You say “I’m not a racist”, yet you speak like one

WHile I do not condone his behaviour (nor even know who he is since I never watched Seinfeld), I think this is a bit of a mountain out of a molehill.  HOw?  So he is a racist!  But he is also a nobody, that carries no weight.  I think the whole press write up and publicity he is getting is counter productive to what should be happening - shunning.

But I guess it is that stupid celebrity mentality that many have.  I just find it making a mountain out of a fool.

I saw the rant in full, it was disgusting.. as for him being racist, I think he is, to spew that much venom and hatred comes from the dark place inside where you never want people to look, well Mr, Richards I looked and was stunned, shocked and totally angry at your behavior. you not only owe these people an apology you owe the entire black race one too.

Your career such as it is, is over. and you deserve it.

I guess Doc, unimportant, too much fuss about nothing? Perhaps. Unfortunately a lot of people will look at it this way and life goes on.

"If he’s not racist, how could all that come out? That’s a lot of ‘things’ to be bottled up inside of him if he isn’t racist!'

You've never searched for the most hurtful thing you could possibly say to someone in the heat of an argument? I'm not racist, but I could think of things right now even more hideous than the things he said. Most of us could, since we've had them ground into our minds for years by people who made us fear accidentally letting any little thing slip.

I think anyone who pretends they couldn't let rip a tirade as bad as this is fooling themselves.

I call complete BS.

It is such a double standard now a days. The hecklers were calling him a CRACKER! So he is not allowed to respond in term because he is white?

I am so sick of this reverse racism shit just because we feel bad about what our ancestors did.

Take a look a chris rock at some point. Does he not make fun of white people through his ENTIRE ACT?

Kramer may have took it too far, but he was responding in turn, as a comedian does. It really really gets my goat how his career is over for the same reason that many black comedians HAVE careers.

There is a BET, could I make a WET (white entertainment television) Hell no! I would be strung up!
Ebony Magazine? Can I make a whitey magazine? Hell no again.

And for those that are going to say "every magazine and tv show is white" bullshit, we are way past that and have been since before the cosbys.

to spew that much venom and hatred comes from the dark place inside where you never want people to look, well Mr, Richards I looked and was stunned, shocked and totally angry at your behavior

This is what I'm thinking too Elie. Those are not normal thoughts to have inside of you if you're not hateful right? I'm not saying this because I'm black, it's not normal for someone to think this way about anyone. As I listened to the stuff he said, "that's why white people used to drag you behind...or hang you up on a tree.." He was pretty descriptive and didn't paint a pretty picture.

Naw he doesn't have a 'career' as such right now, and will likely lay low waiting for this to blow over.

You've never searched for the most hurtful thing you could possibly say to someone in the heat of an argument?

I have, and I have had the worst things that could be said in anger said to me that really hurt me, to the bone. But never once has anyone ever said anything like that to me. If he's going to say things like that, even in anger, come on Baker, he could have said anything else under the sun. The people were laughing when he started out with his comments. I was laughing when I first heard him! Knowing his character and he's a comedian, I laughed when he made the first statement and the nigger was there, and the second still saying nigger. I laughted because he's a funny guy, and the other people from what I heard as I listened to the tape, were laughing too. The laughter stopped when he started talking in a manner that left a bad taste in everyone who continued to listen. There was no punch line. Just hate.

Take a look a chris rock at some point. Does he not make fun of white people through his ENTIRE ACT?

I have heard Chris Rock's jokes and have found them funny. Some are disgusting when he goes off into his off-color humor, like many comedians such as he do.

If you have heard the tape of Richards' comments Caracarn, it's not about a white person being brave and bold to call a spade a spade, it's not whether he will make racist jokes, heck he's a comedian he will say anything, they all do. It's what he said, and it wasn't an act. How's would that be over-reacting?

Anyone who goes to a comedy club can expect the worse from any of the comedians, it's all gloves off, that's normal, frankly if the attendees cared about that, they would not be there. It's when the comments become insultive and not humor.


I think in our world today if anyone can't get beyond hearing or telling jokes of a racial nature without being insulted when it's not meant to insult, well, I guess they have no sense of humor. However, there's a difference when there's a punch line, when it's humor, not when it's meant to hurt. And if your skin is too thin to hear any of that, then don't be around it.

Consider this, FS...if the heckler had been a woman, and he had gone off on her in this manner, referring to her as a bitch, slut, whore, cunt, and saying something like "that's why we used to keep your asses barefoot and in the kitchen" or "that's why we shoulda never given you twats the right to vote" do you think it would have made headline news?

And that's the sad part about it, that it wouldn't. It's deem acceptable just because. That kind of thinking is totally wrong. Let me add that it is wrong when someone who thinks this way, does it maliciously and it's not a part of the comedic act that is expected. Like I said, people were laughing at him when he started off on his tirade, it wasn't a joke anymore when what he was saying wasn't an act. Therein lies the difference.

I don't think such an outburst necessarily indicates a deeper hatred unless it's done without shame or apology

Actually, before he went on television to talk about the incident, he was given a chance to reappear at the club and to apologize, he didn't. He only started doing so when his friend Jerry Seinfeld got involved, and when that tape started making the rounds.


That being said, it all could have been just another night at the club with bawdy jokes being enjoyed by all, unfortunately it wasn't.

(Citizen)Caracarn1November 21, 2006 14:43:57

I call complete BS. It is such a double standard now a days. The hecklers were calling him a CRACKER! So he is not allowed to respond in term because he is white?

here we agree totally.. I have asked the same questions, I want a national organization for the advancement of white people, I want a miss white America beauty show,I want totally white caucus in politics,I want shows on television, white comedians, the white entertainment channel. How many all black organizations are there? try making an all white one and see what happens.

Try saying what Jesse Jackson said about JEWS calling New York city Jew york city and Hymie town, try calling it nigger town and see what happens

Try saying what Louis Farrakhan says, He was kikes are the biggest problem for black people, try turning that around and say Niggers are the biggest problem for white people.

The 3 biggest racists in America are not white, they are black. Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson.

call complete BS.It is such a double standard now a days. The hecklers were calling him a CRACKER! So he is not allowed to respond in term because he is white?

Link

Found the link. You listen, you decide.

regardless of fault, richard's career is pretty much over...except maybe doing "d list" stuff like the surreal life or the biggest loser if he gains enough weight.

want a national organization for the advancement of white people

I don't think I have to tell you that in the beginning of it's inception this was necessary. Now, the organization not only represents blacks, it represents all minorities, they need to update the name.

I want a miss white America beauty show

It became necessary when little girls up to this day would prefer to have a white doll over a black doll. This is the sad reality Elie. It's no joke. I watched a video the other day of someone's project wherein they put a black doll and a white doll in a room.

They asked little girls at pre-school and elementary schools to play with the doll they think is better. In almost all cases they chose the white dolls. They also asked them to choose which one was the nicest and the prettiest, they chose the white doll once again, 99.9 % of them did. What's wrong with this picture?

I want totally white caucus in politics

Almost there Elie, thank heavens for the minorites represented now.

I want shows on television, white comedians, the white entertainment channel.

Regular networks, ABC, NBC, CBS...and there are a lot of white comedians whose talents I really do enjoy, a lot!

How many all black organizations are there? try making an all white one and see what happens.

I don't think I need to state the obvious with this one.!

Try saying what Jesse Jackson said about JEWS calling New York city Jew york city and Hymie town, try calling it nigger town and see what happens

Yes, it was wrong of him to do that!

Try saying what Louis Farrakhan says, He was kikes are the biggest problem for black people, try turning that around and say Niggers are the biggest problem for white people.The 3 biggest racists in America are not white, they are black. Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson.

There is something wrong with people who continuously spew hatred at others because they're different. Or because they want others to see them as being on their side, or to get their votes or support, totally wrong. They don't speak for all blacks either.

The 3 biggest racists in America

why are they the "3 biggest racists?" there are many who have said bad things concerning race. aren't the worst racists the ones who actually act upon it every day?

It is time to stop pimping celebrities like they were worth a poop. Let them ruin their career, but it is time to let this stupidity fade into the dust bins of history.

remember Jackie Mason.

I think the man's not any good at his profession and I don't care how bad a day he's had or whatever. He should be able to deal with hecklers! I get racial slurs and insults hurled at me EVERY SINGLE DAY on my job, yet I have to suck it up and not respond in kind.

And Richards should have to too.

(Citizen)Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1November 21, 2006 16:22:48

The 3 biggest racists in America why are they the "3 biggest racists?" there are many who have said bad things concerning race. aren't the worst racists the ones who actually act upon it every day?

I call these three that because they do more to keep the divide between blacks and white alive than anyone else I can think of.

I found the entire 2:47 long uncut version. Richards called them niggers several times before they responded in kind.Check it out.

It was said in the story that they began to call him a cracker to the point where he flipped out, and this is when the camera was turned on.

Indeed he went way over the top and I think he probably should get whatever is coming to him. I just find it hard in this day and age, where the word is mainly embraced in the black society and used as a term of endearment, to think it is so much worse of a word than cracker is.

Regular networks, ABC, NBC, CBS

cmon now, there are no black or minority news anchors, actors, ect? I will mail you a dollar if you find 3 white people on BET in one day. I bet you can find more than 25 minorities on any given day on the stations above.

It became necessary when little girls up to this day would prefer to have a white doll over a black doll. This is the sad reality Elie. It's no joke. I watched a video the other day of someone's project wherein they put a black doll and a white doll in a room. They asked little girls at pre-school and elementary schools to play with the doll they think is better. In almost all cases they chose the white dolls. They also asked them to choose which one was the nicest and the prettiest, they chose the white doll once again, 99.9 % of them did. What's wrong with this picture?

Was this test in a white community? Because I bet if you did the same test in harlem the results would differ vastly.

Reply #18 It is such a double standard now a days. The hecklers were calling him a CRACKER! So he is not allowed to respond in term because he is white? I found the entire 2:47 long uncut version. Richards called them niggers several times before they responded in kind. Check it out.

what I heard was before the recording started they were calling richards racially charged names. This is not in defense of what he did, what he did was unprofesional and uncalled for.

Just want to let the truth come through.

neither one of the linked videos starts before the rant, so i don't see how anyone can say what was said before the rant started.

cmon now, there are no black or minority news anchors, actors, ect? I will mail you a dollar if you find 3 white people on BET in one day. I bet you can find more than 25 minorities on any given day on the stations above.

I actually was thinking about who is in front of the camera as in actors, etc., not journalist. Hey, journalism has come a long way in being all inclusive to all, not just blacks! As they ought to be!

BET, even I dont' know the make up of BET. I would have to check it out the only way I know how, via public records.

Was this test in a white community? Because I bet if you did the same test in harlem the results would differ vastly.

I have to see if I can find that link. I don't remember where they did the test. Actually, the parents of the children who chose the white doll all thought they were doing a lot to build self esteem in their young girls and were surprised that they made the choices they did.

But Caracarn, the reality of situations like this is, what self esteem is in these children and what they are taught at home. I have to build up my 5 year olds self esteem a lot, because she has curly nappy hair and gets teased a lot by her counterparts at her daycare who have long straight or curly fine hair. Her preschool is a combination of races, majority latino. Little kids can hurt each others feelings.

I get racial slurs and insults hurled at me EVERY SINGLE DAY on my job, yet I have to suck it up and not respond in kind.And Richards should have to too.

This is what those who were there were saying, they were waiting on the punch line, cause in the beginning they were laughing, heck, I laughed when I heard some of it, but like I said, that changed. If they were so bad, those two people should have been kicked out for being disruptive but from what I heard, it wasnt' like that.

The thing is, I'm not trying to make a big deal, my question was, if he says he isn't racist, why would you behave like this? That's my point in writing this. I just wondered if the hate isn't there, where did all that come from? That's why I chalked it down to frustration or something esle.

" I watched a video the other day of someone's project wherein they put a black doll and a white doll in a room. They asked little girls at pre-school and elementary schools to play with the doll they think is better. In almost all cases they chose the white dolls. "

And for every preschooler that picks a white doll you can go to the mall and find a 'wangster' that dresses, talks, and behaves in every way to emulate black people. For everyone you find that thinks black people are 'less' you'll find five that wishes they could dance or sing or rap or whatever like black people.

That phenomenon is about low self esteem and poor self-image, not racism. God knows if you give teen girls dolls with big tits or small tits they'll pick the one that is "stacked" too, probably. They'll probably pick the one without blemishes over the ones with. It's hack science that doesn't prove a damn thing about race.

What are the people who know this man in every day life saying? When people come forward that say they've heard him saying this stuff any other time, I'll tend more to believe he is a racist. Maybe he was hopped up on goofballs, I don't know, but I don't believe you can construe from this one thing that he is racist.

...and btw... on one of my recent posts I pointed out that a certain Senator was caught on national TV using the N word, and is still in office. He's voting on LAWS that effect black people. The DNC had as their featured speaker Al Sharpton, who has more than once expressed antisemitic ideals and even incited violence against Jews.

So, before you start saying one instance should wreck someone's career, think about it. If that's true, there's a lot of people, including Jesse Jackson and other beloved civil rights leaders, that need to sit down and shut the hell up. The Dems have featured people who fought civil rights legislation, who have been members of the KKK, etc. Lets remove them from office if Michael Richards needs to be punished for life.

They asked little girls at pre-school and elementary schools to play with the doll they think is better. In almost all cases they chose the white dolls. They also asked them to choose which one was the nicest and the prettiest, they chose the white doll once again, 99.9 % of them did. What's wrong with this picture?

Were all the little girls white? Did they merely choose the one that most looked like them? Given that young children don't generally have strong consideration beyond the borders of self, if the answer to the first question is yes, then I don't see this as being all that relevant.

I call these three that because they do more to keep the divide between blacks and white alive than anyone else I can think of.

I agree with Elie somewhat because I know now a days these three are at their worse with some of their actions. Sometimes what they do doesn't do good for blacks at all. But they have in the past, in some cases, made a difference when there wouldn't have been.