Psychoak- *something* has to replace Pirate Corsairs :L. Why not Lakota refits? Or any old cast-off ships that can't be used in the mod proper? I agree that any castoff ships should be made into Pirate ships- would make raids certainly more interesting. Obviously this shouldn't be the mod-team's priority, but later on, I say go for it .

Could make them Orion Pirates...

Lemme quote something from the readme for the patch:

Replace the Entity.Manifest file, Gameinfo and String folder completely.

On a seperate note fellas, is it just me or has the Romulan Insignia at the top thread started to throb a darker blue ?

Thanks for the recommendations, all, I didn't know about the manifest entity file.  I wasn't updating it.  I managed to create several abilities with older versions of the original Sins without adding them, maybe they added a new checksum or something.

It would make sense, since you would get the minidump on startup vice getting it when you actually try to use the ability that the game didn't load.

Anywho, will submit the combat mine laying ability soon, then start working on boarding parties.  I don't expect that to be very hard.

Unfortunately, no it doesn't.  There is no Entity.manifest file under mods 1.03 entrenchment, in or out of the SoA2 mod.

If you don't have an entity manifest the mod shouldn't work at all. It doesn't look like a normal file. Just drop your entity manifest into the SoA main folder and it should ask if you want to replace the old one. If you're worried about screwing it up, make a back-up of everything first.

http://code.google.com/p/sinssoa2sacrificeofangels/wiki/InstallingTheMod

go there Alpha Sniper,

This goes for all of you check out the google wiki page for the mod most of your installation errors problems have solutions there

Maybe the Defiant Class shouldn't get Abilities at all....hear me out.

The ship's official lore describes it as a cost effective 'pocket' capital ship that is crammed with weapons and engines...BUT at the expense of labs, barebones engineering, computer processing power, reduced med center, and dimished crew habitat space/quality.

All the other Federation Capital Ships have advanced facilites/resources that allow them to develop/deploy their special abilities.  Even in the shows/movies, the special technological tricks the big caps pull off always have something to do with their advanced systesm in some way or another....advanced systems the Defiant lacks.

So, I suggest the Defiant be a faster than average capital ship with heavy firepower....but without any abilities at all.  It kinda helps balance what would be by canon standards, an overpowerd ship.  It would also make for some interesting strategic choices in terms of cap ship selection.

Check out the movie I posted on youtube for gameplay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh3PGR8NZxA

Hi JTAYLORPCS, I've submitted my Defiant ideas (garrett66666) at the google site.  Just giving others here the opportunity to chew on these thought.

I'm just thinking that the modders here can stick to canon by giving the ship it's combat power/speed/high armor, but not giving it any abilities (which according to canon it should not have anyway).  I've never seen the Defiant have engineering transer warp power to weapons/shields, or conduct high end diplomatic negotiations onboard, or have advanced sensor pods installed, or merge shielding with nearby friendly ships.....things all the other classes of Fed Capital ships have done.

The Defiant class doesn't even have the reactor to power most abilities anyway.  The ship has a tiny reactor compared to other Capital Ships.

The Defiant could also have low hull points (smaller ship) and reduced rate of fire/shield recharge (small reactor).

As for Micale456's comments about the Defiant's 'abilities' (big guns, big engines, new armor)....well, they AREN'T abilities.  The Defiant is packed with its weapons, engines and armor ALL THE TIME!

Hmmm, using the ship's specs, and lack of power/facilities for special abilities, it seems that this ship might be better suited as a Heavy Cruiser than a Capital Ship.

The fact of the matter is that capital ships in SoA2 function as normal vessels with elite crews who benefit from experience gained.  How is experience gained best implemented in this mod?  That would be through abilities gained upon level up.  Just because the Defiant class has abilities doesn't mean said abilities are "special features" as you describe them.  They can also be the manifestation of the crew's growing experience.  Perhaps the engineer discovered a new way to boost phaser power, or the helmsman learned how to better maneuver the ship, and I certainly don't see a reason why the Defiant couldn't transfer some of its excessive warp power to its shields.  Why can't these things be represented by abilities gained?

None of the things mentioned thus far have even remotely suggested that the Defiant class has the capabilities to perform some of the more multi-mission-type abilities that we see on the larger ships.  They simply suggest that the Defiant's crew has learned to improve what the ship is already good at: weapon power, speed, and maneuverability.

In short, what you are suggesting is that the Defiant be an overly powerful cruiser rather than a ship with an experienced and growing crew.  I would be willing to bet you won't be convincing anyone in a position to make a difference that your views are the way to go, but, by all means, make the additions to your version of the mod.  Heck, I'm jumping the whole thing 25 years into the future and totally reworking every faction just so I can enjoy it more when I play on my own. 

That's just my 2 cents worth...

Paradoxnt, I'm really not sure what site is giving you the specs, but the show clearly establishes that the Defiant is seriously overpowered (so much so it nearly shakes the ships to pieces).

Here's another source: http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/defiantengine.html

Sorry to be so picky, but hey I guess we're all fairly geeky.