reply to Dharma's - Garden of Angels post
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I read that post by Dharma which made me cry and I went to the link and it broke my heart - especially that letter. Anyway I was talking on MSN to a friend of mine I've blanked out her name for anonymity 
but that conversation just made me so mad!!! I just felt she was being so apathetic because she's got a house a husband and child (as do I)
**** says:
hey
trina says:
http://www.gardenofangels.org go here - it broke my heart
**** says:
k
**** says:
u all set for tonight?
trina says:
well kinda
**** says:
kinda?
trina says:
well nicks picking up sausages and bread rolls and tomato sauce on his way home tonight and my house is vaguely clean - apart from you know toys and stuff all over the floor
trina says:
and the tv works which is a good thing
**** says:
hehe cool
**** says:
that is a pretty sad (as in upsetting) website
**** says:
how could someone do that? gee
trina says:
i know!!! but isnt she great - i wonder if theres anything like that here
**** says:
yeah i don't know - seems very american!
trina says:
it shouldnt be
**** says:
yeah i know
trina says:
it should be everywhere
**** says:
yeah
**** says:
it doesn't happen so much here though
trina says:
problem is a lot of aussies suffer from Nimby
**** says:
if people don't want their baby, they have an abortion
**** says:
what is nimby?
trina says:
not in my backyard
**** says:
no
**** says:
it's ok - you have a beautiful baby that you want and love! she will never be rejected
trina says:
that's the point ****
trina says:
thats nimby
trina says:
as long as it's not happening to me its okay
**** says:
no it's not ok, but there isn't a whole lot we can do about it
trina says:
i have a baby who i love so i dont have to worry about the baby found in the dumpster
trina says:
why?
**** says:
ok well what is your plan then
trina says:
that lady in america didnt think that - look at all she did
**** says:
i guess, but i don't know that happens a lot here!
trina says:
i don't know - i don't think i'm strong enough to make a plan - but i'm just saying - we all should care
**** says:
people don't throw away their babies here
**** says:
yes of course
trina says:
it does - even if it's only happened once in 5 years its happened- and what did she do with the body?
**** says:
buried it
**** says:
what i'm trying to say is that once in 5 years isn't much of a market to start a company up for
**** says:
i'm not trying to be mean, but it just doesn't happen so much here
**** says:
and if/when it does, those people get found and in heaps of trouble
trina says:
not a company ***
trina says:
i dont want to make money
**** says:
oh i know
**** says:
but it's not much of an organisation if there is only 1 baby in 5 years
**** says:
it wouldn't be taken seriously here
**** says:
that's what i mean by it's very american
**** says:
'cause there are such sickos there
**** says:
and a lot of people there are totally unrealistic - they throw their babies away!
trina says:
they just didnt have other options
**** says:
we have a welfare system here - people want to keep their babies so they get more money
**** says:
exactly, which is why that organisation is good in america
trina says:
i didnt say there WAS a need for it - i was just interested in if we had one and if there was a need - i know ive heard reports but i'm never sure of the details after i hear about babies
**** says:
hehe ok, you are right it would be interesting to see if there was one here
Okay so I did some research and she's pretty right - baby dumping doesnt happen an awful lot here - it's child abuse that occurs here babies that already have names and are supposedly "wanted" because as **** said if women don't want their babies they have an abortion which I thought was a crock but didn't have the statistics to back it up - I can't count the amount of girls I went to school with who have at least 1 if not more children - beginning with the girl in grade 9 who dropped out to have a baby and has since had 3 others. I also know of a few who did have an abortion.
Plus as **** said we have welfare here - girls have babies just to get money - it is true - i know some - and its sad and some of these girls genuinely love their babies
I'm just flawed at the apathy -- and I'm not sure the word I'm looking for but **** told me that there wasn't a "market" for that type of "business" it wouldn't be well received - no what was the phrase? "it wouldn't be taken seriously"
Patch Addams wasn't taken seriously either, neither were some of the greatest heroes/heroines of our time - I'm sure people looked at Debi Faris whne she first started up and thought she was nuts - I'm sure she had alot of doors closed on her by people suffering from NIMBY.
I don't know what I'm writing this for except because it was too long to put in Dharma's comment box and I felt so strongly about it
but that conversation just made me so mad!!! I just felt she was being so apathetic because she's got a house a husband and child (as do I) **** says:
hey
trina says:
http://www.gardenofangels.org go here - it broke my heart
**** says:
k
**** says:
u all set for tonight?
trina says:
well kinda
**** says:
kinda?
trina says:
well nicks picking up sausages and bread rolls and tomato sauce on his way home tonight and my house is vaguely clean - apart from you know toys and stuff all over the floor
trina says:
and the tv works which is a good thing
**** says:
hehe cool
**** says:
that is a pretty sad (as in upsetting) website
**** says:
how could someone do that? gee
trina says:
i know!!! but isnt she great - i wonder if theres anything like that here
**** says:
yeah i don't know - seems very american!
trina says:
it shouldnt be
**** says:
yeah i know
trina says:
it should be everywhere
**** says:
yeah
**** says:
it doesn't happen so much here though
trina says:
problem is a lot of aussies suffer from Nimby
**** says:
if people don't want their baby, they have an abortion
**** says:
what is nimby?
trina says:
not in my backyard
**** says:
no
**** says:
it's ok - you have a beautiful baby that you want and love! she will never be rejected
trina says:
that's the point ****
trina says:
thats nimby
trina says:
as long as it's not happening to me its okay
**** says:
no it's not ok, but there isn't a whole lot we can do about it
trina says:
i have a baby who i love so i dont have to worry about the baby found in the dumpster
trina says:
why?
**** says:
ok well what is your plan then
trina says:
that lady in america didnt think that - look at all she did
**** says:
i guess, but i don't know that happens a lot here!
trina says:
i don't know - i don't think i'm strong enough to make a plan - but i'm just saying - we all should care
**** says:
people don't throw away their babies here
**** says:
yes of course
trina says:
it does - even if it's only happened once in 5 years its happened- and what did she do with the body?
**** says:
buried it
**** says:
what i'm trying to say is that once in 5 years isn't much of a market to start a company up for
**** says:
i'm not trying to be mean, but it just doesn't happen so much here
**** says:
and if/when it does, those people get found and in heaps of trouble
trina says:
not a company ***
trina says:
i dont want to make money
**** says:
oh i know
**** says:
but it's not much of an organisation if there is only 1 baby in 5 years
**** says:
it wouldn't be taken seriously here
**** says:
that's what i mean by it's very american
**** says:
'cause there are such sickos there
**** says:
and a lot of people there are totally unrealistic - they throw their babies away!
trina says:
they just didnt have other options
**** says:
we have a welfare system here - people want to keep their babies so they get more money
**** says:
exactly, which is why that organisation is good in america
trina says:
i didnt say there WAS a need for it - i was just interested in if we had one and if there was a need - i know ive heard reports but i'm never sure of the details after i hear about babies
**** says:
hehe ok, you are right it would be interesting to see if there was one here
Okay so I did some research and she's pretty right - baby dumping doesnt happen an awful lot here - it's child abuse that occurs here babies that already have names and are supposedly "wanted" because as **** said if women don't want their babies they have an abortion which I thought was a crock but didn't have the statistics to back it up - I can't count the amount of girls I went to school with who have at least 1 if not more children - beginning with the girl in grade 9 who dropped out to have a baby and has since had 3 others. I also know of a few who did have an abortion.
Plus as **** said we have welfare here - girls have babies just to get money - it is true - i know some - and its sad and some of these girls genuinely love their babies
I'm just flawed at the apathy -- and I'm not sure the word I'm looking for but **** told me that there wasn't a "market" for that type of "business" it wouldn't be well received - no what was the phrase? "it wouldn't be taken seriously"
Patch Addams wasn't taken seriously either, neither were some of the greatest heroes/heroines of our time - I'm sure people looked at Debi Faris whne she first started up and thought she was nuts - I'm sure she had alot of doors closed on her by people suffering from NIMBY.
I don't know what I'm writing this for except because it was too long to put in Dharma's comment box and I felt so strongly about it
