The political thread is reborn...with Taking Liberties

We have the same thing over here, its just called the Patriot Act. It isnt as bad sure, but it can easily get there since as far as I know the Democrats are just as eager to change or bend certain rights to attain an easier way in retaining political stability.

ask yourself really; who is the patriot act being directed against?
I know it sucks for people of Islamic descent who are being needlessly targeted, racial profiling always sucks, but the Patriot act has really nothing to do with the precedent of infringing upon liberties.

Exactly if your not breaking any laws you have nothing to fear from the patriot act. Its simple as that.

its less to do with law breaking as if your Islamic or an immigrant.
religio-racial differences, they always suck.

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The Patriot Act allows for ANYONE to be targeted with the suspension of almost every single constituational right, and all it needs is an acusation of any one government law enforcer(FBI agent) or the President and anyone in his cabinet.

I believe it will take only a decade for the Act to be used against any radical citizen in this country, even if they are peaceful. It is a different age, and it seems that America is willing to sell its soul and purpose just to stay ahead.



Then it is discrimination, trust me you view it a lot differently when you ARE an immigrant.

yes, but it wasnt set forth to spy on just anyone. hence why I say its not a threat.
TGE, you should know this by now, any bill is non-threatening if its precedence is non-threatening, regardless of its powers.
I could sign a bill that allowed people to plant flowers and blow up small countries, if I signed the bill with the intent to plant flowers then nobody should be concerned about the precedence that "blowing up small countries" sets.

therefore we shouldnt be worried about this bill being an infringement upon liberties of the average citizen, we should be worried of its racial precedence.

yes, racial discrimination.
fortunately its not the same type of racial discrimination as its predecessors. this ones more 'in self defense'. still sucks, but not as much so.

Remember back to the 1940s people. Remember what happened after the Japanesse bombed Pearl Harbor? Atleast we aren't doing that again.

Actually, that's kind of the problem and where the infringing occurs. You don't have to break any laws, or have any agency to have proof of it in any shape or form for all or any civil liberties to be suspended. That's the problem.

There have been plenty of reports of innocent people, not even Muslim or Middle Eastern, targetted and affected by the Patriot Act, that have absolutely no connection to any wrong doings. This means, you, me or anyone can be targetted and have absolutely no rights (defense) against being subjected to detention. For example, I have read newspapers that documented cases of persons who's names were inputted by mistake, or mistyping, or simply by having the same, or even similar, names to someone on a list somewhere. One was actually a head-of-state of some country, although there was quite a bit of fallout, so perhaps someone else might remember. There are also long lists of privacy issues that this creates but it's not a direct relation to this discussion.

P.s. This isn't exactly a "police-state." Most of Europe technically, by today's political science definition, already is a police state, certainly most Western Europan countries are. It's a style of policing. What we're talking about is simply greater authoritarianism in the US and UK states.

Yet. Internment Camps have been suggested in Congress.



I am not saying we will enter a police state, or anything like that. But, this Act could be used largely as a political tool to silence abstructive voices. Just look at the Alien and Sedition Acts of the 1800s, they were meant to constraine immigration but was used by both parties at the time in a effort to limit free speec and free press.

The question is, is if this country has the leaders that will stand against this happening. Currently I wouldnt be too optomistic about that.

really?
find me a link. not that I doubt it, but I want to know who the idiots are

the only reason I wouldnt say its the same thing is because we dont do it to EVERYONE.
look at guantanomamo (I purposely misspelled it because I didnt know how to spell it correctly, forgive me)

and when I hear of it being used in such ways, I will cry out in outrage.
a bit of a catch-22... but someone will find a way around.

like I said, its all precedence

the sedition act hardly had anything to do with migration. call me polly but look at all the powers it gives? its rediculous
the alien act (this is the one allowing people to be kicked from the country, correct?) abused... yes, but if you look at the precedence they set, they were repealed rather quickly.

Generally, i don't give a flying .... what the laws in other countries say (unless i'm going there), but this sounds to me like you WON'T hear of it being used in such ways. Also, your cries of outrage won't have much effect.

and like I said, people will find a way.

oh, you know not america.

if someone hears that there are people being kicked from the country and/or jailed because of what they say, whew, I would get away from that political fallout.