What? No mention of Morrowind in here - the best first-person RPG game by far, ever!

A shame they dropped the ball so badly with Oblivion - very pretty, but that's about the only thing good about it.



Can't argue with any in that list as great games though   

I recomend, Deeeeeeply recomend...(Sp?)
Skies of Arcadia legends, (GCN)
Tales of Symphonia (Also GCN)
I loved them both as a kid, and still to this day.

Seconding Oblivion+Morrowind.

@Kodiak888

I just want to clarify sbout my comment regarding Mass Effect. I am not saying it is a bad game. I think the plot of the game is very similar to a lot of other soap operas out there, and you can make a lot of similar comparison to Halo storywise. In terms of game mechanics, i think Halo is more exciting in the sense it throws you into the fray right from the very beginning and there are alot of plot twists and mystery along the way. Mass Effect feels so much more political and the pace is so much more slow. The first level feels way too easy and after the end of the first level, you have a good feel as what can be expected, and why the main character's role will be.

I've spent a lot of time on morrowind (elder scrolls), and it's a good game. I don't however count it as a great game because it's just to unwieldy/open ended for my liking. If you like almost completely open-ended gameplay then it's very good, but I usually need a bit more of a focus on a storyline to grab me with a game. That and I have huge issues with how they dealt with mages in morrowind (mages are usually my first choice of char in any RPG since they often have access to the most varied things, but in morrowind they're not worth bothering with since just about anything else will do a better job thanks to enchanting)

Agreed on both counts, I loved Morrowind. It just had it, and Oblivion, just did'nt.


I got Neverwinter, can't get past the character creation screen at the moment, Can't decide what sort of character I really want. So many choices!

Yeah, there are quite a lot Could narrow it down a little depending on whether you want an easy character class or a more difficult one.

Fighter types are easy in general, as is the Warlock (I finished NWN2 + MoTB with one recently, it's a fun class but definitely easy).

Casters are a bit trickier since they rely a lot on spell management because you have to rest to re-memorize. Granted, NWN2 is extremely lenient on resting, but you'll feel the sting in MoTB.

The funnest are probably multi-class characters because you can make some weird combinations. I still want to try a caster/fighter hybrid. Given enough levels, you can get a melee-buffing spell selection and with some metamagic feats get rid of casting penalty in heavy armor (though that will take up spell slots 3 levels higher I think, hence the icky part).

I want a Jedi.

So that has to be someone with innate power to move shit with his mind and do mind tricks. He also has to be superb with a sword, and wear cloth.

Not sure how I go about doing that. I was thinking of adapting a warlock but that doesn't really work for me so far as I'm not sure how to customise a character.

Sorry, no moving around stuff with your mind in NWN.

I don't remember all the dependancies, but you can try something like this:

Start as a human Rogue. They can dual-wield swords and get bonus sneak attack damage when attacking from behind (and a few other situational cases). So, they do a lot of damage.

Multiclass into a Shadowdancer prestige class (I think that's the one that gets Hide in Plain Sight at level 1. If it isn't, find the one that does :P). Just one level so you get the feat. Hide in Plain Sight will allow you to stealth in combat so you are guaranteed sneak attacks. Make sure you write down the requirements for the Shadowdancer, and get it done ASAP.

Multiclass again into a wizard or sorcerer. They do have some mind controlling spells so you would be able to charm/dominate people, but it's a small subset of their enormous spell lists. You can make a very deadly rogue with some of the spells they get.

- Wizards/socerers suffer spell casting penalties when wearing armor. Even though Rogues only wear light, I think that's still a 10% or so chance of spell failure. Take the Armored Caster feat and it should let you cast in Light armor with no spell failure.

- I said to start as human because their favored class is Any, which means they can multiclass freely without any xp penalty. Races with a favored class lose xp when their second class gets more than one level away from their favored class. So having that 1 level in Shadowdancer would drain xp from any race with a favored class.

- You'll basically be choosing to level up the Rogue or the caster side more. Rogue levels keep giving more sneak attack damage and other trap-related bonuses (mainly), and caster levels give new spell levels and more spell casts per day. So you'll have to figure out if you want to be primarily melee with a handful of spells, primarily caster with a bit of melee, or about even. Basically, just like the classes in the KoTOR games? Haha.

Well, hope this helps a bit..

Most of those games you've listed aren't RPGs.

what are you smoking... and were can we get some?

Sorry to go off track a bit, but just clearing up some errors here:



Well, any class can dual wield weapons. You just need to take the proper feats.

As for sneak attacks, you just need to be in a flanking position to land them. Not necessarily behind the creature.



Yep. Shadowdancers get HiPS at level 1. Requirements are:

Dodge, Mobility, 10 ranks in Hide, 8 ranks in Move Silently, and 5 ranks in Tumble.



There is no Armored Caster feat in the game. You can take the Still Spell feat so you don't suffer casting failure in armor, but it bumps your spell slots up to the next level.



No, it won't. Shadowdancer is a prestige class and prestige classes never contribute to an XP penalty. They're ignored when it comes to calculating XP penalties.

Any race with the 'any' favored class (Human and 1/2 Elf) or with Rogue or Wizard as the favored class will not have to worry about an XP penalty with that Rogue/WIZ/SD build. If you use SOR as the casting class, then you have a slightly narrower range of races you can choose.

Yeah, but it's pretty iconic for rogues to dual-wield. As for flanking, true and mostly that means "behind" as far as NWN2 is concerned. I did note the few situational cases, such as flat footed, etc.. but didn't want to go into specifics as KingBingo isn't an avid D&D player To be completely honest, I don't play rogues much so I'm not sure how closely NWN2 sticks to D&D rules on flanking. It certainly took a few liberties with other things



Odd, I definitely saw it with MoTB that would've allowed my Warlock to cast in Medium with no penalty, but I decided to stick to light for the higher dex bonus.



Thanks for the correction My old P&P GM didn't like prestige classes, so I didn't realize these are an exception.

Minsc will lead with blade and boot... boo will take care of the details.

Ah, the good old days. Your making me want to dig out my Baldur's Gate II discs, bad anny, bad!



Good thing I never played Halo...

That said, the writing is atrocious in Mass Effect. The comments just don't "sync up" very well in the conversations, and sometimes (a lot of the times...) what the guy actually says has minimal, if any, connection to the choice I thought I'd selected!

Edit:

Oh, and for the mage/warrior, you can get "automatic still spell" in your epic levels, take three copies of that feat and you can cast all spells up to level 9 without armor worries! (It applies 3 levels per feat, e. g. up to 3, then 6, then 9...). Untill then, either get some mithral equipment (and take the failure chance), use still spell, or just don't wear armor. Personally, I'm playing (well, was playing, I had to wipe my computer recently and forgot to back up my save...) an eldricht knight character (eldricht knight is a prestige class that lets you have decent attack bonuses and a spell progression... yum!)

I always wanted to play an Eldritch Knight. They're in Medium armor though aren't they?

It's no fun not wearing armor though.. a fighter with 35+ AC that can cast Tenser's Transformation, teeheeeeeeee.

If you want to play a jedi... try KOTOR. NWN2 is not Star wars.

But all the suggestions sound pretty good to me.... so have fun.

Exactly, but being a Jedi when your opponents are armed with a pig, and maybe a pitch-fork sounds pretty good.

But in the Star Wars world Jedi are up against opponents armed with space cannons and death-ray ships.

I'ld rather be a Jedi in NWN

You know no one has ever done a really good 'action' RPG that has awesome moves combined with a good RPG system.

Imagine Jedi Knight Academy (wall running with deadly weapons) + Assassins Creed (climbing, jumping, running) + Baldurs Gate (RPG) + Age of Conan (only for the violence and half naked grils, cough!).

I would be all over that!

Go read up on the class! The easiest way to multi to it is take a level of fighter, which gives you the heavy armor feat.

Oh, and Tenser's is *way* bugged in the current version -- it uses a transformation rather than giving bonuses, so it *sucks*. Get a user patch to fix it if your going to use it as a wizard, much less an Eldritch knight.

That's great, but it defeats the purpose entirely since only 1 level of fighter doesn't give you much in terms of melee abilities. Your BAB will still suck, etc etc. Granted Eldritch Knights still get a decent progression, but I'm talking about a generic Fighter/Wizzy If I'd ever take a PRC with that combo, it'd be a Weapon Master rather than Eldritch Knight. Fighter/Sorc/RDD sounds quite fun too.



That's worse

I would add Bioshock to the list. While it combines FPS and RPG elements, the character has to make moral decisions that affect the story-line. The setting is amazing and the plot really held my interest.

I made no moral decisions at all in Bioshock...

Will you kindly tell me what your talking about?

Just about the only one I can think of is whether to free the girls or drain them

Okay, so one of them isn't an RPG. (GTA)

You Role-Play a gangster on the rise in this Game.