Where Did Racism Come From?

Not From God but From Man

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Many know and recognize Charles Dawin's book, "Origin of Species" written in 1859 that brought the whole Evolutionary Science to the forefront.  But how many know the real title of the book?  Do you recognize this? 

 On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life,

How many know this?  This was the original title.  How many know that Darwin was not only a Racist but also believed women were inferior to men?  It blows my mind that people follow this man and his writings without even knowing anything about the man who started it all.   How many know that Hitler and his Nazi's took Darwin's beliefs to heart and therefore had much to do with what we know today as the Holocaust? 

If I were to ask you how many races are there, how many would you say?  20?  30?  50? Hundreds? 

From a  biblical POV there is only one race; the human race. Race is an evolutionized term.  It's too bad the churches didn't realize this.  Some do, many still do not.  Many churches today still have on their books a law against interracial marriages.  Why?  It's not coming from scripture.  Scripture doesn't recognize races.  Tribes?  Yes.  Nations?  Yes.  There is no forbidden different races to marry.  Moses married a black woman.   Rhab and Ruth, both in the geneology of Christ were from different races  marrying into the Jewish Faith yet they were two of only four women mentioned in the gospel lineage of Christ. 

Our speaker at the AIG conference said he was recently denied to speak at a church because he had been married for 25 years to a Japanese woman.  Happily married to one woman but since she was  Japanese the by-laws of this particular church forbid it or the Pastor would be asked to leave the church.   Sad.

If we would only learn to look at people groups thru the lens of God's word and not thru the lens of man's opinions.  How much nicer this world would be. 

If there is no Jesus, then there is no equality.  If there is Jesus then there is equality because Jesus is the Creator and we are all created equal.  But even the Christians did err for not knowing the scriptures.  In a Southern Baptist Church in 1856 a half breed was not allowed to be buried in a church cemetary.  They were a pretty racist group all in themselves.  Darwin just helped them along.  Many don't realize that it was the Christians who rode in under Darwin's coattails while the Scientists stood back not supporting him hardly at all.  In fact some loudly protested his findings.  It wasn't until after the 1930's when the new younger Scientists came along that his theory was accepted in large by the Scientific community. 

So many stories on racism thru the years.  How many know or have read about Africans put on display in Zoos?  Have you ever read about the world's fair in St. Louis in 1904 when a black pygmy boy was put on display?  Happend all the time.  I recently read a story about this also in NY in 1906. 

From an evolutionist POV this belief of superiority is hardwired into our brain.  The Boston Globe reporting about Bosnia and Bio-Politics said that the cause of the bloodbath over there "lies in our genes."  They said it's genetic.  It couldn't be sin could it?  

In England I remember a story about this Musem holding bones of the blacks keeping them for Science.  When they were requested for burial they refused.  Blacks were not treated as human by many. 

How about sterilization?  Ever hear of that?  How many know that in the United States alone over 64,000 people were sterilized right up until the 1970's?   Many might remember Hitler ordering this forced sterilization to over 400,000 people but not many know the United States  was behind such a horrid program.

 This was all done in the name of Eugenics or the support of improving the human race by sterilizing those who maybe were non-white, sick with disease, had epilepsy or were feeble minded.  How did one know if someone was feeble minded or not?  Ever hear of the SAT test?  Yep, used for measuring intelligence.  How scary is that?   Ever hear of the bell curve linking intelligence with race?  

Forced sterilization was done also in the prison system.  I heard Indiana started this in the prison system 100 years ago by sterilizing some of the inmates.  From 1924-79 Virginia sterilized 8,000 people alone.

In 1967 there was a law against interracial marriage in 16 states until 1967 in a Supreme Court case Loving vs. Virginia.  http://www.diversityinc.com/public/1982.cfm  Many, my age or older can probably remember these days quite well. 

So how could we, as a Christian Nation pass these laws?  Where is the equality the scriptures preach about?  Why aren't we listening? What happened?  From what I can ascertain even the churches were consistent with the world view turning away from the biblical world view.  They were viewing man's opinion as higher than God's opinion. 

What does the bible say about the feeble minded?  We sterilized them.  Germany executed them but yet scripture says we are to comfort them. 

The bible says it's not the externals that matter.  It's all about internals.  It's not about skin color. Large earlobes, large noses or slanted eyes are the same as skin color.  These are genetic traits and should not be used to make one inferior to another.

Will we ever learn? 

 

 

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

How many know that Darwin was not only a Racist but also believed wormen were inferior to men?

You mean like the Bible tells us?  Women must lie beneath the man and subject themselves to his will. 

By the way...race is a construct of society, NOT A SCIENTIFIC CLASSIFICATION!  The closest science comes to race is a subspecies like the eastern and western bluebirds.

Very nice way to support Godwin's Law.  :)  Darwin=Hitler!  Scary, evolution must be wrong!

Nazis were Nazis...leave it at that.  Just because they used something to justify their atrocities doesn't make the idea itself evil.  They also believed in organic food...is that inherently evil?

 

Survival of the fittest doesn't mean inherent worth is better...it deals with what is able to survive and reproduce successfully.  There's nothing racist about it.  Society is caught up on race, that's the issue and as with anything they look for justification for it in whatever they can.

~Zoo

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Did you ever see the movie Idiocracy? If not, go rent it.

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Did you ever see the movie Idiocracy? If not, go rent it.


It's a scary movie. :(

~Zoo
Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

Did you ever see the movie Idiocracy? If not, go rent it.

No, but I want you both to go see "Expelled when it comes out in April.  But com'on SC you can do better than this.  Give me some feedback here. 

The closest science comes to race is a subspecies like the eastern and western bluebirds.

Then why the original title?  Did you NOT know that Darwin was a racist? 

By the way...race is a construct of society,

I agree with that. 

You mean like the Bible tells us? Women must lie beneath the man and subject themselves to his will.

Did you read this article Zoo?  Didn't I just say the beliefs of men here were not coming from the bible?  Where does it say in the bible women were inferior?  Jesus, in fact elevated women quite often.  It was to women he first showed himself after the resurrection.  The men didn't or wouldn't believe them because of the culture but scripture NEVER puts women down.  In fact there are some pretty good strong women stories in scripture.

I can see you're probably trying to throw in the "submission" thing?  Do you even understand the context to that?  It has nothing to do with inferiority by the way.  No more than Jesus was being submissive to his father's will which he kept telling us.  No more than we are to submit to one another in love.  It has to do with roles, not superiority.  A woman is "superior" to man when it comes to childbearing, right?  Does that make her better because she can give birth and men can't? 

So show me where women are inferior to men in scripture.  I can show you where it does say that we are all equal.  Men, women, slave, and free.  All are created equal.  Abraham Lincoln knew that and wrote about it.  It doesn't mean man listened but scripture says differently. 

 

 

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's a scary movie.


Yeah, but you'll never laugh so hard at being scared so badly. It's the most horrifyingly humorous movie EVER MADE.

Okay, I'm really done. Just waiting.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Tee hee! Yes I agree with Zoo, equating evolution with racism is a bit of a stretch indeed.

The bible practically does preach different races, namely the divide between jews and gentiles. According to the bible they are God's chosen people. Why? Why is a specific cultural group of humans more favoured than all other humans by the creator of the entire universe? Because some people a few thousand years ago made some decisions that pleased the creator of the universe and because of it their offspring are the chosen ones for the rest of time? Sounds kind of fishy to me.

Let's get this straight right away, I'm about as far away from being anti-semitic or racist as possible, but let's explore this-

In order for the Jews to be God's chosen people (across multiple generations), it has to be because of their genetic heritage passed on between generations. If it was simply because of culture, morals or religion anyone could convert to the Jewish culture/faith and be recognized as a jew. While you can marry into the culture and can convert to the religion, you're never really a 'real' jew, because you don't have the blood in you.

There is a divide in the bible between gentile and jew, and the only way to be a jew is to be born into it. So therefore, it has to be because of something unique in their genetics. That, or it's simply because their forebears made such great decisions in their short lifespans that God decided to reward them and their offspring for the rest of time. Yeeeeah, I'm sure the creator of the universe decided to do that.

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

Sorry SC...can't watch it and you're gonna laugh at me.....(what's new?):P   but......do you know why?  I just checked it out online and found out it was R rated.  I don't see R rated movies unless it's historical as in historical violence only. 

Can you tell me why it's scary/funny tho.  I'm naturally curious. 

I just found this on Wiki to go along with the Loving Vs Virginia story

In 1966, the Presbyterian Church took a strong stand stating that they do not condemn or prohibit interracial marriages. The church found "no theological grounds for condemning or prohibiting marriage between consenting adults merely because of racial origin". Months before the Supreme Court ruling on Loving v. Virginia the Roman Catholic Church joined the movement, supporting interracial couples in their struggle for recognition of their right to marriage.

 

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

There is a divide in the bible between gentile and jew

Yes, but you're mixing up the spiritual with the physical.  The reason for the divide was religion.  The only thing we are told to do is to NOT marry outside our faith.  In other words we are to be equally yoked spiritually.  It says nothing about race. 

Again, it's about internals not externals.  See the difference? 

 

 

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Yes I agree with Zoo, equating evolution with racism is a bit of a stretch indeed.

Unfortunately in todays society (American), people associate the message with the messenger.  I think it is stupid as well.  Just because a person has bad traits does not mean that their work - in whatever field- is then descended from that bad trait.  Yet we do it all the time.

We must examine the work for itself and decide whether it is flawed by the prejudices.  Not throw it out because we do not agree with the views of the researcher.  But I hold out no hope for that happening as we have even seen here recently.

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

Not many people know that the National Birth Control League was co-opted by Margaret Sanger, a well-known supporter of Hitler's "purification" plans.  She changed the organization's name and goal.  Under her leadership, "Planned Parenthood's" goalwas to reduce the number of Black people (and other "unfit" people) in America.

“It now remains for the United States government to set a sensible example to the world by offering a bonus or a yearly pension to all obviously unfit parents who allow themselves to be sterilized by harmless and scientific means. In this way the moron and the diseased would have no posterity to inherit their unhappy condition. . . . [A]sk the government to first take off the burdens of the insane and feebleminded from your backs. Sterilization for these is the remedy”  ~~Margaret Sanger on the Federal Government's role in eugenics.

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Here's more to go with what Ted said: 

Darwin and his disciples were not only pseudo-scientists, but they were also radical, rabid racists! Ernst Haeckel was a German biologist, and a contemporary of Darwin, who laid the foundation of racism and imperialism that resulted in Hitler's racist regime.

Edward Simon, a Jewish biology professor at Purdue University, wrote, "I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution brought on the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the theory of evolution, and the atheism it engendered, led to the moral climate that made a holocaust possible."

The major haters of the last 100 years have been evolutionists. Men like Nietzsche (who often said God was dead, called for the breeding of a master race, and for the annihilation of millions of misfits), Hitler, Mussolini, Marx, Engels, and Stalin were all outspoken evolutionists, and these people and their theories have been responsible for the slaughter of multi-millions of people, and the destruction of freedom all over the earth. It is amazing that so many liberals, radicals, fascists, communists and the easily impressed worship at Darwin's shrine.

Yes, the foundation of racism, hatred and violence in the last hundred years is based in evolutionary teaching.

For the whole article go here:  http://www.cstnews.com/Code/BasisForRacism.html

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Plenty of racism, hatred, and violence has been based on false religious teachings, too, which I'm sure some kind person will come and point out as if we believed that the inquisition or the crusades were a good idea...
Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

but they were also radical, rabid racists

So too were much of the clergy of "the new world" Which decided that many of the native cultures were savages and needed to be forcefully converted, wiped out or controlled, whether by the sword or other means of coercion.

Millions of aboriginals were wiped out or enslaved in Africa and the Americas long before Darwins' work had permeated much of popular western schools of thought.

And, there were the crusades of course in which the European empires decided that Jesus wanted them to go on a rambo-esque rampage through the holy land. Cause' you know he was only kidding when he said love your neighbour as yourself- what he REALLY meant to say was take what you want and stomp the daylights out of anyone who gets in your way! At least, that's the way the church seemed to be selling it in those days.

Now does this mean I'm anti-christian? Not at all. What it does mean is that people will always try to take a concept and twist it to make it fit or justify their ideological beliefs. Evolution, yes, has been used as an excuse to do terrible things but so have multiple religious and political systems down through the ages.

The spanish inquisition was one such church sponsored gem in which lotsa people were rounded up and tortured to confess (and then killed). Lotsa love was in the room there!

These are also the same folks who killed Galileo for stating that the earth revolved around the sun.

But anywho- at it's core, there is absolutely nothing racist about evolution. It's a theory, and actually doesn't contravene creationism or preach inequality at all. Darwin was actually a pretty religious guy. He was just trying to explain the mechanism behind how we got here. As to his personal beliefs about other races, I can't speak to it. If he was a racist, than that is indeed sad, and is not defensible in any way. Truth is down through history most citizens of empires that were expanding their reaches have always been pretty racist. It's difficult to justify expanding one's empire through war, slavery and subjugation if you see other cultures as equal human beings.

What we do know for sure is that the world is a heck of a lot older than 5,000 years. And no, the dinosaurs were not wiped out at the same time that noah climbed into his ark- they were here looong before men were. And no, man has definitely not been here since a few days after the beginning of the world. Woulda been a tad too hot for us, and we would have had to be able to survive on an iron-rich diet of molten magma for millions of years..... hhhhmmmm...... magma......

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
which I'm sure some kind person will come and point out as if we believed that the inquisition or the crusades were a good idea...


Reply #13
Artysim


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Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Then why the original title? Did you NOT know that Darwin was a racist?

I don't care if he was racist or not.  His ideas and theories are the important meat of the matter.  What does his being racist have to do with the theory of evolution?  Not a darn thing.

I can see you're probably trying to throw in the "submission" thing? Do you even understand the context to that? It has nothing to do with inferiority by the way.

Now...the Bible has women submit to men.  To be submissive.  This gives men power over women...more power= more superiority. 

You don't see many(if any) stories focused on women and what they do to contribute to God's word.  They either play a supporting character or a vague one dimensional aside.  No story comes to mind where the woman was in control, where she called all the shots, spread the gospel.  Seems to me God always talked to the man...man always came first: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus and all the apostles, and many many more.  All I ever hear them mentioned as is baby carriers or a cause of conflict.

Not very "empowering."  Also there's the entire practice of slavery.  How is a slave equal to an owner again? 

Here's a nice bit from Leviticus equating slaves to property...not people, but possessions.

25:44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that [are] with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

Equality, huzzah!

~Zoo

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

Good article KFC.

Racism is a social consequence of Evolution. 

Our opinions about our origins definitely affect the way we think.

Dr. Walt Brown wrote about the connection of racism to evolution in that evolution has provided the main rationale for racism.

It goes like this...ifhumans evolved from some apelike creature, then some people must have andanced higher on theevolution ladder than others. Some classes of people should be inherently superior to others. That was the twisted logic of Hitler.

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Racism is a social consequence of Evolution.


There was racism long before Darwin's theories were published...hate to burst your bubble.

~Zoo
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

You mean like the Bible tells us?  Women must lie beneath the man and subject themselves to his will.

Darwin was a creature of his time. Many then believed in Biblical stories of man's superiority over women.

 

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Many then believed in Biblical stories of man's superiority over women.

Some still do.  But the key words you used is "many believed."  The scriptures don't teach this but again, if you take scripture out of context you can make them say anything you'd like them to say.  That's why I'm always preaching...context, context, context. 

There was racism long before Darwin's theories were published...hate to burst your bubble.

This is true Zoo.  But also remember the Evolution Bus wasn't started with Darwin.  He just made it popular.  I do think Evolution was used as an excuse for those who did believe in the superiority of Whites. 

But yet no one has really answered why the original title of Origin of Species?  What was Darwin trying to tell us with this very Racist Title?

 

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

Zoo posts:

There was racism long before Darwin's theories were published...hate to burst your bubble. ~Zoo

Zoo, all I'm attempting to point out is  that evolution has provided the main rationale for justifying racism. Today, the word "race" has come to mean groups of people with distinguishing characteristics such as skin color, shape of eyes and texture of hair.  I think you'll find that this new meaning arose with the growing acceptance of Evolutionism in the late 1800s.

Those differences are not a repudiation of the unity of the human family due to their origin from the same first parents, Adam and Eve according to Genesis. Creationists have a different historical perspective. It's that we all descended from Adam and Eve.  Evolution has painted a different picture. According to it,  man supposedly evolved from some ape-like ancestor, and some early humans branched off sooner than others having different mental, physical and behavorial characteristics. This is racism, pure and simple, a highly prejudicial school of thought that dehumanizes human beings.

KFC said it and soimeone else as well...There is only one race..the human race...but the word 'race" is a social concept, not a scientific one.  There are nofundamental differences in our structures. All humans bleed when pricked and laugh when tickled.

Way too many people in the world are sorely confused about the so-called races....this prejudice has caused great division...aside from what KFC has already mentioned in her article...wars and genocide,

Christianity teaches the doctrine of the unity of the human family and the resultant brotherhood of the people of all races, due to their descent from Adam and Eve. Adam from whom Eve was made represents the head, and the unity of origin, of mankind.

  

 

 

 

 

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

But yet no one has really answered why the original title of Origin of Species? What was Darwin trying to tell us with this very Racist Title?

While no one is saying that all those who believe in Evolution are racists, Darwin and many ofhis followers were. Darwinism's Godless "muddy slime to man" evolution theory provides a rationALE TO justify racism. While racism is unpopular today at least openly, however, in Darwin's day, it seemed to be acknowledged as the title of his book suggests.

 

Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

You don't see many(if any) stories focused on women and what they do to contribute to God's word. They either play a supporting character or a vague one dimensional aside. No story comes to mind where the woman was in control, where she called all the shots, spread the gospel. Seems to me God always talked to the man...man always came first: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus and all the apostles, and many many more. All I ever hear them mentioned as is baby carriers or a cause of conflict.

Zoo...wow I am shocked you can draw this conclusion from the Bible...From the VERY FIRST woman in the Garden, all thw way through the Bible Women are given equal treatment.  In the biggest way was Mary....Her blood flowed in Jesus' veins...he was a descendant of David through Mary by blood, through Joseph by name (since conceived by the Holy Spirit).  My favorite is the woman at the well.  Jesus went to her, spoke to her, she had a date with destiny and he spoke to her as an equal, not as a submissive.

IF you want a list...I can get one for you.  Women of the Bible rock, even the bad girls.

Wow, I didn't know any of this about Darwin KFC...of course I never really looked into it.

 

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

But yet no one has really answered why the original title of Origin of Species? What was Darwin trying to tell us with this very Racist Title?
 

Well, I'm just going to assume that he was telling everyone that he was very racist. :)  However, racism was an accepted social norm at the time...so it's not like anyone would be shocked.

And as with any people with a certain belief, they'll look for justification for it in whatever they can. (Much like you look for proof of a "common designer") They took evolution scrambled the meaning and used it as a "base" for their racist thoughts.  Everyone feels better when they have something to back it up...even if it is faulty logic. 

From the VERY FIRST woman in the Garden

Yeah...but who was the one that had to obey Adam? Her.  Who was the one Satan manipulated? Her.  Who got Adam to eat the fruit along with her? Her. 

Of course the man could never be tricked...unless the woman was involved, you see.  Through this story it was woman who caused all of humanity's ills. 

In the biggest way was Mary....Her blood flowed in Jesus' veins

Like I said in that piece you quoted.  Baby carriers or supporting characters.  All Mary did was serve as a vessel.  She didn't to have any say in it.  If you want to put it bluntly, she was used without any consultation.

Jesus was born...and he was male.  Who came to vist? Wise MEN.

My favorite is the woman at the well. Jesus went to her, spoke to her, she had a date with destiny and he spoke to her as an equal, not as a submissive.

Well, one would hope so.  If Jesus, the son of God, was a jerk, then we're all screwed.

By the way...why wasn't Jesus female?  And to go beyond that, why is God portrayed as male?  Wouldn't it make more sense for God to be seen as female?  Giving life and all that?  Just a thought.

Sure, Tova...if you can find me a decent sampling of women who were portrayed as main characters and not as instigators of evil or only carriers of children...then please, go right ahead. 

Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

~Zoo

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

To add to what Tova has said Zoo.  Check out John Chapter 4  (like Tova mentioned) and read about the woman at the well. If you notice, this was one strong lady who had 5 husbands (not a good thing).  She not only held her own against Christ but she was the instrument used to tell the men of Samaria about this man who knew everything about her.  They believed her and came running.

Samaria was a town that was known for accepting Christ,  having many converts coming from it, when his own hometown and the city of Jerusalem would not listen to him. 

But there are so many other very strong ladies in scripture...here's a few...Sarah, Rebekah, Eve (of course) Rahab, Hannah Deborah (who was a judge and warrior) Esther (who saved her nation) Ruth (who brazenly picked her man) Michael (David's wife-bad girl) and don't forget Abigail who later married David.  She saved her current husband's butt big time.  The most memorable to me is Jaal who pushed two tentpegs into a bad King's skull while he slept and saved the day.  But you can also read about a main character called Jezabel who ruled with an evil hand and who do you think was stronger......Samson or DELIAH? 

and you thought the bible was boring?  Here's more. 

  Then in the NT there is Mary, Dorcas, Priscilla (strong) Mary Magdelene, the Samaritan woman and last but not least we should never forget the Proverbs 31 woman whom most of us readily admit we can NEVER measure up to.

Zoo, you've just proven that you have fallen for man's lies.  You take the WOG and hold it up to disprove it against man's opinion.  Christians, on the other hand measure man's opinion against what the WOG says and that includes Evolution.  So it really comes down to one thing...who are you going to trust?  Man or God?  It's funny that Psalm 118:8 is the direct center of the bible.  Check it out.  It should give you some food for thought anyhow.

 Admittedly, we Christians are becoming more and more illiterate.  We don't even know our own book thanks in part to preachers who are not preaching like they should.   We need to get ourselves literate so we can demolish these strongholds on those who have no idea what the bible really says. 

If we don't know the truth, how can we spot the lie when it crops up? 

 

Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sure, Tova...if you can find me a decent sampling of women who were portrayed as main characters and not as instigators of evil or only carriers of children...then please, go right ahead.
Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.


KFC has an awesome sampling. I especially like Ruth because she saw what she wanted and went after it.

There are different kinds of power. For instance child bearing is power. If all women all over the world decided no more kids, heh, then humans would fade away. Of course if all men all over the world decided not to uhem, donate sperm, then mankind would fade away.

Now consider the home, your own mom and dad. How would your life be if your mom left you at birth and your dad never remarried? All the things your mom taught you would be missing, or at the very least delayed.

I know there are exceptions, but in most homes the mother is the one who does most of the child rearing. Even if both parents work, moms are the ones who "usually" are more involved...ya know the saying, "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world?"

Power.

When I am told to "obey" my husband in scripture, its doesn't say ...lay down, be a doormat. I am to obey him, as he obeys Christ. God is really smart. He knew from the beginning that you can't have too many chefs in the kitchen and a cohesive family.

As another example, many AF bases may have two men with the same rank running the base.

There may be a two star general in charge of the flight line side of the base, and a two start general in charge of the services side. Both are equal, but one is ACCOUNTABLE for the performance of the entire base to the Air Force/DOD.

Technically the one who isn't accountable falls under the one who is...but that doesn't make him weaker, less powerful, or anything like that.