Owens Corning Basement Review

So I had to put something out here in cyberspace about my wonderful experience with Owens Corning Basements... especially after reading all those comments on Joe User. The experience that I had over the last few weeks has been nothing less then exceptional. The Designer showed up on time and answered every one of my question. As far as high pressure sales tactics go... give me a break. This rep took time to explain different options for reducing my sale price. If you want to call OPTIONS, "high pressure sales" then wake up and understand how the world works!!!
After my wife and I signed the contract, we met with a finance guy who ACTUALLY WORKS FOR OWENS CORNING. He spent time explaining different types of financing and gave us the choice that worked best for us.
Once construction started, the installers were courteous and respectful of my entire family. They took their trash with them each night, and worked around my family - which is tough because we have 4 young children.
After 10 days, the basement was complete and we couldn't be happier. It's warm, the sound is quiet in the room, and I never need to worry about painting the room again.
Sorry to all those who feel they have had bad experiences, but I can't help but feel like these "bad experiences" are made up by the competition.
I'll continue to trust this company as my father and grandfather have done for... well, forever. After all, they've been around forever!!

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That's wonderful for you, in my experience the sales contract was just a final price, no breakdown regarding cost of material, labor etc. The installer was wonderful, cleaning up before he leaves every night and very professional and courteous. I honestly could not care less if he did not clean up after each day since i lock the basement and not let the kids down there. My basement took 7 weeks not 2 like advertised and promised. 3 more circuits were added to a full panel which they refuse to correct unless i pay another 1500. So much for doing it to code. By the way, the company only produces the product, not install it or sell it.
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My wife and I are looking to finish our basement and have heard about the Owens Corning basement finishing system. Alure is the only company listed on the Owens Corning website to install the system in our area so we called and had them come out for an estimate. The "design specialist" that showed up refused to discuss the job or give me a quote since my wife wasn't there. He said that since ~80% of people who "take time out of their busy lives to both be there" for the consultation/sales pitch end up signing with them and ~20% don't, they (Alure) don't care to waste their time with the other 20%. When I asked him if he personally was a licensed contractor, he said he was not but then gave me a litany of reasons why his company and product were better than all of the others. He went as far as to show me a letter from Nassau County that talked about another contractor (I won't name them here) that used "unconscionable" business practices, I suspect this was a scare tactic. Then he assured me that his company was better and more ethical, was this a confidence game? .. still not sure.

Requiring my wife to be present smacked too much of one of those hard sell techniques timeshare people try to use to play you and your wife off of each other. I haven't decided whether or not to call these people back yet but I will be getting quotes from 2 other contractors. I'm sure Alure is a good company but their sales approach leaves allot to be desired.
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I spent almost two years improving upon others' system. At Beyond-Basements we have the absolute best drywall-free fabric wall system out there. And we have a $10,000 guarantee to prove it. See the Q&A in our website. www.beyond-basements.com.

And yes, that claim that we are the best goes for all the other systems mentioned here and advertised here besides Owens Corning. Some differences and some similarities.

1. We stud out all exterior walls. Why would anyone want a wall attached to your crooked foundation wall.
A. Provides air space
B. Enables a straight, square, plumb wall
C. Enables us to put R-13 insulation in the wall (for a total R value of over 17 with our insulation core material)
Mold, mildew resistant
Removable
Holds up better than drywall
Acoustically superior to other walls
Hundreds of colors and styles
No ugly divider strips--looks like fauz finished wall
Recyclable materials
Class A fire rated
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THE BEST BASEMENT SYSTEM OUT THERE PERIOD!!!

I spent almost two years improving upon others' system. At Beyond-Basements we have the absolute best drywall-free fabric wall system out there. And we have a $10,000 guarantee to prove it. See the Q&A in our website. www.beyond-basements.com.

And yes, that claim that we are the best goes for all the other systems mentioned here and advertised here besides Owens Corning. Some differences and some similarities.

1. We stud out all exterior walls. Why would anyone want a wall attached to your crooked foundation wall.
A. Provides air space
B. Enables a straight, square, plumb wall
C. Enables us to put R-13 insulation in the wall (for a total R value of over 17 with our insulation core material)
D. Keeps the insulation away from any wetness from the foundation wall

2. Our insulation core material is a true 6 pound board

3. Our patented track systems enable us to stretch the fabric over the core material
A. We can put our fabric over drywall, paneling, cement board, Dragon board, an iron board...anything you want
B. The insulation board just happens to be the best as it also absorbs about 95% of sound, is soft, and holds up better than drywall
C. Because we stretch the fabric you don't have to worry about any harmful glues holding the fabric to the panel, or worry about the panel coming loose
D. Because we stretch the fabric you can change your color or style later at a very affordable cost
E. We have hundred of colors and styles to choose from and can stretch virtually any covering over your walls (get that custom team logo, etc.)

4. Since we stretch the fabric there are no seams anywhere. We also have a special outside corner for rigidity but again it is unseen as the fabric goes over it.

5. We have a removable trim system with about 25 styles and 15 standard finishes
A. With our unique Universal Retaining Track system we can also attach virtually any trim (a custom one you want made) without fasteners or adhesives. And it is removable also.
B. Again, some of these other systems still nail their trim on.

6. We can put any drop ceiling in. We also do all the work if you want a bathroom, custom bar, entertainment system, fireplace, etc.

7. And yes, our system is recyclable (green), mold/mildew resistant, removable, fire rated, quiet, clean, installed in about two to three weeks, soft, and resistant to most dents.
A. With a glued panel a dent will show much more easily than with our system as the fabric isn't attached to the panel except at the top/bottom and corners of the wall...in other words it has give.



Unfortunately, we only started installing these last October so not many people know about us. We recently franchised in the Philadelphia area but again we are not well known.


If you want to really know about us and other systems in general go to our website and spend an hour of time. You will learn much. www.beyond-basements.com


One more thing. I am the owner and have spent 16 years doing high, high end remodeling. I will put my knowledge and workmanship up against anyone in the entire country. I have $20,000 that no one on this site can find any one of these basement remodelers who knows half as much about construction as us. We also have that $10,000 guarantee that you wouldn't hire any other drywall-free company besides us if you saw what we offered and what our finished product looks like.


Although we don't have dealers/franchisees available in most areas yet feel free to email me with any questions. Just go to the website.


With that said I will offer some statements which seem obvious to me.

1. Know your square footage. I won't give names but I know of several instances where the square footage was embellished by as much as 50%. What it does is make you believe you are paying $25 a s.f. when you are really paying $50 s.f.

2. Use steel studs even if you go drywall. There is no load bearing support and no reason to use something which is prone to fire, can rot, and if not crooked now will be in time. PUT UP STRAIGHT WALLS.

3. Put a drop ceiling in regardless. If you ever wanted to add wires or update your kitchen, you'll need access to that ceiling. Plus, in most basements it would be against code to cover up plumbing clean-outs or electrical junction boxes. Do you really want all those access panels.

4. Ask yourself this. If a company can drop its price 50% in ten minutes doesn't that tell you they either were trying to rape you on price or are doing it at such a low cost that the quality will suffer.

5. Ask yourself this also. Why is the salesman so eager to sign you up now. Because he knows if you had time to think about it you wouldn't go with them. Don't get me wrong, with my knowledge about construction I would never put drywall in a basement again. But at Beyond-Basements we aren't afraid to let the customer think after our visit. In fact, we don't even give a quote on the first visit. Typically our jobs come from three visits and some have even had more. WE ARE NOT HIGH PRESSURE. When you have the most experience, the best product, and the most knowledge and skill an educated and smart shopper will come to you.

6. I always look at things a little differently than most. When I see one company advertising about how they have a transferable warranty and most others don't (we do too by the way) and that's all they state until one goes to their website and reads the fine print and sees "transferable upon $200 fee" it makes we wonder about the credibility of the company. I mean am I the only one who thinks that is deceptive...not in the legal sense but it's just B.S. Or another company which states that you can hang pictures on their wall without some picture hanging kit. You know what, our panels are as dense as anyone's. We can hang a picture without a special kit too. BUT the problem is the nail will show up in the majority of fabrics. See, we tell you the whole story. More on this in my Q&A at www.beyond-basements.com.

7. Who is doing the work. I always loved when the consumer hires a huge, multi-million dollar company and the people actually doing the work are college dropouts earning $15 an hour. Folks, if you were really good and knowledgeable about construction you wouldn't be making $15 an hour. Think about it. I'm the President of Beyond-Basements and I still install jobs. I would doubt if some of these owners ever picked up a hammer in their life.

Remember, don't assume but use common sense. I still can't believe people fall for the "let me make a call and see what I can do" or the "if you sign up today or are flexible with scheduling I can do this."

Take care.

David



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This post sounds an awful like it comes from someone with something to gain.
I sold the Owens Corning System and know that it can be discounted by as much as 30% from list. The incentives are not free but added to the price.
These systems are sold by franchises that use independent contractors that make their money based on a percentage of the profit. Buyer beware!
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Well I never do this but I recently had the Owens Corning System installed by Alure. I live in Monmouth Cty New Jersey. I saw the ad online and again on TV and called. Didnt know anything about them except the Pink Panther..I have done several other projects on this and another home, and have had pretty bad experiences w/contractors in the past. This was by far my best experience from start to finish. The designer/job foreman who came out orig to measure and price me out was extremely experienced, and very relaxed approach. We took our time with the whole visit and he put in over 2 hrs. He showed me a cpl ways to reduce my project costs, some were discounts which i was open to, and also scaled the project down a bit and saved me thousands. I signed. I signed and was excited and nervous at the same time. Thought about cancelling before we even started, bc a few people instilled some fear into me...Well I stayed and I am soo glad i did! It only took 5 days! YES FIVE DAYS. Everything done w/a great finished space to enjoy. and we do! Just about every night we wacth movies/tv with the kids and also have our privacy too now upstairs! RECLAIMED MY LIVING ROOM! well, my basement is aprx 1500 square feet, and we finished about 1100. (some storage) and I cant say it was cheap, but it was well worth what I paid. Already my neighbor is getting hers done, and she has had similar experience with Alure. By the way my project came in on buget.  

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I sold the owens corning system for over a year. It's way over priced. You can take 40% off the list price. The reason that they want you to sign on that night is because the chance that you will do it the next day or a few days later is very remote. Most people will realize that it costs a lot more than what it is worth. The reason that they want your wife there is because most people wont sign anything without their spouse there.

The system goes in fairly quick. But most people find out soon that they dont like the look.( Too industrial or commercial). Dents easily too.

 The best way to finish a basement is to stud the wall away from the blocks. Put a plastic barrier on the studs facing the blocks. Put in your insulation. Then use Densarmor Plus drywall on the finished side. You can also cut a few openings on the top & bottom and put vent grills to allow for ventilation. Also adding a Humidex ventalating system will insure that your basement dosent get that musty smell. Good luck.

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First you have know idea what you are talking about when it comes to finishing a basement. I have over 30 years remodeling houses and finishing the basement the way you describe will only cause allot of problems. You are sealing the moisture in your foundation, this will in time cause it to deteriorate and crumble. Yes Desarmor is a great product. Your basement will have moisture in it and then your studs will rot.