Forces are approx 250,000 active, 50,000 reserves. The U.S certainly doesn't have 300,000 personnel in Japan!

they are prohibited from any military action outside the borders of Japan and we are tasked with their defense.

They -were- prohibited but not anymore. Hence why Japan sent a military contingent to Iraq. Granted, they were in a non-combat role but it was still uniformed, Japanese military operating outside of Japanese borders.

I guess you are too busy reading wacko websites

All of the info that I've provided, I've provided my sources or links. You, Paladin, have not. You can't even provide a source to back up your "70% of Iran loves the U.S and wants to be allies".

For the record, most of my information on this topic doesn't come from "wacko websites", they come from a trilogy of books by Chalmers Johnson. His three titles are:

"Blowback"

"Sorrows of Empire"

and "Nemesis"

The author is president of the Japan Policy Research Institute and has spent a great deal of time there. It is these books that detail most of the U.S presence in Japan and how utterly pointless most of it really is.

The fact is, there is no reason why the U.S needs to have over 800 military bases and installations outside of it's own borders!

Reply #130 Top

I guess you are too busy reading wacko websites

Possibly.....if you consider PNAC a bunch of Wacko's

Reply #131 Top

You have no idea how our forces are arranged or the numbers we have

Sure I do. It's easily attainable information.

 

Yes, the information is attainable, but not easily understandable. At least for you it does not seem to be the case.

 

Their entire military is smaller than what we have stationed in Japan.

Actually, it isn't. The Japanese Self Defense Forces are approx 250,000 active, 50,000 reserves. The U.S certainly doesn't have 300,000 personnel in Japan!

 

You could be right here the last time I was in Japan was over 20 years ago and back then no one wanted to be in the self defense force.

 

they are prohibited from any military action outside the borders of Japan and we are tasked with their defense.

They -were- prohibited but not anymore. Hence why Japan sent a military contingent to Iraq. Granted, they were in a non-combat role but it was still uniformed, Japanese military operating outside of Japanese borders.

 

Nope, before one soldier could step foot outside of Japan they had to first get the Diet to provide special authorization then they had to get written permission from the USA. They were in uniform but prohibited from carrying any weapons. So the prohibition is still in place from WWII.

 

All of the info that I've provided, I've provided my sources or links. You, Paladin, have not. You can't even provide a source to back up your "70% of Iran loves the U.S and wants to be allies".

 

You are correct, it was a blurb in the news and it died quickly and I have not found it again.  The professor was fired and all his data is gone. We might find it again when Iran’s current government is over thrown.

 

The fact is, there is no reason why the U.S needs to have over 800 military bases and installations outside of it's own borders!

 

Why do you say this?

 

Possibly.....if you consider PNAC a bunch of Wacko's

 

It is a policy group pushing their policy beliefs. It is not the official government position. A lot of the things they advocate are not being put in practice in the government is proof that they are not influencing the people in power even when one is currently the Vice-President of the United States.

Reply #132 Top

MOB- Main operating base. In foreign countries often referred to as "little americas"- Permanent large base with permanent combat forces, extensive infrastructure, munitions depots, C&C, accomodations for families etc etc. This encompasses facilities such as

Aviano, Italy, Ramstein, Germany, Kadena, Okinawa, Yongsan, Seoul, soon to be replaced by Camp Humphreys which will theoretically be out of much of N. Korea's missile range.

 

Okay you have me there. The marine Corps is split into two groups MCB and FEF Marine Corps Bases are non-combatants. The Fleet Expeditionary Forces are combatants. The other branches of service are not divided like that. The Marine Corps little Americas are all in the USA. If the place you find marines is called a camp it is not a Little America. Camp Pendleton, Camp Lejeune, and the many camps on Okinawa but they are all part of one organization rather than multiple camps as stand alones. Pendleton and Lejeune are designed to accommodate families but not on Okinawa. What I am saying here is that the Marine Corps is structured differently than the other branches. You list three air force bases and one army camp and no Marine camps or bases.

Reply #133 Top

It is not the official government position

A lot of it was. Compare the versions of "National Security Strategy of the US" 2002 and 2006. When you do you will see how the policy changes have been implemted and how they have played out.

Reply #134 Top

The fact is, there is no reason why the U.S needs to have over 800 military bases and installations outside of it's own borders!



Why do you say this?