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The Mommy Dilemma

The Mommy Dilemma

To Sleep or Not To Sleep?

So here I am trying to do some catch up work on the computer. I have my household budget on Quick Books and am doing much needed data input. In the background is a screaming 10 month old baby. His mommy, my d-i-l, is not feeling well and my heart goes out to her. I remember those days. She came down with a cold yesterday. I remember taking care of my babies and being so exhausted I couldn't think straight especially when I was ill. So after spending the day chasing the little boy around the house she decided to go to bed early with him. I think maybe that wasn't such a good idea now because it's 10:30 and he's in an on and off crying mode..

She's a great mommy. She's doing a great job with Ethan. She's very attentive and reminds me of me. We both had our first at the same age. We both were very inexperienced with babies. Actually she's a few months younger than I was when I had my first. I was determined to be the best mom the second they put that beautiful newborn into my arms. My son, in contrast to Ethan tho, was a very quiet and submissive baby. He was sleeping well by the end of his first month. I never ever woke up with him in the middle of the night after that.

Ethan's a healthy happy baby until he isn't the center of attention, that is. He's absolutely perfect looking. He's charmed everyone he's come into contact with. One thing I think she's just starting to understand about this beautiful little boy is that he's very strong willed. He's got her wrapped, totally, and I can see she's exhausted. He's a master manipulator and is going to be just like his daddy. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree afterall.

My son and she are are alone in another state with no family, so they have been at this new parenting thing virtually all by themselves. With Brian working so often, much of this child rearing is on her shoulders.

Her first week here she spent alot of time trying to cajole him to sleep sometimes taking two hours or so to do so. One night he just flat out refused to be cajoled still wide awake at 11 pm. He's in the habit of going down to bed asleep in his mommy's arms since birth. He's very big now and this is getting harder and harder to do. Big mistake we told her. It's time he goes down awake. He may cry (and he did) some but it's time for him to go to bed and for mommy to have some down time. She needs a break. She's exhausted.

The first night he cried for about an hour or so and she was a wreck. Her goal I think has been to avoid any confrontation with crying as much as possible. He lived. He actually woke up the next day seemingly in a good mood. None the worse for wear. The next night he cried again and by the third night or so only cried for 10 minutes. Of course her reaction was total and absolute freedom. It was starting to look up.....until tonight.

The bad thing is I have to work all day tomorrow so she's on her own. I hope she eventually gets some sleep tonight. All is quiet now and it's 11 pm. So maybe. But he's yet to sleep thru the night so he'll probably re-awake about 2 or 3 or so. But just maybe this crying jag tonight will have worn him out enough to make it thru. We'll see.

Maybe she'll let me have him one night, so she can get a whole night of uninterrupted sleep. Just Ethan and Nanny. I can always call in the reinforcement. His name is Papa and Ethan is just crazy about him.






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Reply #26 Top

Who was meeting her needs while you were at work? Your husband? What if your husband wasn't available? What if you lived in a new state with no friends or family around to help? Would you leave her with strangers and hope they met her needs? Is that selfish?

Nice try, but you know so little about me.  I only worked when she was small because my parents LIVED with me and my husband and I supported all of us.  She was left in the hands of my parents, and she still sees them every day after school.  She has never had a babysitter (other than family)and there is no way I would leave her with strangers.  Also, very importantly, they took care of her as *I* saw fit, not how *they* saw fit.

BTW, I really hate the term "train" the baby to go to sleep.  Sleep is natural, and just like adults, if the baby can't fall asleep easily, there is a reason.  Ignoring that just doesn't seem right.

Reply #27 Top
Sleep is natural, sure, but a bedtime routine is the best way to establish when sleep should happen. If the bedtime routine is engrained in them to be rocked to sleep, they will want to be rocked to sleep. If you no longer want to rock them to sleep, because it's time, then there will be a time when the baby wants to sleep, so wants to be rocked. That is the only problem with going to sleep - not rocking. There is no other problem. So baby cries. Then baby goes to sleep anyway, and learns that rocking isn't the only way to get there.
Reply #28 Top
BTW, I really hate the term "train"


Sleep is natural


so isn't pooping!!!! Soooooo you didn't potty "train" your little girl Karma? Geeesh

Then baby goes to sleep anyway, and learns that rocking isn't the only way to get there.


bingo!! Common sense here.

She has never had a babysitter


well Karma we found some common ground here. I felt the same way with my three. They never had a babysitter either. I chose not to work and we scraped by because of it. But it paid great dividends down the road and I don't regret a single moment.

The two people here that love baby Ethan and want the best for him are KFC and Amanda


and along with daddy and Papa this baby is a very well loved little boy.

and you're absolutely right about down town with Brian Tova. She gets very little time with him and most of that time has been trying to get Ethan to go to sleep. She does desire a better more efficient plan.

BTW...Amanda's read this thread and TW's and laughed.



Reply #29 Top
I only worked when she was small because my parents LIVED with me and my husband and I supported all of us. She was left in the hands of my parents, and she still sees them every day after school. She has never had a babysitter (other than family)and there is no way I would leave her with strangers. Also, very importantly, they took care of her as *I* saw fit, not how *they* saw fit.


I understand that....you working wasn't my point and I wasn't "trying" anything. My point is you did what you felt was best for your child. Not all parents agree that a mom who works outside the home is doing what's best for her kid. Just like all don't agree on CIO and sleep time procedures.

If your parents didn't live with you and you lived in a place with no family or anyone to help...would you consider it selfish to need some time off? Would you want other people to criticize you for it? Do you think its right for people to criticize you for working outside the home? Or would you expect a little help and advice when visiting family?

I read this article as written, as a grandma blogging about her grandson.

Reply #30 Top
Haha, I am SOOO glad you are not my MIL and I'll bet your DIL has some interesting things to say about you behind your back!



Shame on you, TexasWahine, for this most hurtful comment.

If you own a Bible, I'd advise reading Proverbs 14 and 15. It's about what wise people do and you have displayed that you need some solid advice in that area.

Here are few:

"A mild answer breaketh wrath; but a harsh word stirreth up fury."

A peaceful tongue is a tree of life, but that which is immoderate, shall crush the spirit.

The tongue of the wise adorneth knoweldge, but the mouth of fools bubbleth out folly.

The mind of the just sutdieth obedience; while the mouth of the wicked overflows with evil.

Just lips are the delight of kings; he that speaketh right things shall be loved.

The lips of a fool is his destruction; and his lips are the ruin of his soul.

Reply #31 Top
Ethan's a healthy happy baby


Oh! How the memories flooded up reading this.

All us parents and grandparents can relate to this in some way or another.

Amanda will do just fine, and by the time she has her (4th)!!!, this will all be old news.

That's exactly what happened to my niece, Christine. She was barely 19 when she had her first baby, Joshua, a beautful rambunctious but not willing to sleep baby. Did she ever have the blues...just didn't know what to do...

I saw her last year at our family reunion. What a difference a few years make and 3 more babies. Her fourth was about 3 months old and Joshua was the doting big brother. I asked him if little baby sister kept him awake and he said no. I looked at Christine and winked and we laughed that she had learned "what to do"...whatever that was!

God bless you Amanda and Ethan and you too, lovely Nanny, KFC.
Reply #32 Top
as a grandma blogging about her grandson.


PROUD Grandma (dont that make you fell old KFC?
Reply #33 Top
Shame on you, Lula, for thinking I am unfamiliar with the book of Proverbs and further for thinking I would actually care.

I can chastize you with Scriptures, too, if you would like. It could be fun.
Reply #34 Top

so isn't pooping!!!! Soooooo you didn't potty "train" your little girl Karma? Geeesh

I taught her to use the potty, I didn't teach her how to poop. I didn't have her sit on a potty for an hour or more in misery until she used the potty, either.  Your comparing apples to oranges. 

You are amazingly defensive.  Why do you write articles like this is you don't expect any other view?

If your parents didn't live with you and you lived in a place with no family or anyone to help...would you consider it selfish to need some time off? Would you want other people to criticize you for it? Do you think its right for people to criticize you for working outside the home? Or would you expect a little help and advice when visiting family?

If I didn't have my parents to watch my daughter, then I wouldn't work.  Do you think that I had some "time off" magically between working full time, then taking care of my daughter until she was asleep?  You have a really interesting view if you think that working full time then spending every other moment with your child somehow is easier than staying home.  If people want to disagree with me about not staying home with my daughter, they have that right.  However, I know plenty of stay at home Mom's that spend very little actual time with their kids.  They may be home, but that's about it.  That has nothing at all to do with the debate over letting a baby cry himself to sleep because somebody says that it's "time" for them to change how they go to sleep.

Reply #35 Top

If you own a Bible, I'd advise reading Proverbs 14 and 15. It's about what wise people do and you have displayed that you need some solid advice in that area.

Yikes, talk about being hurtful.  This is just the pot calling the kettle black, but you are hiding behind a book while doing it.  Judging like that just doesn't seem very Christian.

Reply #36 Top
You are amazingly defensive. Why do you write articles like this is you don't expect any other view?


Well wouldn't you be when you get a raking over the coals here? Especially when (TW started it) most of what is being said isn't true. Another view is fine, but a bashing is not. I really don't have a problem with what you had to say really Kharma but after TW's tirade I may have thought you were jumping on the bandwagon as well. You did have an edge about you. If not, my apologies for being "too defensive."

The good news is Ethan is down and out in a matter of minutes. That's what's important. That he sleeps well and feels comfortable doing so. He had a great day today after having a great night's sleep last night also.

However, I know plenty of stay at home Mom's that spend very little actual time with their kids.


I hate this argument. I've heard it before. It's called rationalization. Even if the mom's aren't giving the kids absolute attention the way a working mom may (and how do you measure this?) when she gets home from work, there is something to be said about just having mom's presence in the home with them.

Yikes, talk about being hurtful. This is just the pot calling the kettle black, but you are hiding behind a book while doing it. Judging like that just doesn't seem very Christian.


not really Kharma. She's not being hurtful. She's trying to help her even if a bit of chastizing is in order. The older women are supposed to help teach the younger women. Although I'm sure TW isn't interested but that doesn't mean Lula shouldn't try. Lula wasn't judging her person, she was judging the fruit she saw from TW. It needed attention.

PROUD Grandma (dont that make you fell old KFC?


hahahaha I might be proud of my little grandbaby here (and his MOM also) but I'm not feeling too old at the moment. I ran 28 laps on the track today (7 miles) with the high school team and finished two laps behind the top girls and in the upper half of the pack beating both girls and guys. I'd love to challenge these young whippersnappers on here to a nice little run. Now that would make great JU fodder don't ya think?





Reply #37 Top

I'd love to challenge these young whippersnappers on here to a nice little run. Now that would make great JU fodder don't ya think?

You may be a grandma, but I am not challenging YOU!  I may be senile, but I am not stupid!

Reply #38 Top
LOL, I don't know how old you think I am, KFC, but I don't think I qualify as a "whippersnapper".

I'm certain you can outrun me. If you want to give me tips or lecture me on that, feel free. That is one area in which I am sure you are far more knowledgeable and skilled than me.

You're also skilled at browbeating people with your holy book, but I think Lula might give you a run for your money in that area. Haha.


I'm glad Ethan is sleeping well and feeling well.

You are definitely on the defensive, and I hope once you calm down a bit you will give some thought to the things I've said (however harsh they may be).
Reply #39 Top
You're a whippersnapper like me, TW! And I'm guessing you can outrun me, too, even with your kids.

Just posted an article about correction vs. judging. Might be way off base, but it was my understanding that correction was a very personal, private thing, and posting on a public forum isn't really the way to go about it. But now I'm doing it. Drat it all.

Well, I suppose if we hypothetically debate a hypothetical person posting a hypothetical post that may or may not have included the hypothetical phrase "It's about what wise people do and you have displayed that you need some solid advice in that area." then I would hypothetically say that that was hypothetically not very humble.

Also, it wasn't private or personal, and in no way do they have the sort of relationship where it would be proper, as shown by the response from TW.

I am probably just as guilty of this as anyone else though, and it's really easy to be guilty of it. It kind of comes natural that you want to point at everyone else so God won't look at you, you know? "See God, I'm helping the world by helping everyone else get better" when what God probably wants you to focus on is yourself and a few close believer friends and family. And salvation for the masses, but that's an entirely different ball of wax.
Reply #40 Top
I may be senile, but I am not stupid


hahahah but you're a GUY so you should have an advantage on me. Actually I'm not all that fast these days. Holding my own but not the speedy I once was.

That is one area in which I am sure you are far more knowledgeable and skilled than me.


oh, we found the ONE thing have we? You're going to let me have that one? Thanks.

My parenting skills are so bad, and yours are so superior. That's what you're saying right? TW, I spend more time with children of all ages and have done so for many years than you ever will....unless you become a teacher that is. You can tell me HOW you do things and what works for you, that's fine. But don't come around here and tell me that I don't know what I'm doing or talking about. I've not only been around all these kids, I'm also fingerprinted, trained and employed to work in the school system which I have done for over 12 years. I also spend alot of time in the nursery at church and around many many little children in our church family.

In fact, we have been told more than many times that our three sons are role models for their kids. One mom just told me she wanted her daughter to marry a young man just like my youngest. She's sending her young (now 11) daughter to Liberty in hopes she comes home with one like him. How's that for pride? Well it's true. So maybe letting them cry once in a while made them a bit more independent. But whatever....it worked.

You're also skilled at browbeating people with your holy book, but I think Lula might give you a run for your money in that area. Haha


oh, and another slam. You just can't help yourself can you? When was the last time I browbeat YOU with my "holy book?" Can you please be specific? Because I've gone out of my way not to discuss any such thing with you TW unless you are asking specifically, and honestly I can't remember you asking anytime lately.

You are definitely on the defensive, and I hope once you calm down a bit you will give some thought to the things I've said (however harsh they may be).


Calm down? I'm not riled. Not in the least right now. You are the one who has to answer for the lies you are spreading about me. None of which are true. Amanda is amazed you seem to know so much about our relationship and you have not a clue TW. Could it possibly be you're reading a bit too much into all this? I've only written two articles about Ethan. This one and "Ethan Has Landed." And in neither article was I "subtle" or otherwise undermining my d-i-l. Including buying him a bottle of bubbles. Geesh!

I'd love to have a nice friendly JU relationship with you TW, but not when you come here and start. I know you don't like me. You've made that plain as day. I actually hold no grudge against anyone, even when they "browbeat" me with their know it all attitudes. We all have opinions. Somtimes a bit strongly. That's ok. But don't tell me your opinion is better than mine and then go on the attack. That's not going to make for a nice friendly relationship.









Reply #41 Top
but I don't think I qualify as a "whippersnapper".


in my book....yes you do. If I recall, you recently called me an "old woman" so if I am so, by your standards then I would be correct in calling you a "whippersnapper."
Reply #42 Top
My parenting skills are so bad, and yours are so superior. That's what you're saying right? TW, I spend more time with children of all ages and have done so for many years than you ever will....unless you become a teacher that is. You can tell me HOW you do things and what works for you, that's fine. But don't come around here and tell me that I don't know what I'm doing or talking about. I've not only been around all these kids, I'm also fingerprinted, trained and employed to work in the school system which I have done for over 12 years. I also spend alot of time in the nursery at church and around many many little children in our church family.


Wow. Just. Wow.
Reply #43 Top
OK, I have to elaborate on the above comment. KFC, I realize you've been upset about this whole exchange. You're sure you were right, and you may well be But to put down other people as being less substantial is appalling.

You know the struggles I'm having over the idea of fellowship. I am going to tell you, plain and simple that reading what I quoted in the above post, if we lived in the same town, I would most certainly NOT attend your church, out of fear you would be working with my children, or at least instructing the ladies who do.

I like you as a person, KFC. I admire your faith, your conviction and your dedication. But I personally believe you flew off the handle with this one. Reading your comments irks ME. How do you think it makes others feel?

Your sort of judgmental attitude towards the parenting styles of those who disagree with you is EXACTLY what led to our problems with the local Baptist church. It's EXACTLY what made one of the women in the church feel she was doing a VIRTUOUS act in trying to yank our kids away. It's the kind of attitude that hurts, not the kind that builds, and it's not very loving at all. Seeing your attitude as so similar to that of the local Baptist biddies is making me believe that the attitude may very well be universal within the Baptist church. And it, in large part, inspired me to again question if the Baptist church is, in fact, a cult.

I'm asking you, when you cool down, to take a hard, honest look at this and how it represents your faith.
Reply #44 Top
Now...what's your problem? What's the "wow" factor?

If TW really wants the truth....like she says she's writing about. I'll give it to her straight. What she's writing is not the truth.





Reply #45 Top
KFC, you have no idea what my background is or how much experience I have or don't have in schools, church nurseries, children's clubs and organizations, and otherwise. Haha.

I am sure there are TONS of things you know way more than me about of which running is but ONE. See, that was the point. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was saying that I have you bested in all but running.

Parenting isn't a competition.

I am sure you have done some wonderful things with your boys and some crappy things with your boys. Such is the nature of families.

Yes, you browbeat people with the Bible. How many times do JU'ers have to take you to task before you realize that the common factor in these disputes is YOU?

You have a problem. Maybe in real life you are a sweet, loving, supportive woman. That's not how you come across here.

When this many people tell you so, you have to realize the issue is not with how *we* see you, but with how *you* portray yourself.

If I am "spreading lies" please set me straight. Having an opinion contrary to yours is not lying. Noticing things about you and your writing is not lying. And you have certainly written more than 2 articles about Ethan. I can link them if you'd like.

PS - I called you an "old woman" in contrast to your comment about me not being a very nice "young woman". Get it? I'm not a very nice *young* woman and you're not a very nice *old* woman...
Reply #46 Top
But to put down other people as being less substantial is appalling


Are you serious? I put down TW by explaining my qualifications? Are you kidding? You've never done such a thing?

so when she said:

That is one area in which I am sure you are far more knowledgeable and skilled than me.


So....she wasn't saying exactly what you're accusing me of? The one thing? In other words I may run faster than she, but she's far more knowledgeable and skilled than I am? So putting down where I'm at is putting her down? Are you kidding? So how would you have answered that Gid?

Reading your comments irks ME. How do you think it makes others feel?


What comments exactly irk you Gid? The one you attached wow on? Did you read what the very first comment was in this whole blog? I find it amusing you by-pass those types of comments directed at me (quite often) and then attack me for explaining where I'm coming from. Why is that? Why is ok for TW to spread lies and make nasty comments and you close your eyes to it Gid? Most of the time I do let these things go and I think you know that.

Your sort of judgmental attitude towards the parenting styles of those who disagree with you is EXACTLY what led to our problems with the local Baptist church.


First of all I WASNT'T the one with the judgmental attitude. I expressly said I agreed with Tova and Jay who spoke of diff styles and opinions. The problem here Gid is I'm not agreeing with YOUR opinion. That's the real truth because it's you and TW who have YOUR own judgmental attitudes. Your way or the highway. You plainly came out and basically said unless you have the child in bed with you for a year you're less than a parent. I disagree. But I expressly said what works for you is fine. You've said no such thing to me. As far as I'm concerned if you don't mind waking up or staying up until said child goes to sleep then by all means go for it. I don't agree with that style of parenting but it's not my child, it's yours. And I haven't EVEN SAID THAT HERE UNTIL NOW. I don't believe the will of the child should over rule his parents. Neither does Dobson who is much more trained and informed than any of us.

Just your bringing the church into the equation here shows me you're still harboring angst against these people and trying to tie me into it isn't fair. Helping a mom come up with a solution on nighttime patterns has nothing to do with the Baptist Church's attitude down the street from you.

Also, you too, slammed me with your comments. Is that what a Christian does to another?









Reply #47 Top
KFC, you have no idea what my background is or how much experience I have or don't have in schools, church nurseries, children's clubs and organizations, and otherwise. Haha.


I wasn't going after your experience. I have no idea what you've done or haven't done. Neither do you me. That's why I gave you a basic idea.

I am sure there are TONS of things you know way more than me about of which running is but ONE. See, that was the point. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was saying that I have you bested in all but running.


That's not how I took it TW, especially in lieu of the former exchanges.

Parenting isn't a competition.


WE agree. Common ground here TW.

Yes, you browbeat people with the Bible. How many times do JU'ers have to take you to task before you realize that the common factor in these disputes is YOU?


Wait a minute, wait a minute. That's not answering the question put to you. I asked you specifically to name a time lately when I have browbeat YOU with the bible. I get alot of this type of talk...others, You and Dharma I notice like to say this alot. Bring these "others" into it to give your argument more weight. Let's just stick to you. How have I offended you with the bible lately when I've been doing my best not to bring that up in your company? Most of my "bible" talk (if not all) has been on the religious forum. That's fair isn't it? If I have offended you I will apologize. But you need to give me specifics first.

And you have certainly written more than 2 articles about Ethan. I can link them if you'd like.


Go ahead. Link em. You specifically said I've been undermining my d-i-l's parenting in all sorts of blogs about Ethan. Go ahead show me. I still haven't figured out how I undermined her by buying him bubbles.

If I am "spreading lies" please set me straight.


First of all....just off the top of my head remembering what you wrote before I deleted you.....you mentioned Amanda and her unplanned pregnancy. You made a comment that she didn't tell me until way later and that she was just a girlfriend. That's not true. They both told me the day after the wedding. They left their honeymoon to tell us. She was trying to get thru the wedding before any of the family found out. Nobody knew. She also got pregnant AFTER they were already engaged. So she was a more than just a g/f. In fact they had dated 6 years. But just your bringing this up TW was hateful and spiteful. That's why I deleted you.

The other lie is your trying to make our relationship out to be awful when in fact it's quite good. She's spending the bulk of her time here with me. In fact over 5 weeks. And it's not because she HAS to. She's not the type to do this. If she didn't want to stay here. She wouldn't.

Those were two of the "lies" that bothered me because I know they were NOT true.







Reply #48 Top
Why is ok for TW to spread lies and make nasty comments and you close your eyes to it Gid?


Because of who you are, KFC. Fruits of the Spirit and all. I don't close my eyes to what TW says, and you can ask her. I have made SEVERAL comments on it, actually. Just apparently not on threads YOU visited.

Your way or the highway.


For MY family, YES, KFC. That was the issue. If this was YOUR child and you were saying "hey, time to put the kid to bed in the crib", that's your choice and I respect that. But this is your grandchild. That was the point.

You've said no such thing to me.


IT'S NOT YOUR CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply #49 Top
Texas Wahine had a really bad church experience. Gideon had a really bad church experience. Both of those experiences were created by people being hateful instead of loving, in a church.

You, KFC, go to a church. I believe you are the wife of a pastor, even. You, therefore, are the enemy.

It's Satan's great battle plan against you. The non-christian comes in with their shots, then you respond, then a Christian, who's "on your side" jumps on you about your response. Not only is the outside attacking us, the inside divides and that's just what Satan wants. It also discredits you and your church, which I'm sure does not teach you to respond harshly to anyone. But people, human beings, have emotions, and feelings, and make mistakes, and misunderstand each other, and perceive attacks where there are no attacks, and do all sorts of other things that make meaningful communication the hardest thing to accomplish in the whole world.

I'm not saying what you said was right or wrong, an attack or not. But if someone can see any attack in there, it's going to get pointed out and used against you. You know what you meant. How you come off to people is related more to them than it is to you. Remember Polly Anna, with the Lincoln quote? Anyone who searches for the evil in man will certainly find it. No quotes 'cuz I'm sure I messed it up. But seriously, everyone sins, so people can find a sin in you.

The key is what Lula posted. "A mild answer breaketh wrath; but a harsh word stirreth up fury."

That's God's truth right there. If you give a mild answer, the second part of the plan breaks down, and the non-christian has nothing against you.

Of course, in this forum, even a mild answer can get jumped on, but that's another post.
Reply #50 Top
Just your bringing the church into the equation here shows me you're still harboring angst against these people and trying to tie me into it isn't fair.


No, what I'm telling you, what I'm desperately trying to say, but you aren't hearing, is that I WANT to find redeeming qualities in the Baptist church, but all I find is hate and nastiness. It's pretty disillusioning to have to acknowledge that a theology you've held for 19 years may be wholly, utterly wrong.

Why is ok for TW to spread lies and make nasty comments and you close your eyes to it Gid?


One, you are a Christian. Two, you are a leader. You should set an example.

Two, I have called TW out on it many times. We've had several spats on this issue. You haven't seen it, but I have defended you on numerous occasions.

Is that what a Christian does to another?


Apparently it is, KFC. Because it's what I see Christians doing every day.

Somehow I hit an errant key and many of my comments got bumped. My issue here is, this isn't YOUR child. At what point do you heed the Bible's admonition to let your son and wife become their own family and raise their own children?

I'm SICK of seeing Christians CONSISTENTLY fail to evidence the gifts of the Spirit, KFC. I'm SICK of seeing people who preach the Great Commission and the Great Commandment Sunday morning and then go out and live lives that are in no way honoring to God the rest of the week. I'm SICK of it.

But what do I know? God gifted you with omniscience, you get to be nasty and hateful to anyone you want, any time you want, and you don't need to answer to God for it.

Here's what you don't know, KFC. You had a real effect on me for awhile. I was genuinely appreciating your input and your ministry. Then I see you act so nasty over a disagreement, and, honestly, it's pretty disillusioning to see you're just like all the rest of them. I tried to gently broach the subject, but you won't broach it. You basically called TW, myself and others, worthless parents because your OPINION disagrees with ours.

And by the way, James Dobson would be the FIRST to tell you he's not GOD! Even he has OPINIONS!