WHATS THE POINT OF MP?

@ itsmevic

What is the point of forum posts (and stickies) by the developers and forum volunteers if no one cares to read them, and instead create yet another post/thread complaining about things already gone over and covered quite nicely???


1. IronClad Online is a matchmaking service, nothing is hosted by ICO. SINS is P2P. The HOST in SINS is a "host" in name only. All players in a SINS MP game run the entire simulation on their own PC, the "host" only SYNCS all of the player's games together.

2. Because of point number one (nothing being hosted by IronClad Online) people (wanting to "host") need to forward all relevant game traffic past routers/firewalls to their pc's. For those with only one NAT device (router) it can be as simple as forwarding the relevant traffic past said router and on to their computer system. Others have multiple NAT devices (a router and a cabled/dsl modem that has been configured to act as a router as well) and those setups can require a tad more attention.

My guide "Networking and SINS" (the relevant guide is the one that I wrote Feb 14th 2008 please check the file date to make sure you're using the correct one) covers all that is necessary in order to configure one's network correctly to host sins. The instructions have worked for many people so far and there is no reason they can't continue to work.


There are two exceptions to this rule:

1. People who are at university dorms etc. where they can't force a network admin to forward the relevant game-traffic to only THEIR pc.

2. People who can't be bothered to download, read and implement the instructions I've provided.

In either case, it has been pointed out MANY, MANY times now on these forums and in ICO chat, that game version 1.1 will introduce an optional NAT-T (Nat traversal) type "tunneling" netcode for SINS which (although like anything that "tunnels" past routers and firewalls is LESS secure than before) will enable both those who can't and those who won't ;p  follow the instructions in my guide to be able to host SINS games.

thanks and have a nice day!

the Monk

Why not play in games that other people are hosting? That's what I did before the Monk helped me fix my router issues. Hosts need game joiners too, ya know. Kinda silly to host if everyone else is trying to host and no one can join.

My CSG buddies and I are playing all the time. Works fine, SoaSE is easy to setup. If you want a beast try BF2142.

L8r.

I'll agree with The Monk here. I had no trouble hosting when I first started the game, and even if you do have any trouble there are plenty of guides and helpful people willing to assist you in fixing the problem.

And honestly, considering The Monk is a volunteer, I think his contributions are quite exemplary.

The Monk is a great asset to the Sins community and I thank him for supporting the game and for taking the time to discuss my issues with me (WHIPperSNAPper) on his Teamspeak server.

saving hungry children from starvation is exemplary, helping rebuild a war torn region is exemplary, running for president and winning, that's exemplary....lol, the instructions monk provided are for simple configuration, plus nobody like's a brown nosier or a knob polisher, get off monk's jock for 2 minutes if you could.

@ itsmevic

What is the point of forum posts (and stickies) by the developers and forum volunteers if no one cares to read them, and instead create yet another post/thread complaining about things already gone over and covered quite nicely???


1. IronClad Online is a matchmaking service, nothing is hosted by ICO. SINS is P2P. The HOST in SINS is a "host" in name only. All players in a SINS MP game run the entire simulation on their own PC, the "host" only SYNCS all of the player's games together.

2. Because of point number one (nothing being hosted by IronClad Online) people (wanting to "host") need to forward all relevant game traffic past routers/firewalls to their pc's. For those with only one NAT device (router) it can be as simple as forwarding the relevant traffic past said router and on to their computer system. Others have multiple NAT devices (a router and a cabled/dsl modem that has been configured to act as a router as well) and those setups can require a tad more attention.

My guide "Networking and SINS" (the relevant guide is the one that I wrote Feb 14th 2008 please check the file date to make sure you're using the correct one) covers all that is necessary in order to configure one's network correctly to host sins. The instructions have worked for many people so far and there is no reason they can't continue to work.


There are two exceptions to this rule:

1. People who are at university dorms etc. where they can't force a network admin to forward the relevant game-traffic to only THEIR pc.

2. People who can't be bothered to download, read and implement the instructions I've provided.

In either case, it has been pointed out MANY, MANY times now on these forums and in ICO chat, that game version 1.1 will introduce an optional NAT-T (Nat traversal) type "tunneling" netcode for SINS which (although like anything that "tunnels" past routers and firewalls is LESS secure than before) will enable both those who can't and those who won't follow the instructions in my guide to be able to host SINS games.

thanks and have a nice day!

the Monk




if you weren't so arrogant you might be somewhat cool.

If you weren't such a pain in the ass people may be more willing to help you...
The Monk has explained what NEEDS to be done based on how P2P protocols work. He has said that the only people who cannot therefore host are those who cannot make changes to their network as they lack the rights OR people who are too stupid to read a guide and therefore bitch and whine in countless posts on the forums about it... (that last one is you in case you couldn't work it out!!!)

Your complaints are so noted. As some have said, the next patch will include new network code to eliminate the need for port forwarding for those who are unable to do so.

As your concerns have been addressed, please avoid continuing to make threads on the same topic.

itsmevic,

1. I think you need to renew your online dictionary subscriptions....hehe

exemplary:

"worthy of imitation";

I think Legolan was suggesting that the time I've spent helping this community (especially having many people spend time with me on my TeamSpeak server to sort out their network configs) could be deemed "exemplary behavior". I wouldn't say that my guide was "exemplary" that's for sure.... ;p 


2. "knob polishing", "get off monk's jock", are you by any chance a frat-boy? hehe That's twice now you've used the term "knob-polishing" fixated on something are we?  :p  Besides, if the staff in my office decided an acceptable form of sucking-up was to include "knob-polishing"....I'm not so sure I'd object!   :HOT: 


Have a nice day!

the Monk

EDIT:
Oh, and yes I am aware that this reply of mine is purely for selfish reasons.
Even I'm allowed a "troll-post" now and then....  

lol, jesus your such a tool...

Troll.

Pot calling the Kettle!!!

You are picking a fight with the one member of the Sins Community (exluding Stardock/IronClad) that has done more to help others then anyone else - way to get people to support your point of view regardless of how valid it may or may not actually be.
BTW - what is your online handle (itsmevic as well???). Just so I know if I ever play you...

Remember the name buddy. Smell it, smell it, now take it.

If anyone ever deserved negative karma, it is you itsmevic.

I'll remember the name - you didn't answer my question.

I think this has gone on long enough. Locking thread.