Is It Time for An Online Code of Conduct?

From the Desk of David Pogue;New York Times

When I was just out of college in the late 1980's, I made a lot of computer house calls in New York (all right, apartment calls). During those years, I learned an awful lot about people and the dichotomy between their public and private personalities. 

One client in particular has never left my mind. She was a wealthy woman with an astonishingly huge apartment -- and an astonishingly sour personality.Whenever menials like me were around, she played a game whose name, I now realize, was "You're Wrong."

It began the moment she answered the doorbell. "Well, don't just stand there like a mannequin. I'm not paying you $25 an hour to just stand there. Go inside."

So, mumbling apologies, I entered the apartment and set down my bag next to the computer desk.

"Not there, not there!" she shrieked. "You'll get dirt on the carpet! Put it out there in the pantry. Have some respect for people's things!"

If I then reached to turn on the computer, it was, "Don't do it yourself! How do you expect me to learn if you do everything for me? Don't treat me like I'm some kind of idiot!"

But if, on the next visit, I invited her to turn on the machine herself, she shot back, "How should I know how to turn it on? If I knew how to use the computer already, I wouldn't be paying you $25 an hour, now would I?"

No matter what you said, on any subject, no matter how neutral, Mrs. Cronkwitz could find fault with it. (Yes, this was the same woman who berated me for suggesting that her daisy-wheel printer couldn't print graphics.) Her simple rule was: "If you can't say something negative, don't say it at all."

I think about Mrs. Cronkwitz's game every time I read the comments on any online forum that accepts anonymous postings, like Digg.com or YouTube. It's all a big contest to see who can spit with the most venom on any product, any idea, any topic.

Just once, I'd love to see how many products, ideas and topics these people come up with themselves. (Actually, I already know: None, because most of 'em are still in high school.)

All of which brings me to the Kathy Sierra story, which The Times recently covered.

In short, a computer-book author named Kathy Sierra wrote, on her blog, about whether it's OK to delete nasty comments left by your readers. Anonymous commenters descended on her with vicious, violent and even sexual comments and threats, complete with vulgar Photoshopped images of Ms. Sierra.

Anyway, Tim O'Reilly, the publisher of her computer books (and mine, by the way), responded with a proposal on his own blog: a voluntary, seven-step blogger code of conduct.

There's room for argument over some of his points -- true to form, most bloggers' first reaction was to criticize it -- but one point, I think, is unassailable:

"3. Consider eliminating anonymous comments."

That's it, baby. People don't go to psychotic extremes when their names or e-mail addresses are visible.

Just look at the reviews for books and products on Amazon.com. They prove that it's perfectly possible to express dislike of something without spewing hatred. And if you've signed your name, you're a *heck* of a lot less likely to do that.

For the record, my assistant and I moderate the comments on my own blog. Criticism, snarkiness and anti-Pogue comments are all permitted. The only things we delete are off-topic political diatribes, vulgar language, and spam. Yes, spam; you have no idea how many spammers seem to think that a tech blog is the place to find customers for Cialis and Viagra.

(OK, Amazon deletes vulgar and abusive comments, too. But I'll bet that it amounts to only a small percentage of submissions, just as we delete only about 1 in 1,000 Pogue's Posts comments for offensiveness.)

The quality of the discussion at nytimes.com/pogue is very, very high, as a number of readers have noted with delight. I think the biggest reason is that on this blog, readers don't feel anonymous. Your comment is posted under a nickname, but you're nonetheless aware that we know who you are; after all, you've signed up for free nytimes.com registration. Plenty of Pogue's Post readers even use their real names as their nicknames.

And why not? If you're proud of your thoughts, why would you be afraid to be associated with them?

Yes, I know, there are exceptions; certain blog topics have good reasons for offering anonymity (spouse-abuse forums, HIV sites and so on). I'm not suggesting that *all* blogs eliminate anonymity.

Nor am I suggesting censorship. As Tim O'Reilly put it: "I'm not suggesting that every blog will want to delete such comments, but I am suggesting that blogs that do want to keep the level of dialog at a higher level not be censured for doing so.

"There are many real-world analogies. Shock radio hosts encourage abusive callers; a mainstream talk radio show like NPR's Talk of the Nation wouldn't hesitate to cut someone off who started spewing hatred and abuse. Frat parties might encourage drunken lewdness, but a party at a tech conference would not. Setting standards for acceptable behavior in a forum you control is conducive to free speech, not damaging to it."

I'm just observing that the blogs with the best and most intelligent discussion are the ones where postings aren't anonymous -- and vice versa. Over and over again, the sites that permit anonymous pot shots are the ones that seem populated solely by Mrs. Cronkwitz and her clones.

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(P.S.-- On a totally different, much cheerier subject, a number of readers have asked whatever became of "It's All Geek to Me," the six-episode TV series I wrote and hosted that was supposed to air in April.

The show has finally been blessed with a firm broadcast schedule: Friday nights at 8 p.m., beginning May 18.

Each week, they'll air one new episode and one re-run, on two channels: Discovery HD and The Science Channel. Both of these channels require either a digital cable box -- you can upgrade to one through your cable company, if you haven't already -- or satellite. Whether the episodes will be available for Internet download hasn't yet been determined.)

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Considering your comments, I believe that some people will always destroy things while others build them.
Their are many reason for people who make immature comments on postings or for behaving in a rude or nasty way to others. And it boils down to that some people do not know really how to live. We like in such chaotic times that we have lost something in our nature.
The reason that we are all special as a human race is in our ability to question the way things are then apply our intelligence to solve the problems at the root cause.
sometimes we achieve this other times we get it all wrong.....I am a firm believer in that everyone on this planet has a song inside just waiting to be released, some find it and sing out loud while others do not realize that they where suppose to find it!
The one who don't find it are the ones who try to control everything they see to make it fit in with their own personal world view that everyone owes them something, like the Story of the old King who said that he could control the sea and make the water stop....
But I think the real answer to your propose theory about anonymous postings it that they cannot fill the required on-line form out!
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I personally believe that in general the idiots who leave foul and abusive comments for no reason, usually hang out in the usual places....... they will always try to spoil it for everyone. My advice is, dont go if its too offensive to handle..they cant follow people everywhere, and or just flick on the 'ignore' swich that most sites come with. As for a code of conduct.....people who are idiots will join a site just to offend then get banned, i dont believe that you can really make a code of conduct stick especially when it comes to the internet. who is going to listen, you cant exactly 'sue' someone for writing rubbish, those are just the idiots who want 5 minutes of fame for writing drivel. ive always ignored bots in the yahoo chess room... works for me. But then again, im not the biggest surfer and dont go to popular places, its just not my scene. I know that you can also filter language, so swear words just dont appear when someone else types something...... thats my two cents. why get upset when you have options or just ignore them and get on with life?
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well hey Lokhup...as always your astute + enlightened observations nail the topic at hand...+ yeah Kitty, too true
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why get upset when you have options or just ignore them and get on with life?


I agree with you and initiatedsean441...However...those who post abusive language have an out...one I definitely do not agree with...they will always hide behind a constitutional 'right' to free speech. Those who do abuse that 'right' shouldn't have it. Alas...this is the internet and until morality matures, there will always be those who will abuse it. "We are but young"...and as we mature, as a species, this sort of thing shall become passe. My two cents.
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interesting point you make Uvah as evidensced lately w the Don Imus scandal...there is a nasty cultural phenomenon of late called the 'Mean Girls' phenomenon...the cattyier + tackier the cooler it seems...look what that weazel Harvey Levin did to Alec Baldwin in the 'beyond the pale' custody battle of Alec's daughter...Alec has always been a wise, informed, intelligent man + a gentleman well respected amoung his peers + the public...anyone who has gone thru a divorce + experiences the head games of ex-spouses + respective council's to both parties would well recognize the man was exasperated after years of being manipulated + stonewalled...that voicemail should never have been placed in the public domain...but it fits in w the current culture of humiliation as entertainment...hope karma doesn't visit his experience on good ol' Harvey
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Maybe you find the link interesting to this post

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The implications to this research to this could have wide and meaningful results.
The only problems is when it stand up to scientific scrutiny, but the power of words and thoughts can have an impact on oneself is undeniable. Like when someones says a nice or pleasing comments that effects your person, you feel good inside and so on.
So words can directly effect us all even down to the microscopic level of our cells and below to the atomic level.
Just ignoring negative and foul language I believe is not enough, at all junctions and levels we should challenge someones miss perceived right to do so, and make sure that we protect everyone the best we can. If this means screening posts and having enforcement policies on websites, we should as a civilized society. Understanding that the power of thought if abused effects us all...the influence on children's mind means that the sooner the better!
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very interesting article Lokhup, and thanks for sharing.... if this is what stress
and people acting like jerks does to water ect...(and we are mostly water) then I stand by my original comments..ignorance is bliss. why live with stress when we can just turn our backs and live with peaceful minds? works for me... plus the 5 minute wonders of fame are only seeking attention anyway, and the more we focus on them, the more we feed the sick mind within them..*shrugs* there is a saying 'a soft answer turns away wrath'....its very true. if no one fed the retorts some bozo made, then it wouldnt go anywhere, would it? I still say, either ignore, turn on the filter or just plain dont go........ just my 2 cents......
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But if, on the next visit, I invited her to turn on the machine herself, she shot back, "How should I know how to turn it on? If I knew how to use the computer already, I wouldn't be paying you $25 an hour, now would I?"

I'd say...."lady, for 25$ an hour you get your computer fixed.....yelling and insulting me meanwhile will cost you $50.  You decide."

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also...on an added note, if someone makes their life's goal to go around and try to upset people with foul insults, or trying to degrade others....then thats a pretty sad realization huh?....  
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Yes I use my real name on anything I do, thank goodness. I agree with you that most people in general appear to be nasty & negative most of the time, conversations at the grocery store have proven this to me. Go to the Deli counter and you will find some of the rudest people in the world, they treat the people there awful. The ones behind the counter are treated all day to people who for the life of me,and I can't understand have to have their lunch meat cut paper thin with paper in between each slice of meat and only a quarter pound of each thing, while the rest of the world waits, ofcourse it must be a quarter of a pound on the dot....Now I sound like I am complaining too just like you did, but the truth of the matter is we have all gotten much more rude than we were in the 60s or 70s, watch T.V. now days and you know why. Listen to the radio, same thing. I think this will only get worse but the deli thing really bugs me, cheese paper thin, meat paper thin, and paper between the slices, I say please ham cut it thick, about a 3/4 of a pound to 1 and 1/2 anything close to that is good, slap it in the bag and seal it, works for me and make it anyway you can so I can let the next person go, I just don't want to make your day any harder than it already has been. Maxine Schleisner
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but the truth of the matter is we have all gotten much more rude than we were in the 60s or 70s

Prime reason for that is the abolition of corporal punishment in schools.

Cause and effect.  If you are an arse you SHOLD get it slapped.

Abuse of Authority-figures...from bad-mouthing teachers to likewise with the police, etc .... it's a fast, slippery slope to anarchy.

No wonder 'children' take to using guns to emphasize disenfranchisement.

Bitch-slap the pricks pre-emptively.

"Ooh, but little Johnny was an orphan abused by 'the system'...cut him some slack."

Pig's arse...little Johnny is just an 'issue' no-one has the balls to treat 'properly'...

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I'd say...."lady, for 25$ an hour you get your computer fixed.....yelling and insulting me meanwhile will cost you $50. You decide."


lol...maybe that old bag needed something more 'personal' w regard to an in-house consultation Jafo to calm her hateful demeaner + should have run her no more than $200.oo for a top quality hr...in her case as well as for the sake of the public at large it would have been a sound outlay of funds...+ Maxine, you sound like a very astute, sweet lady
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little Johnny is just an 'issue' no-one has the balls to treat 'properly'.


Parents...teachers...authority figures all have one thing in common. Hands tied by so called 'politically correct' mindset. Certain words, gestures and the like that people find offensive have become taboo. Reason...people have developed too thin a skin. Remember sticks and stones? Why should one word or one gesture have such an enormous impact? Simple...fifteen minutes of fame as it were. Make a big enough noise, like certain clergymem, and those powers that be in an effort to cultivate support, coddle them. Please...if I let every word or gesture get to me I'd be dead ages ago. On a world of more than six billion people+...infinite diversity to quote a phrase...there is no way you can possibly avoid interacting with those different from you. Unfortunately mankind has yet to learn that our greatest strength lies within that very diversity. Until all the hatemongers, racists, bigots and such leave this world there can be no peace. As far as little Johnny is concerned...if his old man whips his ass like mine did he'd be far better off. Teach your kids the right way, accept that which is different and embrace it!