And the thin skinned picked up the toy and went home....

from JoeUser Forums

Oh, you probably know who I'm talkin' about and talkin' to.

How about these quotes following up on the use of the favorite words of groups like MoveOn.org, Rosie O'Donnell, and others:

And if it were a mandatory AIDS vaccine, sorry, terp, I would fight against it. AIDS is not epidemic, nor for that matter, is cervical cancer. I could name hundreds of diseases with higher fatality rates than both that deserve more attention.

Perry DICTATED. Whatever happened to checks and balances, terp?

The legislature overrode Perry, and they did it DECISIVELY. And they did right.

which apparently were in response to my comments that got me tossed onto a blacklist.  Oh joy.  Been wanting to get on one of those for a while.  Censorship is a great thing.  One sided conversation and all that.  Great way of getting out your message.  Pa-toooooie.

 

Lets deal with the words above again:

And if it were a mandatory AIDS vaccine, sorry, terp, I would fight against it. AIDS is not epidemic, nor for that matter, is cervical cancer. I could name hundreds of diseases with higher fatality rates than both that deserve more attention.


SAY WHAT?!

Since when does AIDS not count as epidemic?  Since when are the many thousands of people that are infected with HIV not experiencing an epidemic?

And better still, since when do we have some friggin' contest for which diseases get the most attention and most money such that we have to ignore ones we can deal with but won't because someone instituted a policy by declaring a medical emergency apparently exceeding their powers, but more likely just stomping on parental toes.  Toes of parents that wouldn't make a choice if not forced to.

All diseases deserve attention, and all of them deserve to have cures and treatments researched.  NONE rate any higher than any others, but dammit, some are fixable and/or preventable now, despite fear words and hype tossed around by some people that are more worried about using impressive words like "dictated" than they are in seeing the next generation protected from problems that can be prevented.

Perry DICTATED. Whatever happened to checks and balances, terp?

The legislature overrode Perry, and they did it DECISIVELY. And they did right.

You got your checks and balances, but what about the young women that didn't?  What about those that won't get the benefits of these vaccinations and could have helped prevent problems for themselves and others that are involved in the huge web of sexual partners that are intertwined over a persons history.

Take your toy and go home if you want.  Ignore the other analogy I've already used before you stormed off in a huff and apparently tossed me on the blacklist pile.  Please be sure to leave me there for a good long while.  I wouldn't want to be forgetful and add a comment where one isn't welcomed (i.e. on a site run like a dictatorship, your way or the highway).

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

Life should be about choices.  If a vaccine was available for AIDS, and if I felt I was in danger of contracting it, I would want to receive it.  However, that is MY choice.  It should not be the government's.

So is the vaccine to which he speaks.  And while you may want to argue that our daughters are not CHOOSING, the fact is that it is OUR choice, not the government's, until they reach the age of consent.

We have lost too many of our freedoms to "feel gooders" that think we think they know more and have our best interests at heart.  When the reality is they dont, they just want the power over our lives.  To force us into accepting things we do not agree with under penalty of being branded a pariah (or worse arrested for not being a good citizen).

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

Thanks for the calm and sensible response Dr Guy, I do appreciate it and the view you present here.

I realize I may be taking the alarmist side of the argument when I push for using vaccines to help stop the spread of these diseases, and while I would like to think it could and should be a choice for people and not something they would have to jump through hoops to opt out of, I'm well aware of the effect of these diseases and other diseases that might have been stopped in the past and weren't.

I lost a cousin to AIDS.  I lost former co-workers to AIDS.  People that might be here still if there had been a vaccine available and if the people they had interacted with over time had not been carrying the disease, or if they themselves were protected by more than thin layer of latex (or if the blood system had been more thoroughly screened, etc.)

In the future I might lose my son to AIDS (depending on choices he makes in the future). I might lose my daughter to AIDS depending on choices her partners make, and in the case of HPV, I could potentially see her taken by cancer that could very well be very preventable.

Cancer too has affected too many people around me and I have to be incredibly vigilant about watching for skin cancer since I've already had a small battle with same.

Ovarian cancer has impacted people I know and struck down lives well too soon.

So I look at these issues and when I see people that use choice to say they won't help stop the spread of these things, I get more than a bit upset about their choice potentially harming others.

I could see a future (given this nation's litigious history) where sexual partners are sued into oblivion because they didn't get these vaccines (as they become available) and basically recklessly endangered their partners.  God help us if it comes down to that, but on the other hand having these preventative measures available and failing to use them would seem to fairly reckless no matter who is making the decision.

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

Since I normally remain neutral in any fueds, I shall remain so now.

I think Perry went about this wrong,, I personally do not like opt out options, much prefering opt in, {that's the American way} options. Making something mandatory that is not a "cure all" for cervical cancer, was a bad Idea.

Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

Since I normally remain neutral in any fueds, I shall remain so now.

I respect that a lot MM, and would normally be doing everything I can to avoid such things myself.  All I can say is I most certainly didn't start this, and most certainly wasn't the one that made like a dictator myself by blacklisting an opposing viewpoint.

I think Perry went about this wrong,, I personally do not like opt out options, much prefering opt in, {that's the American way} options. Making something mandatory that is not a "cure all" for cervical cancer, was a bad Idea.

I agree with your thoughts here too for the most part.  It should have been opt in, rather than opt out, and it really shouldn't have been forced upon the people of Texas.  I don't dispute that.  I dispute the idea that there is no potential benefit, or at least no benefit that makes the good potentially outweigh the bad.

There are a lot of residents of the otherwise fine state of Texas (my birthplace) that would play ignorant and refuse a preventive measure such as was proposed.  They'd be relying on the belief that their children aren't the ones that need to be covered because their children would *never* do things that would cause them to need this protection, or at least they wouldn't do it until after they'd talked it over with mommy and daddy and been helped to keep away from negative results.

Those parents would be wrong.

The statistics don't lie here, and they do back me up when I point out that teen pregnancy is a growing problem, not one that is going away.  Sexual activity among school aged children continues to happen at earlier and earlier ages.  And parents keep pretending that their children aren't involved.

It's never my children until well, it is.  Until it's my child that got pregnant, or picked up an STD that goes untreated for years before they realize they even have it.  Or pick up HPV because they've had multiple partners and some of those partners may be carriers.

As you point out, and as I already had acknowledged, this may not be a cure all for preventing cervical cancer, but it very well could help a measurable number of young girls keep from having problems in their futures.