Homosexuality: I'm just uncomfortable with it.

And I think I know why!

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I feel no anathema towards gays (or homosexuals in American speak), but I must admit that I feel uncomfortable when they flout their "gaydom" openly ---something that I believe should be kept hidden.

I'm probably old-fashioned but I cringed the other day when I opened the Daily Mail and read about Elton John's birthday party. There was a picture of Elton holding hands with his partner, David Furnish. It does not wash with my macho upbringing (or is it male chauvinist?), and it goes against the grain of a World (my World), where real men live. The word "Macho" smacks of young horny bucks (young men with testosterone flowing like lava), but it goes further than that. Real men are taught to be bastards, crude but vigorous lovers, control freaks and, above all, have balls like a bull and a tumescent member that has females in awe. We, I, us, are put off by men co-habitting with men. Sorry, but that's the nitty gritty.

The Macho Man image evolved from our forefathers and I am one and my "almost twenty "son is the same. My father was a war hero and "macho" came with the genes. We are "Mano el Mano" and we don't, can't accept , unnatural behaviour.

I am trying very hard to accept (and I think Elton John's music is great, and Elton is great), a situation where a man holds hands with another man, and I'll probably get over it---slowly. The fact that a man sleeps with another man is so unnatural to me that I need therapy of some sort. Can you understand how I feel? Or am I being completely narrow-minded ?

My feelings are not totally confused. I know I am biased but I can't help it. And I know I have to try and understand a World that consists of men marrying men and women marrying women. Not sure whether this was in God's plan though.

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I agree to a certain extent. I think it's fine if they do whatever they want in private but I certainly don't want to watch.
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and it goes against the grain of a World (my World), where real men live. The word "Macho" smacks of young horny bucks (young men with testosterone flowing like lava), but it goes further than that. Real men are taught to be bastards, crude but vigorous lovers, control freaks and, above all, have balls like a bull and a tumescent member that has females in awe.


  this description brought a smile to my face. Men in "general speak" these days are sadly lacking anything that resembles the decription you have given, many appear flaccid in more ways than one or feminine, either way - not very attractive.
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It does not wash with my macho upbringing (or is it male chauvinist?), and it goes against the grain of a World (my World), where real men live. The word "Macho" smacks of young horny bucks (young men with testosterone flowing like lava), but it goes further than that. Real men are taught to be bastards, crude but vigorous lovers, control freaks and, above all, have balls like a bull and a tumescent member that has females in awe.


Totally different background to me. To rephrase what you said...

A real man doesn't fight unless he's fighting in physical defence of person or family. A real man is able to coopt or outplay all his enemies. A real man doesn't hurt those he loves. He knows exactly what they like and makes sure they get it. A real man isn't a control freak. He knows how to relax and what is important in life. A real man is a good lover. He doesn't make it hard for his sexual partners to walk the next day; that is unnecessary and not only cause for a public shaming but will completely defeat his purpose, as no one who knows the poor girl will sleep with him. A real man knows most girls are more likely to get off from tongue-work than from his member, so while big definitely is better, it's not everything. A real man knows homophobia happens to other people. Public displays of affection towards friends are okay and that homoerotically charged activities like contact sports and friend fighting are just a part of growing up.

That's just a rough approximate, but I was raised by a school teacher and a university professor, so my upbringing is probably way less macho than most.

My feelings are not totally confused. I know I am biased but I can't help it.


Hey there's no problem with bias so long as you know you have it. I tend to be biased against country people because they're so pointlessly macho. There's so much in life they're missing out on because of hate or fear of difference (having sex with the same sex isn't something I'm including here). But so long as you don't let it control you - and from what you say you do try to resist it - it doesn't matter. People define themselves in opposition to what they see as other. That's only natural. But part of being a good person is resisting that urge and trying to accept the Other. And you seem to be doing that despite being macho. So who cares? You don't have to totally accept to choose tolerance.

Not sure whether this was in God's plan though.


There's a lot worse things going on in this world than love between people of the same sex. I think if God is going to get pissed off about something he'll probably choose more reprehensible crimes. Compared to rape, murder, the molestation of children, theft, coveting of asses, war crimes, genocide, tyranny and torture I don't think gays are going to feature high on his list.
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Great article.

For me personally, thinking of two men together. Gross. Actually that's not accurate....its more than gross, its a sick feeling. The same kind of sick feeling I get when reading about a mother drowning her children, or a child being kidnapped and killed, or sleeping with my brother.

But that's me.
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if you're uncomfortable with homosexuality, then there is a very simple answer: don't be a homosexual. there are many things i'm uncomfortable with, straight white men being one of them,: i don't write articles saying that, though.
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I'd like to write a longer response, but I don't have the time right now. In short; gay people don't threaten my sexuality or my way of life. It is macho idiots who pose more of a threat. Spend a Saturday night at any number of locations in my local area and you'd see what I'm talking about; pointless, unnecessary, ugly, ugly violence.

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if you're uncomfortable with homosexuality, then there is a very simple answer: don't be a homosexual. there are many things i'm uncomfortable with, straight white men being one of them,: i don't write articles saying that, though


Why should he not write about his feelings? There is no law that states he has to feel comfortable with homosexuality nor is there a law that suggests he should keep his feelings about it to himself.

You are free to express your feelings on the matter and have done so by writing an article about this article - as is your right, so why do you criticise others for exercising their rights to express their feelings....if he wants to write an article about how he feels about a subject - who are you to "suggest" he should not do so? Eat shit mate - you just dished a spoon of it to yourself!

Adnauseum I personally do not find the thought of two men rutting to be an attractive one either, it does not make me a homophobic because I find the thought of it distasteful.

Accepting homosexuals and treating them with respect is now a requirement of society at large, it costs nothing to give them that and hiding dislike or discomfort of their lifestyle choice should be hand in glove with that acceptance to avoid unneccessary hurt to others.

My advice for what it is worth - You don't have to like it - but don't show the dislike, because if you do show your dislike then you become homophobic in your action....suppress your distaste and learn to overlook it...by doing so you will not cause hurt, discomfort or discrimination to those whom you dislike.

Seeing the two men holding hands - they see your face and the expression on your face (that you are probably unaware of) an expression of distaste or disapproval, that expression causes a whole lot of pain, confusion, ill feelings etc. You strike me as a decent person, one whom would not deliberately set out to hurt another, so try to accept them and overlook the discomfort you feel when you see them.


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I'm not religiously against homosexuality. Frankly, I see it much in the same way I see a lot of other self-possessed areas of sexuality, like S&M or masturbation or exhibitionism. In terms of sin its none of my business, if it is one at all.

Am I comfortable with it? I'm not comfortable with treating it as if it is an overlooked equal to heterosexuality in terms of mankind in general. If people want to do it, fine, consenting adults can do what they want. I'm very, very uncomfortable with the constant pressure to promote it as a lifestyle, and to desensitize propagandize it as a biological "minority".

I'm uncomfortable with the gay and lesbian activists attempts to constantly lower the age of consent around the world. I'm uncomfortable with the fact that it is being portrayed as somehow 'pop' to be gay, and that kids see this as a form of rebellion or a way to make themselves stand out. I think it stinks that kids in a conflicted, confusing time of life have to deal with it when they might not otherwise ever consider it.
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the gay and lesbian activists attempts to constantly lower the age of consent around the world


I think you're confusing paedophiles with gays here. I've heard of various paedophile groups wanting to do this but not gay and lesbian groups.
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No, I'm not. The cause to lower and prevent the raising of consent laws around the world has been spearheaded by gay and lesbian groups. Not, mind you, sex with adults, but sex with people their own age. They support laws that prevent predators over a particular age, but they avidly support the decriminalization of mid, even young teens having sex with each other.

They openly opposed the effort to raise the age of consent in Canada from 14 to 16. They actively tried to prevent the raising of the age of consent in DC, which came to light during the whole Foley thing. The group in Canada called the effort to raise it "attacking the sexual freedom of young people" or something close.

If you can't find anything on it, let me know. I did something on it a while back during the Foley thing, I'm sure I can find a lot of examples, because such activism is right out in the open.

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Baker,

I had no idea. In Australia, I don't think these campaignes would have ever gotten off the ground but then, as I've already proved my ignorance on this subject, I don't really know.

I looked up the ages of consent here in Australia. As I thought, the age of consent in the State I live in is 16. In some states it is 17 and in some states, 14 (provided you're a lesbian). Still, I don't think if I were a single 40-something man, I'd be looking at 16 year girls. It just doesn't feel right, you know. To lower the age is just wrong, in my opinion.
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14 (provided you're a lesbian).


Just for the record, this reinforces Baker's point. Lesbian sex has a lower age of consent than heterosexual sex? Things that make you go hmmm...
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Gideon,

this reinforces Baker's point


Indeed it does and I have to tell you, it surprised the heck out of me, which is why I mentioned it. And it very much makes me go hmmm...