"Terrorist" is a label the winners, and those with power sometimes put on others with whom they disagree.   Did you know, that during the Bush administration, one of the indicators that a person might be a terrorist was that the person expressed interest in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights?  Others might call that patriotism.   

Corporations are our new masters to which we, all over this great planet are slaves. To divide most decent human beings to fight and die for wealth we shall never see.  It is time to release the entire earth of this great and destructive burden.

Quoting Elana....Well, what do we do?

idk...you must read Zinn as well....? Jefferson also said..and I am merely paraphrasing...(your statements evoke some volatile thoughts to a malaise that has long afflicted--not just our nation but the world......)

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure.

Again--a paraphrase from my college memories of Swift

We talk how the poor are plundered by the rich;

We live among the rich.

We live on the plunder and pander ideas to the rich......

....Now, once again we talk about war and how the many are poor & hungry

but we do no more--

we are not the bearers of conscience

we are the whores of reason

You query seemed deeply rhetorical..certainly provocative enough  for future discussion....

That's brilliant. I'm putting that up in the kitchen at work.

I read that the death toll is at 12. It went on to say there were 20 attempts, 16 actually jumped and 4 of those survived.

I also read that the management is horrible and the employees are mistreated. They are not allowed to speak to their co-workers and hollered and screamed at by their superiors constantly.

With the extent of their management's mistreatment of the workers, it's plausible that not all of the deaths were suicide.

Who says you have to?  I have worked for over 40 years now, and only 12 of those were for a "big corporation".  The rest of the time I worked as a consultant/entrepreneur, either for friends or on my own.  And I have done very well.  Those who think they "must" work for big corporations lack imagination or incentive or both.

The difference between this story and America is the fact you can do just what I  - and most people in the work force - have done.

Dr Guy, it takes a specific kind of child rearing, or, temperament, etc., for someone to be a consultant/entrepreneur.  This in only ONE SET of people types. I am happy you have done well as an e...  The error you make is that few people make good e... just as few people are good generals.  To judge the rest of the population based on your skill set / temperament must be a wonderful place for you.   And, certainly, the 'America' being created since the Reganites began dismantling FDRr's legacy is an America where entrepreneurs can flourish more readily, (unencumbered by inefficient things like human rights, a fair and just economic system, truly treating ALL humans as if they were you), is one you hope for.   Just look at GE, look at the most recent chariperson of the FCC, who ruled, "on the public behalf" that the humungo merger should be allowed.  A month later she leaves the FCC and takes the CEO (CFO?) position of the new merged-mega communications enterprise. No conflict of interest here... LOL.. just entrepreneurial skills at work. Are these 'your' friends, I wonder?

Yes, a few people can do well with the entrepreneur thing... but does that mean society should be designed to give these people totally free reign, amass power such that they can control the so-called representative government, and screw the 'unnecessary' rest of the people?   One famous entrepreneur, back when the Pinkertons were first organized (to threaten, beat up and murder union organizers) boasted that "I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."  Such an enterprising gentleman... he knew what services were needed, AND he knew who had the money to pay for those services... and he put them together... free enterprise at work!  

Dr Guy, the America you seem to want, (I may have misunderstood you), sadly to say, is one that is pushing most people down into a third world status - rather than using our skills, talents, etc., to create systems that pull them out of third world status.  *** Be honest with yourself, go look at the tax tables, and real incomes of all strata of the USA, and compare them, from year to year, beginning in, say 1960, to the present.  *** YOU may be doing well 'with your friends'   But most Americans are not.  And most Americans are not, not because they don't want to work, or work hard, but because most of the sustainable jobs have been moved out of the country by 'entrepreneurs.'  Have some of your 'friends' helped move jobs away from the USA, in the name of cheaper labor costs? Big companies have successfully lobbied to remove regulation and oversight on the part of the nasty 'intrusive' feds.  Then these same corps write new laws giving them more freedom to abuse the so-called 'free market.'  Its not a free market 'sandbox' where most citizens are ant size, and a few corp giants / working for the ultra rich stomp around and squash any ants that get 'uppity.'  The free market is an illusion, used to give the powerful license to continue to aggrandize them selves even more, at the expense of the people, in the name of 'free enterprise,' via a rigged 'free market' world.   A hungry mind is a sharp mind.... yes?   (I wonder if Mr GOO is hungry - except maybe for even more money and power, and more subjects to yell at all the time).  NO, I am sure he dines on the best food the 'free market' world can bring to his 'command economy' country.  

So, Dr. Guy... the friends with whom you are doing so well consulting... have they been a part of moving jobs out of the USA? Have they been a part of deceptive advertising?  have they pushed for reducing fed gov't oversight / regulation of giant corporations' unfair use of the (rigged) free market?   Entrepreneurs are a special breed of people, and I admire what some have done... and what they bring can be wonderful.  But should the rewards include becoming mega corps that lie, cheat, steal (legally and illegally), use the airwaves to mis-represent?  NO!!!!  Seeing their creative genius implemented for the benefit of their brothers and sisters (all humans) - along with some physical rewards should be enough.  "Power ... power.. power..." the trinity of the emerging quasi American / quasi global elites.  "Greed... greed... greed.... the trinity of the USA entrepreneur class."  And where will it leave the masses of (the rest of) humanity?  In a world filled with Foxxcons (Fox cons?), and 'company stores,'  (remember them - another great American /brit - entrepreneur / corporate invention),  most people will be treated as chattel, as a commodity to be used, and then thrown away... like hotel maids, retired workers, and defective babies.  Oh, I am sure most of these people have ways to rationalize their 'superiority."  Kings used religion to teach that they rule because of the 'divine right of kings.... One Louie went so far as to proclaim "I am the state."  Calvinism (Protestantism) taught that the rich were the chosen of g-d.  Now, most of the UN-evolved creatures that sit atop the pyramid, (I suspect) rationalize that it is their right because their ancestors won the social-darwinism race (were better thieves / oppressors) ... and their heirs, and trust fund kids deserve it because their blood ("good breeding") is superior.  (( Note:  Actually, Darwin was a rather devout Christian - and delayed publishing his theory - mostly because he was afraid it would be used by some to justify their superior positions - Darwin was afraid that a concept of 'social Darwinism' would be derived from his theory.  He was right to be concerned. )) Charles Dickens did a wonderful service helping to expose the folly and dangers of this so-called 'free market.'  

Dr guy, when the new entrepreneurs finish consolidating power, will I be forced to beg from one of your business associates / friends:  "Sir, may I please have a bowl of gruel?"  Or do your friends and associates use their enterprises to lift us all to a more fair, level, and more empowered life?  I hope its the latter... 

 pose !

because in communist china the government assigns you a job, a place to live ect, im suprised they dont brush their teeth for them as well.

wan sui wan sui mao zhu xi.

which means: "long live chairman mao'...........god, no thanks, id rather a free life than a commie one.

i still love the asians, but truly dislike their government, their way of brainwashed thinking, and the way they are taught that money is the be all to end all.

(Sorry for the split response, I pushed the wrong button)

You should be over at the other thread then talking about how the "new entrepreneurs" are working WITH the very people you think are your benefactors - to institutionalize their power.  The biggest myth about "big corporations" is that they are somehow conservative.  Is Imelt, Jobs, Schmidt, or Zuckerberg conservative (better check their party membership).  Big corporations are very apolitical, smoozing with whatever party is in power - to maintain their power.  And both parties are more than happy to suck up to them.  The largest benefactor of BP cash in history was Obama.  Imelt is on more of Obama's boards than Charlie Sheen has temper tantrums.

No, you assume incorrectly in every facet.  My world is not made up of big corporations (I have already stated I do not care for them), nor of starving people, but of empowered people who can tell Obama, Congress, Imelt and Schmidt to take a flying leap off a short pier.

I can only say the difference between you and I may be in empowerment.  I believe in it, and you seem to fear it.  If I am wrong, please correct me and tell me why the empowerment of individuals is such a bad thing.

Yeah, apparently the sarcasm didn't come across in my post. Somalia? That's what you get with no government and no corporations. Even consultants need businesses to consult for. Entrepreneurs need other people to be employed by corporations so they actually have money to pay them for whatever goods or services.

I disagree. I think Marley said it best: "A hungry man is an angry man... a hungry mob is an angry mob."
Leaving aside all of the evolutionary psych behind this, I know that when I'm f'ing hungry, I'm f'ing angry.

OK... as long as you have to work 20 hrs. for 1/2 a sandwich.
Really... how heartless. I wonder what you would do under those conditions? Extend the logic:
"Starving to death should make you an Einstein."

Of course I'd never try to defend that statement as true. It's just the sort of absurd slogan that my well-fed coworkers would find humorous.

If you require the use of currency of any type to live, then you are not "empowered" in any way.

If you do not require it to live, then you are empowered to the highest degree because then you are free.

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