fighters don't spawn!!! In the hangar bays, starbases, or starships.

Why is this?

I'm hardly whining and complaining, friend.

To be honest, I'm worried more about seeing the Defiant fit into a role that she's best suited for as far as the mod is concerned.  The Mod Team is very welcome to their own opinions on things (they did all the work after all), and I suppose in the long run that theirs are the only opinions that actually matter in any way. 

But in the same way that they are entitled to their opinion, I feel I should have the right to have and express my own, and discuss it with others.  It seems that since I've discussed it with people, that the general concensus is leaning towards the Defiant and Akira Classes switching places as far as slots are concerned.  You said yourself that you agree with that idea.

But, for a moment, let's offer up a different hypothetical suggestion.

If the Defiant is going to stay a Capital Ship, it should act more like one.  Beef its stats up to be right under the Sovereign as far as shields, hull, and power are concerned as you research it right before the Sovereign anyway.  As numerous people have stated, a Cap Fleet of Defiants failed where a Cap Fleet of Sovereigns and Galaxy Classes suceeded.  So, shouldn't they be able to put up a fight like any other Capital Ship?

Of course, that wouldn't be very canon now, would it?

The biggest issue people seem to be worried about, above all else (including the mod team) is canon and balance.  To me, placing the Defiant in the cruiser slot and giving it the proper upkeep etc doesn't have any negative effect on how canon it is (other than people seeming to simply want it as a Capital Ship despite it just not being one), nor do I see it having a negative impact on the game as far as balance when the proper costs/upkeep/research/tech-level are applied.  Enough cost, build time, and upkeep prevents the ship from being spammed, as we've all seen with the Akira, and having the research be top tier makes it even harder to spam as well.

In the end, I don't want to make anyone mad.  I feel like the Mod Team members, like Shimmer, are taking my comments and opinions as an attack on them and their work.  That's not at all my intention.  This mod is the only reason I even bother to play Sins anymore, and I wouldn't offer a suggestion like this if I didn't honestly think that it could make the mod more enjoyable for all parties.

So, if I have offended ANYONE over the last few pages, I apologize.  If I've angered you or made you feel like I was calling you wrong, or saying that my opinion was somehow better than yours, then I apologize for that too.  I was just discussing my opinion on the issue, and thought it might add a different perspective into the mix. 

I'm sorry if all I did was cause trouble.

@ derenek

I think Fighters were removed from the MOD until a later release.

I like cheese

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Maybe I should join one of these games sometime

I've never actually played against real people....

I'd probably get killed!

no let them continue i find it very entertaining, there are some valid points being brought up, the problem is i can't justify doing it at this time. not saying it might not happen later on. just atm, it would serious inbalance the game becuase of the scale properties. the defiant is a cap because of its damage out not because of what starfleet says its role is. if i went by everything canon we wouldn't have a mod now would we? and i think we can all agree on that one.

-Shimmer 

Starfleet roles wouldn't fit anyway.  The Defiant is a battleship/escort, which are capital ship and frigate roles.  A small battleship is abnormal, but they bloody well made one anyway.

Edit: Defiant nerfers, read it.

Of importance, the Defiant is verified to be in the defence fleet at the very beginning, and the Enterprise had to traverse the distance between the Romulan neutral zone and Earth. The bare minimum for that would be around 20 lightyears.  Depending on what numbers you use, it was hours to get back, even days.

It may be the only thing my memory is good for, but I knows my tv shows and movies.

Well, I guess as long as I am one of the minority just tired of seeing the same endless debate I won't tell you guys to stop (and apperantly it is making a bigger impression than I thought ).  I think we should do it more democratically and perhaps put it to a poll to see who votes pro or con though and save all these pages (or maybe start another thread with this discussion specifically).

Since this topic is still open than, I will have to throw my lot in with all of you guys voting for bringing the Akira up to fleet carrier status and dropping the Defiant to the Hvy Cruiser slot.  My best evidence to back this up is that the Defiant WAS a hvy cruiser in version 0.3 and it didn't seem to suffer too badly in that role (atleast IMO), and back then you had the Lakota filling in for a Cap ship, so replacing it with Akira isn't too far fetched.  Also the idea of Akira being the Carrier Cap doesn't sound ltoo bad (or even just a carrier Cruiser if nothing else).

I don't think voting is the answer.

The mod team listens to the community, but the decision is theirs at the end.  They make the game, ensure it works/is balanced, and put in lots of man hours.  All a democratic system would do is force them to put in whatever the prevailing winds dictate, possibly at the expense of quality

I'm just glad that the team is making such a fantastic mod.  They know what they're doing, and I trust them to balance gameplay/canon

Can we stop arguing about the defiant and start giggling like schoolgirls over the upcoming Romulans? Let's guess about which ships made the Cap-Cut. Let's compose imaginary abilities for crusiers that may-or-may-not be in. Let's fool ourselves into thinking the blue orbs are getting bluer. Let us don our pointy ears and start stabbing each other in the back!

But please. Let's leave the defiant's fate to the developers, it's their mod, right? they'll get around to balancing later.

plz add more special abilities 2 the ships, not being able to spend level up points on cap ships is frustrating