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Zikurat - Fortress mode

September 26, 2009 3:45:06 PM from Demigod ForumsDemigod Forums

Hey guys,

I just watched a pantheon replay I made a few days ago and suddenly I noticed that the enemy giants had more hp than my own giants while we had 3 upgrades in citadel regarding creep hp/armor and they had 2.

I than started looking around and noticed that Light had the 30% hp/dmg flag while Darkness did not This seems a bit massive considering the diffirences. Their creeps have more hp and do more damage thus making them harder to kill, this becomes more problematic when the game progresses to cata's and giants.

I can send the replay if thats necesary, just wanted to to bring it to the dev's attention.

Regards,

Kannie

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Reply #1 September 26, 2009 9:00:53 PM
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flag capture locks FTW

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Reply #2 September 27, 2009 8:50:32 AM
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Sorry mate but you probably arent going to get much sympathy

Look at exile carefully as well

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Reply #3 October 1, 2009 3:34:40 PM
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Quoting AmaZinG_HerO,
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flag capture locks FTW

 

Are you mentally retarded?

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Reply #4 October 1, 2009 10:10:30 PM
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I than started looking around and noticed that Light had the 30% hp/dmg flag while Darkness did not This seems a bit massive considering the diffirences. Their creeps have more hp and do more damage thus making them harder to kill, this becomes more problematic when the game progresses to cata's and giants.

 

If light had their flag, and darkness did not have their flag, this means that I assume) light had both. This means not only is Light 30% + 30% better, but Dark is 0% better. That's a gigantic difference, and is wh ,yes, flag and mao control is very important.

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Reply #5 October 19, 2009 5:41:57 AM
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No I mean that the darkness flag was not there AT ALL. Not available so no one can control it e.g. Light has a distinct advantage since their creeps are much stronger.

Seen this on another map as well, I believe Leviathan Fortress mode.

Having a flag less means less gold, less war-rank and weaker creeps....

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Reply #6 October 19, 2009 6:22:07 AM
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What?! If this is true this is an horrible horrible advantage for light.

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Reply #7 October 20, 2009 6:47:38 AM
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?

I can´t follow the threat anyway. Pls excuse my english, but have you forgotten to get the dark flag? The flag is there, I played often on the dark side on Ex.

I hope, we play the same game with the same maps .

Can imagine, that a flag is completly missing through a bug or something. Can you catch up the video.

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Reply #8 October 20, 2009 6:55:29 AM
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What the hell... he is right! There is no Valor flag on the Dark side in Fortress mode on Zikurat.

 

While on the light side there is one of course:

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Reply #9 October 20, 2009 7:05:20 AM
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roflmao

 

i can't believe this has gone unnoticed all the way until now.  fail

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Reply #10 October 20, 2009 7:40:26 AM
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With my developer head on I'll ask the obvious question, has anyone tried a game and checked?  It could potentially just be a problem with replays so just asking.

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Reply #11 October 20, 2009 7:42:44 AM
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Quoting Haree78,
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With my developer head on I'll ask the obvious question, has anyone tried a game and checked?  It could potentially just be a problem with replays so just asking.
Yes... I tried it... hence the screenshots.

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Reply #12 October 20, 2009 7:43:04 AM
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Some karma for Kanniebaal! Good find!

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Reply #13 October 20, 2009 9:58:38 AM
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Quoting Spooky__,
reply 11



Quoting Haree78,
reply 10
With my developer head on I'll ask the obvious question, has anyone tried a game and checked?  It could potentially just be a problem with replays so just asking.Yes... I tried it... hence the screenshots.

Yea, I just tested and Spooky is right. All the other modes are fine, it is just fortress where the problem exists.

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Reply #14 October 20, 2009 11:50:25 AM
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Well, uh...  Hmm...  *scratches head*  That's...  aaah...

LOOK AN ELEPHANT!!!

*scampers away*

 

I will start kicking the appropriate people about this.

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Reply #15 October 20, 2009 12:01:01 PM
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Quoting Rosco_P,
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Well, uh...  Hmm...  *scratches head*  That's...  aaah...

LOOK AN ELEPHANT!!!

 

WHERE ?!?! WHERE?!?!

 

.....ahhh god dammit.

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Reply #16 October 20, 2009 12:37:31 PM
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Quoting Rosco_P,
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Well, uh...  Hmm...  *scratches head*  That's...  aaah...

LOOK AN ELEPHANT!!!

*scampers away*

 

I will start kicking the appropriate people about this.

 

While yer at it, could you swap the locations of the lightside Cooldown and Goldmine flags on cataract? As it is, darkside can focus more strongly on the health flag, and then push to the easily captureable goldmine flag, but light cannot (They have to focus on the much weaker mana flag).  This would even the maps up for the two sides.

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Reply #17 October 20, 2009 2:41:49 PM
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This made my day.

 

P.S. People play fortress mode?

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Reply #18 October 20, 2009 5:47:25 PM
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Quoting Epiphenomenon,
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This made my day.

P.S. People play fortress mode?
Zikurat has the mose enjoyable fortress mode of all maps. I played it a couple of times outside of Pantheon and Skirmish too.

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Reply #19 October 20, 2009 7:30:56 PM
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Please zip the replay and send to kwilas at stardock dot com. ty.

Kris

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Reply #20 October 20, 2009 9:37:39 PM
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This only seems fair.  I mean dark side has LE minion build, and UB...

/sarcasm

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Reply #21 October 21, 2009 5:54:48 AM
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Quoting Nakor,
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Please zip the replay and send to kwilas at stardock dot com. ty.

Kris
It's not just happening in his replay. It's generally the case.

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Reply #22 October 23, 2009 11:45:34 AM
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well i have to say that i noticed almost always some flag missing in fortress mode on any map, but that is played i 1.00 version, so i thought it is gone with patch (it seems it is not completely)

 

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Reply #23 October 23, 2009 12:13:07 PM
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Quoting Bobek_XY,
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well i have to say that i noticed almost always some flag missing in fortress mode on any map, but that is played i 1.00 version, so i thought it is gone with patch (it seems it is not completely)

There are actually supposed to be less flags in fortress mode.  With the exception of the one mentioned above, of course... 

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Reply #24 October 23, 2009 12:17:26 PM
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While yer at it, could you swap the locations of the lightside Cooldown and Goldmine flags on cataract? As it is, darkside can focus more strongly on the health flag, and then push to the easily captureable goldmine flag, but light cannot (They have to focus on the much weaker mana flag). This would even the maps up for the two sides.

Doesn't this cut both ways?  It's easier for light to defend their own gold flag, because they'll be focused on the fortitude flag also and will usually have at least 1 demi there at all times.    Dark is more likely to ignore the mana flag lane completely and is vulnerable to someone quickly going over that side to steal their gold flag.

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Reply #25 October 23, 2009 5:18:17 PM
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That's actually just another reason to change things. Both sides should be exactly equal, not roughly equal.  In the long run, one advantage will be more important than the other.  It is better for them to be exactly the same.

 

Edit: My point is that it shouldn't cut EITHER way, as opposed to cutting BOTH ways.

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