Unable to host

Please refer to my guide " Networking and SINS " which can be found linked-to in my sticky at the top of the Technical forum or at the very bottom of the Technical FAQ.

Follow that my guide step-by-step and you won't have any more hosting issues.

the Monk

btw....usually reading before posting yields favourable results.

You see here is the problem what I find here with some of the people on the Sins of A Solar Empire forums that I don't find often on other RTS gaming forums such as Tauniverse.com, GPGnet.com(Supreme Commander), gamereplays.org and other sites.

You have an individual here that kindly comes here and asks a question on how to host a game. This person uses his hard earned money to buy SINS, and he happens to enjoy it. Therefore, he wants to get more enjoyment by going online and meet others who also enjoy SINS to get a friendly competitive game or two. He runs into difficulty with hosting a game. Therefore he comes to the forums to ask for help.

Now he gets this mother****** prick call the_Monk who comes in with the arrogant response of "oh go to my Networking and SINS which can be found linked...etc". He then goes on with another asinine statement of "btw....usually reading before posting yields favourable results".

Well if this..what..the_Monk guy is suposed to be "oh so damn helpful" then why don't you give the person a damn direct link to the site? Also why don't you explain to that individual in layman's terms on what he needs to do? No he does not do that but comes in with some asinie respone of "oh got to read first". Well listen? What if he can't find the information? What if he dosen't know where exactly to find information? Did pricks such as the "oh so almighty the_Monk" ever take that into consideration? You put the link on the response so that person can immediately go to it and find information. That is what you do. You don't insult the person with stupid comments and talk to the person as if he is some dummy.

You see not everyone here is some "computer expert". Not everyone here are computer professionals. You have all kinds of people here with different skills and professions. You never know the person you could be talking to can be a doctor, fireman, oh s*** a shoeshine boy. He may not have the vast computer knowledge that some of the experts here have. Therefore, for pricks such as the_Monk who talks to people as if they are lowlife subordinates should learn some stinking people skills.

A product comes out. People buy the product. Well guess what? People will have questions. And guess what? Different people will ask the same questions over and over and over and over again no matter how many links, stickies, post-it notes, websites, and any other forms of communication. Therefore, when a person promotes a product he needs to be a "people person" and be f***** patient. Apparently a lot of the people here on the Sin of A Solar Empire Site are not people persons. Well if that is the case then close the f**** forum down! Close the STINKING FORUM DOWN IF YOU GET ANNOYED BY PEOPLE WHO INNOCENTLY ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE GAME.

You know I logged onto Ironclad Online. All I saw were about 75 people. Now I go to other online multiplayer sites for some other games and this is what I see on average...

1. Age of Empires and its expansions--About an average of 1100 people. More when there is a tournament

2. Starcraft---About an average of 1000 people. More when there is a tournament

3. Supreme Commander---Average of about 850 people. More when there is a tournament.

Now when I finally, thanks to the help of some of the other members here who are not arrogant like this dumb@SS called the_Monk, they help me with my Ironclad logging in problems. I was able to log in. When I logged onto Ironclad online, I asked some of the people that come on regularly of what is the most number of people they see that are on Ironclad Online at one time. I got low numbers such 200, 250 175 and the like. Well I wonder how can a game such as Sins of A Solar Empire have such blockbuster sales and they can only get an average of 250 people on Ironclad Online to play a competitive game? Have any of the arrogant doofuses such as the_Monk ever wonder why? Well let me list some reasons.

1. Compatibility reasons

2. Inability to log on to Ironclad Online

3. Sound problem issues

4. Hosting issues

5. Unit issues

This is just some of the reasons.

Well people will have questions, they will come to the forum and hell yes, they will ask questions. S***, you have noobs comming every day. And when they ask a question about the game, all the sudden some of the people here such as that doofus the_Monk and some other prick called Hallow Man come in with condenscending comments that has no stinking benefit to the person having technical problems with the game? Now how in the flying f*** are you going to promote unity and positive attitude toward Sins of the Solar Empire with pricks such as the_Monk who berates people every damn time? Tell me? Somebody give me some solution?

I myself if it were not for a few and I STRESS A FEW people who were kind enough to help me with my problems, I would have taken SINS put it on E-Bay for sale and say screw you people here and forget this game. Well, if this site continues to have pricks such as the_Monk and Hallow man with their condenscening comments such as the quote posted on the top of this thread, and chirping like annoying birds, and berating people; take my word for it, you are not going to have a lot of people here participating in your forums. Additonally, you will never have the number of people on Ironclad Online that you see on other multiplayer gaming sites that serve other games such as Starcraft, Age of Empires and Supreme Commander if you have people with arrogant attitudes such as the_Monk and Hollow Man . Heck, you never know, you may have a who new market of noobs that you can turn into total loyal fans of the game that you alienate due to the attitude of some of the forum members such as the_Monk and Hallow Man.

And alienating people whether noob or not is not the best way to get people interested in this game. You are trying to enhance the community by making people feel welcome. You don't alienate anybody noob or not by berating him/her when he has a technical question about the game. You just don't. This explains why other games such as Supreme Commander, Age of Empires and Starcraft are so successful. They have forum members who treat people like people. They don't go and berate people like I see here all the time on Sins of A Solar Empire Forums.

Finally, if you guys want this game to survive and compete with the big boys such as Age of Empires and Supreme Commander, pull the plug on arrogant pricks such as the_Monk and Hallow man. They are doing nothing but alienating people by berating them and putting out smart comments that yield no help to the person who asks a queston about how to run the game. Also don't be surprised if Ironclad Online never goes above the average number of 250 I hear about because of doofus and arrogant forum members this Sins of A Solar Empire Forums is so infested with.

In other words, be a little patient with people here. People here like the game. Be patient with them.

@ Viewpoint

Obviously you have no idea how many (damn near 100 people now) I've invited onto my personal TeamSpeak server and given of my personal and professional time to get them hosting when they were confronted with unique networking issues I couldn't put into my guide or it wouldn't have been applicable to all.

I've been patient to the tune of several hundered un-paid hours, the least you could have done was a damn forum search!

Good day!


the Monk


an aside... I consider peppering a forum with links to an offsite hosted guide I prepared to be bad net-etiquette, especially when the information I provided in my initial response was sufficient to locate said link.

@ Viewpoint


What? No response? I thought not....you have no idea the amount of personal/professional time I've invested into this community.

An apology for those choice names you called me would be nice though, and just might go a ways in ensuring I will continue to give of myself to this community.


the Monk

Viewpoint's "forum newbie" grace period is wearing out pretty quick it seems. Few days and he's already flamed two of the more prominent community members, and gotten one thread locked

Perhaps he will realize that pointing to a forum sticky that addresses the original concern (and more) is a valid response, and that the note informing the poster that if he'd looked for the information that was readily and easily available he would've gotten it to work without waiting for anyone to answer.

That said, calling someone like the_Monk arrogant is pretty much equivalent to committing suicide on these forums. Anyone who's been here for any length of time, especially around launch, knows how helpful he's been - your ignorance doesn't give you much basis on which to flame him.

Thank you Annatar for coming to my defence. I can't believe how my posts can be so misconstrued by some. No matter, I will continue to do what I do best... helping people with networking.

Maybe someday we'll play each other Anny and you can teach me the game!  ;p  hehe


the Monk

Hey Monk , dont listen to fools like viewpoint. You have been very helpful to the community and im sure the people who matter - Ironclad and Stardock are very appreciative.

I sympathesise actually with your situation where you are an expert in your field but you have to communicate in lay-speak to the masses. I study Dentistry where Im actually trained to communicate and empathise with lay people , and its suprisingly a very difficult skill. Explaining things to colleagues in the same field is so much easier.

Its ironic how viewpoint talks of people having limitations in skills , then just blurts how you should learn people skills.

You know let me emphazise a few points.

1. I never said that the_Monk did not provide a valuable help to the forums here. What I'm saying is that experts such as the_Monk and Hollow Man, albeit donating their valueable time and expertise with no pay are arrogant people that berate the new player. They don't have to berate people when the same questions about the game comes up. They can be understanding that some of the people who come here for help don't have one solitary f***** clue what they are doing. Not everyone here is a computer expert. That is why I say provide direct links so that new person can get the informatin quick and make sure it is easy to understand. That is all I'm saying here.

2. In regards to your quote about being able to communicate to people in layman's terms, here is my quote to the_Monk about this....



Now what did I say in that passage P5yy? I told him to try to explain in layman's terms to people who have questions about the game. I said that in my passage. In other words I kindly request that you to read what I acutally said before you comment on what I said.

3. You claim you study Dentistry. Well, there are people here who study the health field as well. Therefore, when going into forums don't claim that you are the only person who do what you actually do.



the_Monk:









Again, I never said that you did not help anyone. When did I say this? What I'm saying is that don't berate people. All I'm saying that assume you are talking to someone who knows nothing about the game, needs help and comes to the forums for help. You never know this guy could have logged on the first time. How on earth will he know how to do a search? Better yet new threads are being developed everyday. What happens if you thread is all the way down the list? Do you think that one frustrated player comes here and he wants to shuffle through 500 or so entries to find what he needs help on? No. That is why I say provide a direct link. Also don't make the guy feel stupid if he ask a question? What maybe the trillionth time you were asked a question about SINS could maybe the the first time that new person is asking the same question.

Don't take it out on him if he does not understand. Also don't berate him if he can't understand the computer terminology and jargon that is so heavily used here.

Also put it in layman's terms. That is all I'm saying. You, Hollow Man and others are too condenscending, berating and insulting of new members. You got to be patient.

New people will be comming everyday. So of course the same questions will be asked everyday. There is not need to berate or insult the the person's intelligence who may not know or how to access the information you provided. Also don't berate the person if he does not understand the information you provided or have difficulty applying it.

2. You claim you put in hundreds of unpaid professional hours on this site. Okay you did. Well this is a forum, whatever information you volounteer is going to be altruistic. If you are so worried about "unpaid professional hours" than what is your ulterior motive? That is something that should be understood.






[ To Ironclad and Stardock officials

By no means I'm not trying to start a flame war. Also by no means I'm trying to cut people down such as the_Monk and Hollow man for donating their valuable time in helping others enjoy what I consider a phenomenal game. I'm only criticizing them for berating players and having smart remarks when a person comes to the forum with technical problems. I'm just voicing my concerns that such a fun game like Sins of A Solar Empire, have so many diffuculties in hosting a game, joining a game, compatabilty issues, lag issues, registration issues and the like.

I go to Ironclad online and there are a lot of frustrated people online. Heck at one point I was frustrated and came to the forums here for help. I got the help that I needed and I'm satisfied with it. Now, when I go to Ironclad online, half the people can't host a game and then another half of people can't join a game. So now you got a bunch of people begging other people to host a game and others want to join a game. This leads basically to no competitive games being played. That gets very frustrating. How can Ironclad Online host a bustling online multiplayer gaming community when some people can't host, some people can't register and some people can't join? Of course you going to get frustration. And enough frustration can cause that new fan not to come back and take his chances on other RTS games.

When I went to Ironclad online, I asked some of the people why they can't host, or they can't join. I hear things about ports, anitspyware programs, anitvirus programs and the like. I also hear rumors that Ironclad online is not a legitimate server because the host, if he can host, acts as his/her own server when he/she hosts a game.

Now I'm not a computer expert by any means. Additonally, I'm not as computer saavy as some of you are. However, given this rumor that the host, if he can host is his own server on Ironclad Online is true, then is it true the Ironclad Online is not a legitimate multiplayer server to run Sins of A Solar Empire? Is this the reason besides port problems, and computer security problems of why people can't host or join a game?

Now given what I hear that the host acts as its own server on Ironclad Online to play a multiplayer game is true, than what is the deal with Ironclad games not having a legitimate server? So you are telling me that with all the high and positive critical acclaim of this gam, you guys at Ironclad Games can't afford a legitimate server to make it easier for the gamer to host or join a multiplayer game on Ironclad Online to play Sins of a Solar Empire? That is downright crazy and cheap of you guys.

As stated earlier, I'm not a computer expert. However, if you guys at Stardock and Ironclad Games can't get a legitimate server, like the makers of other RTS games that have legitimate servers that are easy to host and to join, then why waste time having a multiplayer server at all? You guys at Ironclad games can't take a small portion of your profits and allocate it to a legitimate server which eliminates or at least reduce the difficulties of hosting and joing a game? Wow that is very dissappointing.

In all, it is very sad that I come to Ironclad Online, and having people who play as many as 50 or more games begging a noob such as me to host a game. You guys at Ironclad Games and Stardock Publishers need to remedy this problem. If you guys can't remedy this hosting problem, and this rumor that the host is his/her own server, because Ironclad Online is not a legitimate server is true, then the multiplayer community will never grow beyond the 250 maximum people that I hear are on at one time.

Basically if it is true that the host has to act as a server than fix this problem so the host dosen't have to act as his own server, which in turn can solve a lot of difficulties that Ironclad Online has.

@ Viewpoint

Interesting! What in my initial reply (reply #1) to the OP was "berating" exactly? I gave him help for his issue, so maybe my somewhat "cheeky" suggesting that he could have found the help himself in a sticky had he looked?

I can, as can many others point out quite a few "berating" and downright derogatory comments aimed at myself courtesy of your post however.(reply #2). Still no apology forthcoming huh?


I stand behind my efforts (patience ) with this community, and I'm sure you will find others do as well.


Have a nice day!

the Monk