I made a company of elite hatchetmen...

The company had 300 Hp, 250 Atk, 110 Def.

Everyones talking about ways to increase HP... They already have two ways.

First increasing the training of a unit boosts HP, actually... That's ALL higher training does.

Secondly grouping units into squads or companies allows them to share HP as well as other stats.

Hence elite + company = tons of HP.

That is for units. Champions need a better way to increase THEIR HP. Perhaps making each point of con worth 3 HP instead of 1?

Start with 30 or so HP on a champion and get +6 extra HP when raising Con. As it is now, Con is such a faulty thing to increase when compared to other stats the only reason to add to it is to gimp your character.

I also wouldn't be against having flat damage reduction for every 10 points of Con. Every 10 Con = 1 point of flat Damage reduction. As it is con is a joke when compared to Str and Dex.

As for normal units getting tons of HP, that's just a lame idea. I don't care if my knights are drilled like spartans, they shouldn't have HP above 30 points. The relative weakness of a single unit is the whole reason for grouping them together in squads and companies in the first place.

Did you even add training or group them?

On an unrelated note...

I agree with everyone saying

Attack/Damage should be split

Defense/Armor should be split

Movement/Attack speed should be split.

Strength should influence Damage in melee and to a lesser degree attack rating.

Dexterity should influence Defense and to a lesser degree attack rating.

Constitution should influence Hit points and natural armor bonus.

Intelligence should influence spell power and damage.

Wisdom should influence spell hit chance and resistance, maybe also reduce spell costs based on a percentage of Wisdom. Wisdom of 20 = 20% Spell cost discount. Should cap at 50% though.

Essence should influence Mana cap and perhaps the chance for a "Spell Surge" or the equivalent of a critical hit with magic.

Charisma should influence Champion recruitment costs and grant a bonus to diplomatic capital.

Base HP should be 3 points per Constitution.

The main thing I hate about the current system is that certain stats just seem utterly worthless. Like they aren't worth bothering with.

My warrior just adds to Str and Dex and owns.

My mage just adds to Int and Ess and owns.

They really need to make the other stats more meaningful and worthwhile.

It is realistic. It also tends to be very not fun in turn based video games, since he who attacks first wins.

If we were talking about "extremely highly powered weapons", then I'd agree. But we're talking about Shortbows: The most basic ranged weapon in the game. When units with basic weapons can go around killing everything in sight in one turn, there is a problem with the weapon damage.

Melee weapons get pretty high, too. Sure you can fit your guy with the best armor so that you have a chance to not die in one hit if your defense roll is high enough, but how much more expensive is that compared to the sword you're trying to counter?

Does anyone even mix/match armor? I never have, and for me at least it'd make sense instead of having individual pieces for your units, you just have a "set" after your research, and make that set comparable in stats and cost to a similarly ranked basic weapon (buff armor, nerf weapons, buff and nerf at the same time - whatever). That way your fully armored unit doesn't cost 10x more than an unarmored one just for a chance to not die in one hit.

True, but on average that wouldn't happen too often. You could think of them as glancing blows (100 atk vs 50 def doing 10-20 damage) or critical hits (50 attack vs 100 defense doing 40-50 damage). Either way, it will equalize it a lot more than it is now. I don't see SD being very happy about changing the battle mechanic too much, so tweaking these numbers is proably about the best we can hope for for release. After release, who knows.

At the very least it'll make it go either way, right now with a lot of things even if you roll near max defense, you still die often.

Having not fought tactical battles beyond Sovereign vs 2-3 units, I don't really understand.

Does it mean that a company is treated as one big unit?

yes it's treated as a single unit.

Black Knight

White Knight

lets steal some ideas from magic TG ~_^

*sniff*   It seems like only yesterday the game was struggling to get past Beta 1.  Already its growing up so fast.

- Better Army Management needed.

- Civ Research incomplete, just says improvements to blah blah blah at a certain point.

- There is lag still there in 3C, possibly some memory leaks?

I'm pretty sure these values are wrong. If I remember correctly (and I just did a quick verification of the first one), the formula are (E = expected damage, A = attack rating, D = defense rating):

If A = D: E = A/6

If A < D: E = A*A/6*D

If A > D: E = A/2 - D/2 + D*D/6*A

You are correct, my values were wrong. After having redone the calculations the exact values are:

If A = D: E = A*(A+2)/6*(D+1) = (A+1)/6 - 1/6*(A+1)

If A < D: E = A*(A+2)/6*(D+1) = (A+1)*(A+1)/6*(D+1) - 1/6*(D+1)

If A > D: E = A/2 - D/2 + D*(D+2)/6*(A+1) = A/2 - D/2 + (D+1)*(D+1)/6*(A+1) - 1/6*(A+1)

Agreed.

I second this notion!