The Topic Thread

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Do you believe in UFO's/Alien visiting Earth?

Do you think there was a UFO crash in Roswell (area 51)?
If so, why do you think the goverment is hiding it?


Absolutely i do, i even believe they are here abducting ppl. Its sorta like when we take animals from natur and study them, then put them back.



I do believe so, and they are hiding it at area 51.


It could be for alot of reasons.
-Because of the technology to produce energy without oil will crash the economics world wide. So unless we we run out of oil soon it wont happen because they are money hungry.
-Maybe because ppl around the world would panic, and therefor releasing just a small amount at a time, so ppl will get used to the idea that they are here.
-It could be because the US goverment wants the technology for themself, and if a war really would break out on US ground, they would have a huge advantage.

I believe in the possibility of aliens. I believe its possible that there was a ufo crash, and that the government is hiding it somewhere. I don't think, even for a second, that area 51 is the real name of the place they're being studied -- that was the location of the atomic bomb project, and I'm going to guess that it got connected with the legend by accident.

That said, I can conceive of a few reasons the government might be hiding aliens from us. Consider, if you will, the way the sheer pace of technological change has been pummeling out society, creating new areas of interaction which we have no current societal mores to cover. And the headaches that go with these things. Everything from the uproar from violent TV shows (and games) to the difficulty we have policing the internet in any effective manner. Above and beyond not wanting to panic people, imagine if the government had dropped our current level of technology on a 1900's era society -- they wouldn't have come close to being able to deal with it. And, even now, much of our society can't or won't deal with it. Take, for example, the classic "old fogey" stereotype, which is based in the simple fact that anyone elderly without specific, special, and in depth training tends to simply not understand how computers work. Or high level electronics in general. This horrific fact is further compounded by the fact that the elderly generation is over represented int he voting and governing areas. Our elders tend to vote more than the younger generation, as well as being the ones who tend to get elected to high office.

Of course, the government could just refuse to release technology until we've whatever artificial guidelines they've come up with, but can you imagine how unpopular that'd be? Not to mention the fact that knowing something can be done is half the battle?



Personally, if they took that idea as a reason to keep it a secret, they were fools. I just don't see people panicking just because an alien species has been visiting Earth. Not unless there is evidence that they mean us ill. And if there is such evidence, thats all the more reason to get the information out there now!. Deal with the panic now, get society used to the idea, and get ready to either repel the aliens (if possible) or take as many of them to hell with us as possible. Of course, I'm a nasty-minded guy that way

Well, it would crash the economies of very oil dependent countries, so in turn the US and maybe some European ones also China and India. So I guess you could be right.



Actually this panic wouldnt be as big as you think, the outrage at their governments might cause a few riots though.



I doubt we have been able to figure out how all of it works though, and who says that the crashed vesel even has weapons. If it is purely scientifical then I doubt it would. Who knows the aliens could even be peaceful or something.

Plus, reverse engineering takes a while, and usually only works if you are trying to counter the weapon not copy it.




The uproar over violent media and entertainment is nothing but ignorant people.

I hope the internet forever stays free from any sort of policing, it is the last free media and communication source in the world.



There arent many people in the world that really do understand how they work, like actually understand. Sure everyone here has the basic idea of their mechanics, but the fact of the matter is computers will outexceed our capacity to think and process in less then a decade, and in 15 years it will double or triple that same capacity. Rarely do humans design computers now, we leave it to the computers to design better computers.

scientifical... rofl

I really don't think it matters if aliens exist or not, if they can travel to our planet without being noticed by private space watchers and whatnot, then there is absolutely nothing we can do to defend ourselves.

that said, does anyone know what human flesh tastes like? ive read a few books about people having to resort to cannibalism, but it was never described in detail...

I have no idea what human flesh tastes like, I have tried to bite myself but apparently your body has a natural reflex that wont allow you to bite into your arm far enough to tare into the flesh and muscle.

Ooh i believe they are peaceful, since that they are able to travel here, they could wipe us out easley. So no weapons, but the technology to produce unlimited energy from nothing could be used for alot things like weapons of sorts.

I more believe they are concerned with our way we treat our planet and destroy our selfs with weapons. The weapons in space are a really big concern to them. They have even stopped some test missles that were to be tested on the moon surface.
If there ever should break out a nucler war, they would interfere and stop it, but they aint allowed interfere with our (erm i cant remember the word) of development.

I also believe they think waay different then us, sorta like if we were living in a 2D world and they are trying to tell us they are in a 3D world. Heres a small video that shows abit what i mean.
So just because we dont know its there, doesnt mean it doesnt exists



A German man who was eating ppl (by there free will btw), and he was exposed by the police, and in court he said humans tasted like chicken..

Doesn't matter if it has weapons or not. The simple fact is anything is a weapon, if you view it right, and advanced technology -- even if it isn't in itself a weapon -- will carry with it the concepts and principles it was built on, which can be turned into a weapon. Lets take a complete non-weapon, say the ability to build airplanes. They are not designed as, or meant to be, weapons. Yet one only has to look at 9/11 to realize they can be twisted into them.



Thats my point Problem is, there are far too many ignorant people, and the faster technology moves, the more that will be true.



"Free from interference" isn't "free from policing". I'm thinking about how stuff like P2P file transfer has gotten turned into a way too spread such things as child porno, as well as the fact that eventually "cyber crime" is going to become a much more serious issue as we put our lives more and more in the hands of networked computers. Not just banking or mail orders, but GPS navigators, cell phones, airplanes, air control systems, the list goes on. Imagine the havoc if someone disables the ability for a given cell service to call 911, caused street lights to show green both ways, or even the (relatively) non-malicious act of causing GPS navigation systems to steer people onto more densely packed roads and highways.



I wasn't speaking in terms of actual mechanical functioning, I'm talking about the practical how they work. For example, my grandfather is complaining that I'm eating up all his bandwidth and making his computer access various websites slow. This isn't true, my computer isn't sending / recieving packets constantly enough (or at a fast enough rate) for me to be eating up anywhere near the maximum bandwidth of a cable internet service (I've had up to 4 downloads run at 150+ KB/s, limited not by my cable speed but by the other guys speed). What is, in fact, going on (as far as I can tell) is that something about the way the router is set up is increasing (vastly) his latency. I can't tell, because he's scared that running tracert will somehow damage his computer.



You're joking, right? You cannot produce energy from nothing, basic physics there

and the world is round...

im not joking at all, i guess i said it wrong
What i ment to say, if you can produce more energy then it uses, you got an unlimited amount of energy for free.

i would like to add my two cents: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070813.html

Again, completely impossible

What I think you might mean is that you get a lot more energy our of it, than you put energy into its construction. E. G. You get a lot more energy out of a nuclear reactor as the rods in it radiate than you had to put into the reactor in the form of construction.

lol, remember that there are equations that make standard physics fly out the window.

also, does anyone know if eating drugs can get you high?

[quote] You're joking, right? You cannot produce energy from nothing, basic physics there [quote]

See... now you bring up an interesting point. This is our basic physics, and in the scope of everything left to be discovered they might as well not exist.

For space travel to be viable you would need to go faster then the speed of light, meaning that you would need infinite energy, or a way to produce infinite energy and not need an infinite amount of stuff, or take something already infinite that has barely nothing and harness it. I dont know I might just be rambling, but I think there si a way to produce energy out of nothing. Maybe out of something, but it would be much less large then infinity, maybe even a lesser infinity.

And then there is always prepetual motion...

And as to the drug question... I would have to say yes, but it matters on the type of drug and its amount. But if you would like a truely glorious adventure through the lands of immagination and semiconsciousness at the cost of maybe a few brain cells and your health, try shrooms.

*INHALE*

believe in aliens 100%, visiting Earth? not as sure

not really, think it was secret gov tech

hypothetically? for their own purposes, duh.

oh, and to keep ignorants, religious freaks (not pious people in general), radicals, democrats, stargazers, scientists etc. rioting in the streets. they all have their reasons

I dont see how replacing oil would crash the economy. it would only dump some buisness, boost others, and longevitize the fabrication industry

a lot of people would panic, its a fair concept.
not everyone, but a lot of people

true, but we already have that massive advantage.

amen.

really?
well what about nuclear technology, an amazing, relatively clean beautiful technology.






people are scared shitless of it.

how would the crash of saudi arabia and kuwait affect first world countries?

true o the last, true to the third, true to the second. I dont believe true to the first, it would take a while but it would eventually happen.

true...

ah, so you do have issues

unless they actually percieve the world as a different set of dimensions (or a different configuration) (in which case we probably couldnt directly interact with them) they still would have a thought process we could somehow interface with, it would just be like speaking a different language on a MUCH tougher scale.

progress

but that would be like someone stepping in on two ant colonies fighting and saying "stop, for the humanity of it all!" which doesnt make sense for two reasons... I'll let you guess

true, although we would have problems making it effective

true, some things are better weapons then others

you're starting to remind me of the toran (?) in stargate.

amen

played a few too many megaman games...

but in general your principle is true, until we develop subspace internet, duh.

several things
1) the computer is far to non-compact to even rival the human brain, yes it can process numbers amazingly well, but processing in general will not be completed by computers at our speed at our level of detail, its physically impossible as the mind is far more micro-scaled and complex.
2) who cares about "most people", I'm not one of them.
3) ever heard the saying "if the brain was so simple that it could be understood, we would be so simple we couldnt."?

my general point being: Until there is an amazing revolution in computers that turns the CPU into a MUCH smaller machine (think nanoscale for our current duo cores) that also doubles as RAM, hardrive is shrunk to many times smaller with countless multitudes of more gigabites (I dont know the word for 1000 gigabites, curse it), and the video card is much more advanced and integrated. and all of this fits in about the size of two knuckles, it will never be as fast or as capable as the human brain. besides, the surface area drives processing capacity while the area decides speed (smaller the better)

besides, we dont trust computers to do designing, we do designing while computers do number crunching.

my grandma bought an amazing computer, understands nothing of it.
your grandfather impresses me.

ok, I'm going to side with Lugge here, with the exclusion that you CAN pull from other dimensions, which would appear to be "nothing" to us.

yes, there is a term commonly used with them

"bunk"

as with everything in physics, principles are expanded upon, not discarded.

everything of our knowledge says that there really isnt a "nothing", so there goes that point anyhow

as for getting something to exceed its bound up energy... I dont personally believe its possible, a way to get energy conversion to damn near 100% mass to energy, maybe, but I think that energy always must come from something else, whether that be the fabric of timespace, or a parallel dimension, or dilbert comics etc. etc.

is that a consumer's endorsment   

The Tolan were smart people.



Actually, that was just me giving (off the top of my head) a couple of examples of nasty cyber-crime. A lot harder than I thought it would be, given that I've spent years shuddering at the thought of several dozen things the terrorists could have followed 9/11 up with... all of which would have required less effort, been harder to stop, and any (effective) attempts to stop them would pretty much bring our current society to a stop.



Given that he's an "old fogey", yeah, he impresses me too -- he doesn't need my help to get things done. He just doesn't understand whats wrong when somethings wrong... and has no clue how quickly technology goes out of date. (An older pentium with a geforce 3 series card and 128 MB's of RAM running XP, and he thought that it was running slow because of all the security loaded on it... after all, it was a "high end" machine! ./shudder)



Sure, it doesn't "cost" anything locally, but there is still a drain (on that other dimension).

maybe thats the reason for the corn circles, i know some of them are fake, but i cant believe that all of them are.


something like that, but still not the right word
think it was "way of development" or something like that.


its not like i know, but from what ive seen and heard from high ranked officials, it did happen. Heres a video (watch it all 9min), at 4:45min, one tells about some sort of a ICMB missile test where shot down or disabled by a UFO, that fires a beam of sorts. This is happening at 11.000mph.



Hmm, i lost the site where i read it, ill be sure to post it as soon as i find it.


When we speak of the laws of physics, how can something like this, it travels in a straight line in outer space, and suddenly turn 90degrees with the same amount of speed. If it was maned by a human, he would be one with the fall of the ship.


heres to other videos, well theres much much more on the net, but i found this while searching for some stuff.
UFO that Shape Shifts
another shape shifting ufo

Fact is, there are loopholes that allow tricks like that. For example, if UFO's (as have often been speculated) utilize some form of gravity manipulation drive, then a precisely calculated "burst" of gravity could radically alter the ships course, then be maintained by a lower level gravity field in another direction. And the neat thing is that because your using gravity, everything in the ship would experience the exact same delta V which would result in the (appearance) of having canceled inertia.

True, but i mean if it was maned by a human with the technology we correctly have, he would be flat and dead. There has been said by some ppl who claim to be working on the UFO that has been salvaged, that there is a anti gravity device on board those UFO's, so they can avoid the laws of gravity.
Its also explained in the documents, which i cant find atm (stile looking)

Does anyone remember that Canadian politician who urged the United States to use alien technology they'd been hording to save the planet from Global Warming?

Speaking of all this alieny goodness, has anyone here ever heard of Project Serpo. An alleged exchange program between NASA personnel and an alien race (the Ebens) whose homeworld was supposedly called Serpo, orbiting Zeta Reticuli (a binary system 39 ly away in Reticulum).

It is believed by some conspiracy theorists to be related to the Montauk Project, which started as an attempt by the United States to develop a powerful psychological weapons which later evolved into an experiment on alien technology, (going so far as to render the USS Eldridge temporarily invisible, upon its reappearance, many of the crew were horribly disfigured, and some seemed to be fused to the bulkheads, the selfsame ship was later trapped in hyperspace, allowing a permanent link in time between 1943 and 1983).

Some conspiracy theorists obviously have too much time on their hands.

A full link to the specific claims of what happened at Montauk can be foundHERE

Well lets see, the Oil industry in this country is a 100 billion rounding on 200 billion dollar industry. It is in the top 5 of the entire world, oil is a living necessity. So yes we wouldnt be as screwed as oil producing countries but we would still have a stock market crash(if not several) and a considerable amount of the populace would lose their jobs.

Now, this will all happen in a huge panic and rush. If the government easy in slowly and spread the change from oil to this amazing resource through say 2 decades, nothing would happen what so ever. Oh well the oil companies would probably try to bribe the governments but thats about it.



I never claimed being perfect. Everyone has issues. Plus its one of those natural things, like thinking about jumping of a building, it happens.



Not necessarily, the human brain has near limitless capacity to remember, that one I will give you. But the thinking process of the human brain can be rivaled. The only thing that has kept computers behind us was the fact that they couldnt deal with quatum variables(or 'maybes') in a way that our brains could. As soon as that problem is sorted out(say 10 years or less) then we will be rivaled and soon surpassed. Now if we could find out how the brain stores so much information, then shall we created the ultimate thinking machine.



A lot of things are discarded, I wish for you to show proff that it isnt so.



Well according to you I am a hippi so it might be



This brings up one of my favorite books. In this book aliens from another dimension that has way completely different physics then ours create a way to be able to produce energy by taking materials from our universe into theirs causing the said material to detereate and produce lots of radiation. In turn they trade a material from their universe and place it on earth. Mankind is amazed at this new energy source and soon builds 'stations' all over the planet. However the huge amount of radiation outburst causes our sun to age over 10000000 in less then 30 years, and it was an exponensial process. While the aliens sun begins to cool, which is actually the reason they started the process.



A fake, shallow, ever changing word. Mankind's whore in my opinion. That is if words had genders.

As it is impossible to prove a negative, please prove your position



An... interesting summary of a fascinating Issac Asimov novel. Assuming we're speaking of the same novel.

The idea was that the physics would work differently in the two dimensions, allowing for a hill that was "downhill both ways". We'd "exchange" non-radioactive materials, which would start emitting energy (radiation) in each other's dimensions. The catch was that during the exchange, "pieces" of the physics would get exchanged also. Since fusion was 10 times more powerful in the alien dimension, this would cause the sun to go (super?) nova far quicker than normal. Eventually this was solved by reaching even "further" up to another dimension, where fusion was much weaker. As a result, the two balanced, and mankind got lots and lots of "free" energy.

And the reason the aliens did this was because their sun had indeed reached the end of its lifecycle, and they were dying out, slowly. (Its that end line that makes me think we're talking about the same novel... otherwise they are wildly dissimilar past "free energy bad side effects").

stupid terrorists...
then I've lost ALL faith in the intelligence of aliens, if they think that the best way to communicate with us is through flatenning corn.


its just a bunch of attention seeking farmers/farmer's sons.

two things, 1) our IBMS do not go mach 11, at least not from what I've heard
2) there are plenty of reasonable explanations, besides why would aliens shoot down a test missile?
they're called mirages, but yes if they were actually ships the best explanation would be an instantaneous warping of spacetime (creating a warping akin to a gravitational field for those who want it simplified)

it would be akin to a gravitational field in that it would create acceleration without the "equal and opposite" occuring, beyond that though the definition crumbles...

ahahaha! yes I do.

obviously.

with the beautiful body-ornaments in the wall, I'm sure.

hey wait, if the connection is only between the two specific times of 1943 and 1983, how is it "permanent"? 'permanent' is a description based on an object of directional infintesimalism (not a word) in the dimension of space, i.e. it exists forever on from one point until inifinity, which does not apply to two specific points

conspiracy theorists... at least get it right.
hardly, the damage to the oil companies would be far counteracted by how cheap energy would become

additionally the jobs lost in that industry would be more than made up for in new companies as a result, or resulting in the usage of this tech.
[quote]I never claimed being perfect. Everyone has issues. Plus its one of those natural things, like thinking about jumping of a building, it happens. [/quote
yes, but most people do not try to canabalize themselves, theres a difference between the average person saying "hey, I could jump off right now!" and the person who does it...
dont need extra dimensions, you simply need to change the vacum energy constant of a certain portion of the universe.
EVERY word is fake, shallow and has different meanings based on the time

Yes we are speaking of the same book Ron.

And Schem, the panic insuing on the stock market would crash our economy, not irreversably but it would still put us through another major recesion because the new energy source wouldnt spread fast enough. Plus because it is new a bunch of '.com' companies would pop up and crash the next month causing a huge money drain just like at the end of the 80s begging of the 90s.

1) its either going to spread so fast that the oil does collapse and some people are out of jobs
OR
it will not spread quickly and it will be a slow decline matched up by the rise in the new energy

there wouldnt be any reason for there to be any panic whatsoever, rather, people should be in the streets rejoicing.

and what do .com companies have to do with an infinite power source? you're definately reaching.

The "equal and opposite" effect would be because gravity's reach is naturally infinite -- the ship would be able to "dump" its inertia into every single piece of matter across all of space-time, though obviously nearer objects would "feel" the dump more acutely.