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All of them tell you to blindly trust what some people somewhere at sometime said, often against the better judgment God provides us with.

Or the poor judgment Satan influences upon some.

More sillyness. I'll pray for you child Xythe - don't do this you are above that you sound like Aeryk now.

I admit, it was a bit tacky...but mostly ment to be a play on words. Baker most likely laughed when he saw it. I apologize if any offence was taken.

KFC, some parts of the Bible support reincarnation.

There is nothing in scripture that supports reincarnation including the two you chose to list.

First of all Elijah never died. He was one of two (Enoch the other) that was brought up alive. So how does this fit with reincarnation? Also, as Xythe already said, John denied he was Elijah. The truth be told, John was like Elijah. He was a forerunner and from his description looked and dressed liked Elijah did.

The blind man? If you go to the Psalms you'll see that it says "In sin did my mother conceive me." We are conceived in sin. We are born with sin. Jesus in fact did, and I agree with Baker on this, create this man with this infirmity for such a time as this.

You may think it odd Jen but you are looking at it from an earthly perspective not a Godly one. See, by doing this, many came to a saving knowledge of Christ as a result of seeing these miracles, wether it be via a blind man, a lame man or a person with leprosy. So because of these people many, many, people were able to live for ever in eternity. Belief is all that is needed for eternal life and because of these people many more came to believe in the miracle worker (Jesus) believing he was God in the flesh as they saw him at work.

I would gladly suffer blindness if I knew that many would be in heaven as a result of my blindness.

As a matter of fact you may want to read Helen Keller who was blind, deaf and dumb. She said there is something worse than being blind. Those that are able to see but have no vision.

You may also want to check out a lady named Jennifer Rothschild who has been blind since the age of 15. She is amazing and is also bringing many people to Christ with her attitude and love for God. God is using her to touch people's lives. She says being blind on earth is nothing in comparison to living forever in eternity. I've seen her on stage and I swear she's actually glowing when she speaks.

Good job Xythe. Keep up the good work~~

Again, KFC, the examples you use have zilch to do with the Bible being inerrant. The change you describe in people refers to God and what He does, not the Bible. If it is because the people chose the religion of the Bible, then you have to deal with the millions who change their lives and become devout Muslims.

Does their conversion prove the Koran to be inerrant?

I have no doubt that God COULD make an inerrant book if He wanted to. He's God, after all. What I can't do, however, is vouch for a book that doesn't itself purport to be inerrant. How could it? It wasn't a "book" until centuries after the authors had died.

In order for me to believe it is inerrant, I have to a) take the word of worldly religion, and overlook a ton of things that tell me that it isn't perfect. I consider some of it slanderous toward God, and I think there is pretty much no greater blaspheme than to blame God for evil acts. If a god can't keep its own commandments, it isn't really a god at all.

The difference between you and I is if, and I admit it is an IF, the Bible ISN'T perfect, you have to change your image of God to fit something that is flawed. That's why some people rationalize and excuse the barbaric acts of the OT god in order to keep their book inerrant. If you don't support biblical inerrancy, then you don't have to accept evil acts that are below even vile humanity as somehow being God's holy work.

I thank you for you comments Baker...can we kindly more on?

feel free to quote the Koran or whatever.

Is the Hall of Souls a fact or a myth?

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Xythe - are you going to start a thread on this to tell us more about it? It sounds interesting.

Actually Jen, THIS thread is SUPPOSED to be about the Hall of Souls, or the Guf.

It would be nice if Mr Baker would comment on that. I myself would be interested to hear what he has to say on this.

It should be esay for him, as there is no reference to the Guf or The Hall of Souls in the bible.

Jen,

Please understand that NONE of what I am going to say is biblical in any way shape or form. Besides, my understanding of all this is pretty limited. Anyhow, this is all I know about the 7th heaven (mythical?):

For starters, the 7 heavens are ruled by the 7 archangels.

The archangel Cassiel rules the most holy 7th heaven. Supposedly this heaven is the house of Gods throne.

It also houses the 3 highest chiors of angels, the Seraphim, Cherubim, and Thrones.

This is the heaven where supposedly the unborn souls of men are held.

- The Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs, a Jewish Spiritual work mentions the 7 heavens, as well as the Islamic Koran (as I am told, I have never read the Koran).

Your welcom Jen....Let us know what you find!

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The fact that you would swallow anything the Bible says about God, despite the fact that your own moral compass leads you to believe that such behavior is wrong, is telling. To me it says that the paper and ink holds more authority than even that still small voice.

  Great one, Baker!

Like I've said on other religion threads on this site, it seems funny that people strain at a gnat about biblical points while swallowing the camel of confusion . . . to use the Lord's own example. Many of you are simply parroting the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.

Like I've said on other religion threads on this site, it seems funny that people strain at a gnat about biblical points while swallowing the camel of confusion . . . to use the Lord's own example. Many of you are simply parroting the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.

I beleive I have made it quite clear, that the Hall of Souls is NOT in biblical scripture. Why continue to rant on this?