Enough is enough!

Again

Yes, enough is enough. We had another walk out. I learned of it belately as I was gone for a dozen days. And this one was by a major one in terms of posts and presense. Ok, it happens. She did it before. But I think those that are trying to turn every statement, every response into a "us vs them" thing are way out of line. It has already spawned other flame wars, that are just plain stupid due to not understanding. And it has spawned other blogs for the same reason.

Ok, I have written one of these before and gotten flamed for it. But I will tell you now that I will not stop when I see friends, albeit cyber ones, going off on other friends for no other reason than you cant see the wink of an eye, the sly smile, note the sarcasm in the voice or other reasons for mis-understanding.

Several of us have been branded traitors. By ones own hand. Others are accused of kicking the dead. For making a statement not related to the whole kerfluffle. Well excuse the hell out of me. Sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke!

Gideon is having some problems locally, and wrote about it. But it had to be about S&S. How egotistical! I read his blog and did not see any connection (but I will plead that I was unaware of the controversy when first read as I was still in catch up mode). So I made a comment agreeing with him. Now I am sniping! Excuse the hell out of me! SO I cannot comment on a respected collegues blog on his subject matter without it being sniping?

This has just gotten so out of hand.

For the record, I will state, JU is not LW! She was a part of it, a big part, but it is not her. Not everything one writes is about her. Not every comment is directed towards her. And for those doubting it, I mentioned her in my only comment referencing her. DO you not see how egotistical that is? How so self centered that is? God I pity the ones that don’t.

But you know what? There are a lot of other people here. Many I do care about. Gideon is one. Moderateman is another. I made comments and wrote blogs on their problems, not hers. I know some are very upset she has left. So you are going to trash anyone that is not wearing black and ripping flesh at her leaving? You can call her friend, or acquaintance, or soul mate. But she is just a person, same as you and I. And not the source, object or karma of every comment!

Frankly I am sick. Sick of the innuendo that every time we say "I think" it must be about her. Or "perhaps" we are judging the debate! You know quite frankly, as I was not here, I don’t give a diddly damn about who was right or wrong! This is Brad's site by the grace of Brad! I have gotten on his bad side, but at least I was smart enough to pull back and let it cool!

We all know that. I doubt many of the more "hot" bloggers have not crossed swords with Brad on one occasion or another. And guess what? We are still here. So we KNOW.

But what we don’t know is why this has to be a +/- thing! Why when I say "I Know what you mean" to Gideon on a blog the internal politics of his church, that it becomes sniping at LW? He was not talking about her, and neither was I! Shock! WOW! Shazaam!

It has gotten to the point that if anyone says anything, even HI, others are screaming "what do you mean by that!" That may be great for a peyton place, but hardly a mature adult community.

Oh, excuse me! Now I will get flamed for that comment as well!

Look, You want me to talk about you, I will name you! Or make damn sure you know it is you I am talking about. On my blog, outside the forums, I will write what ever I damn well please. But in the forums, I will name names if that is what is called for. I do not pussy foot around.

And neither do most of the people I respect and admire here. They say what they mean and mean what they say. So all the psychoanalyzers, go home! And stop reading things that do not exist. The only ones you are fooling is yourself.

Sometimes a Cigar is just a good smoke.

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If someone has so little of a life as to "interpet" something that you say in someones blog, into something hateful about someone else just to keep stirring the s**t...

Screw em!

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If someone has so little of a life as to "interpet" something that you say in someones blog, into something hateful about someone else just to keep stirring the s**t...

I am so glad you stick around.  You dont baffle with BS, you state it up front and direct. 

Thanks.

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Who else left? I'm confused...
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Who else left? I'm confused...

No one.  I got tired of the domino theory and decided to say just FI.

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OK, here's the thing, Dr.Guy...

This is a big deal to you. Now. Now that you feel dragged in, now that people YOU care about are involved.

That's life. Some things, some people, are important to us. A big deal to us. Other people, other things...not so much.

Just because YOU (or anyone else) thinks what I care about or who I care about is not worth the time or energy, doesn't mean that it's/they're not worth it to me.

Your being upset about the ripple effect of all this is no more justified than my being upset about the initial conflict. Be mad, proclaim, condemn, whatever you need to do. Just please, try to be understanding when others do the same.
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OK, here's the thing, Dr.Guy...

This is a big deal to you. Now. Now that you feel dragged in, now that people YOU care about are involved.

That's life. Some things, some people, are important to us. A big deal to us. Other people, other things...not so much.

Just because YOU (or anyone else) thinks what I care about or who I care about is not worth the time or energy, doesn't mean that it's/they're not worth it to me.

Your being upset about the ripple effect of all this is no more justified than my being upset about the initial conflict. Be mad, proclaim, condemn, whatever you need to do. Just please, try to be understanding when others do the same.

Excuse me?  Since When did I get in the middle?  I am not asking you not to be upset.  But dont read every comment I make or others make as an attack on you or her!  Jesus H Christ!  Mourn for her all you want!  But unlike you, I am not going to drag you into my dirge.  Dont drag us!  Hold a wake!  Do what you want!

But stop telling me what I am saying when I am not saying it.  That is what I am saying.  I have mentioned her once.  When Shades asked a direct question.  And that is all.

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WTF???
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Excuse me? Since When did I get in the middle?


I NEVER said you were in the middle. Why write this article if you don't feel "dragged in"? Those were my words. "Dragged in"

But dont read every comment I make or others make as an attack on you or her! Jesus H Christ!


You certainly get worked up easily. I don't believe (please let me know if I'm wrong) I ever accused you of anything. I don't believe I ever even commented on you in regards to this whole fiasco at all.

But unlike you, I am not going to drag you into my dirge.


HOW did I drag you into anything? You put yourself in it by writing this article. I didn't expect you to be involved in this in the least.

But stop telling me what I am saying when I am not saying it. That is what I am saying. I have mentioned her once. When Shades asked a direct question. And that is all.


Please direct me to where I claimed you were saying something that you weren't. I feel like you are projecting on to me something that has NOTHING to do with me.

The whole point of my comment was this: Don't chide anyone else for making a big deal about something when you do the same thing yourself. You make a big deal out of things that are important to you. Fine. Cool. Just extend everyone else the same courtesy.
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dats it! dats all I can stands I can't stands no more!! M M opens spinach can, swallows, arms bulge, music plays...

MM cuts huge spinach flavored verpppppppppppppp......

shoots it across the cyber room... veshhhhhhhh>>>>>>>>
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Just because YOU (or anyone else) thinks what I care about or who I care about is not worth the time or energy, doesn't mean that it's/they're not worth it to me.


That wasn't directed at anyone in particular Tex... Just some advice to Guy on how not to let the JU drama eat at him.

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Since I made the sniping comment, you could have just directed this to me. I decided it wasn't worth the fight on Gid's thread, but will tell you that it was this comment left on Sir Peter's thread that struck me:

We lose one clown, and get another.


Now, it doesn't directly say LW, but I'm going to have a hard time believing it was about anyone else. I'm sure I've read others by you that were only subtlely veiled--but I don't have the time or inclination to find them. We'll have to agree to disagree on this Dr. Guy, because I'm not taking your flame bait.

As I've said on Gid's thread, it's not my battle and never will be. I just didn't like the pot-shots and said so. My one comment certainly did not merit an entire article.
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(((((((((((((((((G)))))))))))))))))))))

everyone needs a hug once in a while!!!!!

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Since I made the sniping comment, you could have just directed this to me. I decided it wasn't worth the fight on Gid's thread, but will tell you that it was this comment left on Sir Peter's thread that struck me:

We lose one clown, and get another.

Uh, excuse me shades, and please don't throw down a gauntlet unless you want it to be picked up. Who has the most in common with Sir Petey?  LW?  Hardly.  Simon?  Maybe because they are both English?

And Sir Petey is a caricature, so clown is right.  As in a pompous personality. It was not really a slam at anyone, but a tongue in cheek reference.  That you took it as a snipe at LW indicates you have taken it as your battle, and are wearing it on your sleeve.

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I NEVER said you were in the middle. Why write this article if you don't feel "dragged in"? Those were my words. "Dragged in"

I said dont, not that I had not been.

You certainly get worked up easily. I don't believe (please let me know if I'm wrong) I ever accused you of anything. I don't believe I ever even commented on you in regards to this whole fiasco at all.

My Appologies here.  The You was a generic you.  Not you speciifically.

HOW did I drag you into anything? You put yourself in it by writing this article. I didn't expect you to be involved in this in the least.

Again, the you was generic, and not meant as you.  The you in particular was ShadesofGrey when she decided that I was sniping.  I challenge anyone to find where I was sniping.

Please direct me to where I claimed you were saying something that you weren't. I feel like you are projecting on to me something that has NOTHING to do with me.

My terrible use of the you pronoun gave you that impression.  I was ranting about how I had tried to stay out of it as clearly I did not know anything about it, and took your response as the vehicle for stating I was tired of getting nit picked just because I was not in mourning for her passing.

The whole point of my comment was this: Don't chide anyone else for making a big deal about something when you do the same thing yourself. You make a big deal out of things that are important to you. Fine. Cool. Just extend everyone else the same courtesy.

I made a big deal out of it after the fact.  I have seen others who chose not to take sides getting ripped and I finally had enough of it when I saw the miscommunication breaking out among some of the more prominent members.  All because no one, apparently could make a comment or write an article without it being some sort of veiled reference to Little Whip.  That to me is assinine.

For proof of this imaginary conspiracy theory, check out Shades latest!  Now I cannot even group Pompous Englishmen into the same group without somehow making it a snipe at Little Whip.

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WTF???

Sorry Mason.  I came back to the start of the whole kerfluffle. You came back to the peak of it.  Apparently a lot of shenanigans have been going on in our absense.

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shoots it across the cyber room... veshhhhhhhh>>>>>>>>

Now can we get back to reading what our friends write and not projecting on what they did not say?

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That wasn't directed at anyone in particular Tex... Just some advice to Guy on how not to let the JU drama eat at him.

I was doing well to ignore it for a long time, but after Shades decided to drag me in, and then the latest blow up between a couple of respected bloggers, I did let it get to me.

And the calm voice of reason from out west speaks again!

Thanks.

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everyone needs a hug once in a while!!!!!

Thanks KFC!  You are always the peacemaker.  I really appreciate it.

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Dr. Guy. My apologies for mistaking your comment about Simon to be about LW. However, my intent still stands. There's no point in namecalling someone who can't defend themselves. And, it wasn't a secret to anyone that you and LW didn't get along--so my conclusion was probably shared by many. But, like I said, I am sorry for my mistake.

And please, I am as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. I am quite allowed to let you know what I think, just as you can write and entire flame article about me. And I don't appreciate your implying otherwise (which you seem to do anytime my opinion doesn't align with yours). I'm not here to argue with anyone, and I try to do my best to stay out of the flames. I have taken no side in the LW/Simon/Brad thing, and there is little that you are going to say that will change that. Last time I checked, you weren't in it either, so my making a comment to you does not throw us both into a fight.

Dr. Guy--Really, I'm flattered to have finally had an entire flame directed at me, and that you are "blaming" me for dragging you into a flame. Funny, but I was pretty sure that you commented on something I said to Gid that was clearly an attempt to put me on a side. If you didn't want to be involved, you should have kept your mouth shut. I didn't force you into anything--you engaged.

We aren't going to agree here--so let's agree to disagree.
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Dr. Guy--Really, I'm flattered to have finally had an entire flame directed at me,

I am sorry to say that you are not the target of the whole flame article, but you were one of the lynchpins that got me going.  But one of several as I have stated in the article.

And, it wasn't a secret to anyone that you and LW didn't get along--so my conclusion was probably shared by many.

And that is incorrect.  For while she decided she did not like me, I never responded in kind.  My only article about the whole thing, that did not go into the forums, so was on my personal blog, lamented that perhaps she had a problem with not having enemies, so she creates them.  It was not a flame at her, nor meant to rile her.  Basically when she decided she did not like me, I ignored her.  JU was and is big enough for all of us.

Yes you are entitled to your opinion.  And I will not change it here.  But I do not like being accused of something that I took pains not to do.  It comes down to the damned if you do, and damned when you dont.