A little support \ help please

DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

+4190

It's absolutely incredible... we're too hard on him...poor little poopsy shmoopsy. How about all the pines in the Shwarzwald...for a start?

And if I might help 'entrench' him and his ilk a bit deeper? Say six feet?

Jafo...do find out where this yutz is in Oz.

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Quoting Jafo,

reply 174

Still 'fighting the fight'....not over till the fat lady sings, etc....

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vStyler

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RedneckDude

Join Date 04/2009

+2223

Quoting karmat,

reply 148

Oh this is rich....

Reduced 55%

Original 1073 x 706

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Detect language » Spanish

Seems we're a bunch of degenerates....oh the shame!!

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RedneckDude

Join Date 04/2009

+2223

WTF is up with that jibberish? It's supposed to be a screenshot of his statement.

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I find it hard to believe that he could have created all of the images from scratch and put together a theme in one week like he said he did, without reverse engineering John's work.

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Actually I was playing on the word penal and referring to him as a dick. I'm sorry if I offended you.

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c242

Join Date 03/2001

+382

Mate people do reproductions of classic art all the time and they do get paid for it, they don't try and sell it as the original they sell it as a reproduction so what the hell are you talking about.

I have made allot of themes for Windows 7 and this was the first one that one that was similar to any other theme and every one of my themes has been ripped and my resources stolen and used in other themes without permission, now that is theft, I on the other hand do not even have vStylers Venom theme I saw it posted on the Windowblinds site and I like the concept and built on it, every image was created by me and none of them are the same, they may look close but there is not a single one of his images used.

Did you see him do a custom IE skin or a WMP skin or matching Icons for his windows 7 version, I don't think so, all he did was a quick port of his XP theme to make some extra cash, at least I made a real effort to make it a complete feature complete theme.

Hm, okay, explanation failed. Now he tries to discredit v. Nice.

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http://comments.deviantart.com/4/10510014/1677477650

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

+4190

Quoting c242,

reply 182

Mate people do reproductions of classic art all the time and they do get paid for it, they don't try and sell it as the original they sell it as a reproduction so what the hell are you talking about.

I have made allot of themes for Windows 7 and this was the first one that one that was similar to any other theme and every one of my themes has been ripped and my resources stolen and used in other themes without permission, now that is theft, I on the other hand do not even have vStylers Venom theme I saw it posted on the Windowblinds site and I like the concept and built on it, every image was created by me and none of them are the same, they may look close but there is not a single one of his images used.

Did you see him do a custom IE skin or a WMP skin or matching Icons for his windows 7 version, I don't think so, all he did was a quick port of his XP theme to make some extra cash, at least I made a real effort to make it a complete feature complete theme.

Hm, okay, explanation failed. Now he tries to discredit v. Nice.

The original is the best, and imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. This imitation was without permission, for ego aggrandizement (the "contest") and profit (the sale of the stolen property).

All of his self serving, egotistical statements are nothing but feeble defenses for his brittle, narcissistic Poisonality. Even the name he chose for his port was a synonym for "Venom". He is but John's pale shadow.

What his claims remind me of is the following:

GRiM's (my substitution) but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5.

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Stramp

Join Date 02/2006

+65

Here's a link to another site of his- http://virtualcustoms.net/viewforum.php?f=75&sid=cc07739e072bff808df5d0972c342ef5

Poisen- http://virtualcustoms.net/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=4334

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So yeah, I've been following this whole thing since it started and I support John entirely. I'm the one who sent messages to the groups MrGrim was in and those group founders on dA took it upon themselves to remove him. Well, most of them.

One of them decided to send me a note back, he was friends with MrGrim. Okay, that's cool. He said he would try to discuss it with him and he would get back to me. Thinking nothing more of it, I didn't respond. Today, I had a note in my PM box on Deviant Art from him which said...

Hi again
The skin has now been removed from deviantART, even though there was clear proof this was not an art theft as MrGrim provided the full psd files public which shows he had created every single detail himself.
Anyway, even with that proof, vStyler and his "supporters" would not stop complaining and kept sending offensive comments and spamming group walls (including my groups) which lead me to ban a few people from commenting in my group. Also, vStyler has created a thread at windowscustomize only with the purpose of getting more people against mrgrim, more of his "supporters" to help spamming mrgrim here and on mrgrim's site.

Thought i would keep you updated as promised

- SG

I wouldn't have even posted this if it wasn't for the pseudo-mockery of Wincustomize and John's "supporters" as it were.

I don't understand people sometimes.

Analogy incoming.... this was my response to the above...

Okay, here's the thing...

Let's say... Sony decides to make a console that look exactly like the Xbox 360. The only difference is, they change the logo on the side from Xbox 360 to Playstation 360. Then they try to sell this console.

No matter what name is on it, or how it was made, Sony still doesn't have a right to try to claim it as their own and especially, try to sell it.

I'm inspired by vStyler's work all the time, but you don't see me making direct copies of everything he releases. Because my morals tell me that would be wrong.

I don't try to step on people's toes on the internet. But what your friend did wasn't right. And instead of doing the right thing, saying he was sorry, taking it down, and calling it a day... he decides to re-upload it.

So yeah, I'm not surprised at all that people would be "spamming" him with what you consider offensive comments.

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PoSmedley

Join Date 04/2005

+788

This has been coming for a long time. Instead of posting a skin to some torrent or file-share site, someone with a decent knowledge of WB was going to start making copies.

The disturbing things about this is

Somewhere, someone, originally purchased the skin and then illegally redistributed it
They could even be a member of the site. This is very likely because you would have to really be into this shit to go to such great lengths.

Maybe this is science-fictional-wishing, but is there no way to mark the purchases so they can be tracked back to the purchaser? Perhaps making the user have to register the skin????? Yeah, a whole lot of trouble for everyone, but this has been going on since before Master Skins existed and it ain't gonna go away or get any better. And this yo-yo has probably found new and even greater inspiration to keep his little corner of the shit-pile active and growing.

Perhaps someone with an amazing vocabulary and astounding use of the English language could write an article and submit it to a site like Lifehacker where the attention wouldn't be limited to just this community or DA's. Lifehacker is very much into desktop customization and intellectual copyright. They may find such a well written article worth posting and supporting even if it did come from 'Down Under'...ahem...as it were.

This sucks that it happened to you, John. I for one, am more than aware of the time you put into your work and what a prick of a perfectionist you really are.

In the meantime, I would reccomend backing off on DA, the thief through DA, and his cronies on THIS matter. They may not listen the next time or listen as quickly if the assault goes on with such vigor over work that has been removed. You've all won this battle.

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Quoting PoSmedley,

reply 187

This has been coming for a long time. Instead of posting a skin to some torrent or file-share site, someone with a decent knowledge of WB was going to start making copies.

The disturbing things about this is

Somewhere, someone, originally purchased the skin and then illegally redistributed it
They could even be a member of the site. This is very likely because you would have to really be into this shit to go to such great lengths.

Maybe this is science-fictional-wishing, but is there no way to mark the purchases so they can be tracked back to the purchaser? Perhaps making the user have to register the skin????? Yeah, a whole lot of trouble for everyone, but this has been going on since before Master Skins existed and it ain't gonna go away or get any better. And this yo-yo has probably found new and even greater inspiration to keep his little corner of the shit-pile active and growing.

Perhaps someone with an amazing vocabulary and astounding use of the English language could write an article and submit it to a site like Lifehacker where the attention wouldn't be limited to just this community or DA's. Lifehacker is very much into desktop customization and intellectual copyright. They may find such a well written article worth posting and supporting even if it did come from 'Down Under'...ahem...as it were.

This sucks that it happened to you, John. I for one, am more than aware of the time you put into your work and what a prick of a perfectionist you really are.

In the meantime, I would reccomend backing off on DA, the thief through DA, and his cronies on THIS matter. They may not listen the next time or listen as quickly if the assault goes on with such vigor over work that has been removed. You've all won this battle.

We do get a registration code with each purchase on here, but I haven't had to input it anywhere in regards to Masterskins.

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gmc2

Join Date 11/2003

+296

I gotta agree with Po here.

Grimmy has been figuratively tarred and feathered. Making some of the remarks of what should be literally done to him, was kind of...

he obviously doesn't get it however as this skin was sold as a master skin wouldn't lose of income be a letigious possibility?

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I know I've been away for a long time now.... special thanks to Tim for updating me on this group of rippers

link:

http://mrgrim01.deviantart.com/gallery/?26188400&loggedin=1#/d2apbxl

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wow, those folder icons look a whole lot like my own dude.... if anyone is interested in the ''original'' icon package (and in my personal opinion a world better looking) from 2 freaking years ago and get IT for free then go here... [link]

"The greatest Windows 7 Themes, desktop gadgets, wallpapers and Icon packs etc from our talented Artists and WSB Tutorials." -- more like the greatest no talent rippers

and reported ofcourse

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RedneckDude

Join Date 04/2009

+2223

Good seeing you Shawn!! Sorry it's under these circumstances.

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yeah, well life is busy. nice to see the rippers roaming deep into some archives though lol

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WebGizmos

Join Date 09/2003

+735

I find it hard to believe that he could have created all of the images from scratch and put together a theme in one week like he said he did, without reverse engineering John's work.

I agree! How could someone possibly know the how's or why's when John created Venom without ever looking at the original...as this grim claims he didn;t do. He's have to be psychic to have them come out looking...from what I could see...exactly the same in most of what he had posted there. I "see" John's stuff all the time and I couldn't re-create them even after seeing them...hell...even while seeing them for that matter. To get the colors and effects exactly the same you'd have to have the psds or the skin itself.

And you see what I mean...here's a guy pretending to be SKOriginals! Hi Shawn! I mean really...how could someone know how SK would talk and type his sentences unless he was actually SK and the guy even has his avatar! The nerve of some people! Oh...hi Shawn. Now as I was saying...you...uh...Shawn? Oh hey dude...long time no see!

Oh and by the way...keep an eye out for my new skin Strident!

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

+4190

GRiM forgot to mention how he "just got a peek. once." at Shawn's icons, didn't he...hmmmm....and gmc2, you're right. Hope Bebi didn't hear you.

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I agree with all of you on this, this is poor taste. Totally wrong. While I may disagree with most of the logic behind charging for skins, simply not supporting the business model and even moving away from Windowblinds is how it appears most in the community have handled things. Diminishing user base, fewer skins created, etc. is proof of what is happening to the community.

The cost of ownership, using Wincustomize and it's branded "Master Skinners" products, has more than double, triple, etc the cost of windowblinds. Honestly it shouldn't surprise anyone considering where the roots of this community originated.... hacking away at Window's 95 code.

Is there a way to place encrypted watermarks inserted into the skin code upon purchase so you can trace the origin?

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tazgecko

Join Date 05/2008

+177

Quoting sydneysiders,

reply 166

maybe we could hunt him down and send him off to Port Arthur on bread and water and a dozen lashes a day.... then rub salt into the wounds....

That's just racist to us Taswegians. You Mainlanders know very well we don't use Port Arthur for convicts anymore ... its a time out centre for our kids. They have good diet programs, exercise routines (where do you think all the bricks come from), skin cancer awareness (10 minutes of sunlight a day). I am sure they fully enjoy themselves and I will ask if one ever comes back.

MrGrim was just after a quick easy buck. Thought because of his so called 'good name' on da he could push V aside and bully his way though it. Stuff him. I hope the mark of a cheat and a liar follows him around forever.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

+1839

Shawn.... if your icons have been ripped....chuck me a link to yours and 'his' and I'll forward that to $chix0r.

Fiona's sort of my opposite number....on Devart. [the '$' is the significant bit]...

Po....it's not necessarily the case that the skin was first purchased...then ripped. It's quite possible that just the screenshots of the WB were sufficient to use to 'port' it to msstyles. The real issue is that being a port it 'might' have been consented to if permission requested....however that is unlikely on 2 counts...

1. It was/is a commercial [Master] skin.

2. MrGRiM01 is selling his 'version'.

I can think of at least one precedent in Oz that would see all 'profit' made by MrGRiM01 being awarded to vStyler [plus costs - the far greater imposition in this instance].

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Grimmy has been figuratively tarred and feathered.

and rightly so....

the sales on my Poison theme will in no way affect vStyler's venom theme and I know that is what is annoying him more then anything else, the fact I am selling a better theme for less money and lets face it, a fair price is what really gets to him.

Actually I was playing on the word penal and referring to him as a dick. I'm sorry if I offended you.

nah..... no offense..... we've had the convict jibes forever, from the poms....just took it as such....

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vStyler

Join Date 11/2004

+919

I can think of at least one precedent in Oz that would see all 'profit' made by MrGRiM01 being awarded to vStyler [plus costs - the far greater imposition in this instance].

add a large fries to that too please.

Thanks everyone for getting and staying involved. This guy is the lowest of the low in my book and anything he has coming to him is well deserved.

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the assault goes on with such vigor over work that has been removed

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A little support \ help please

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