Don't see what Vista offers over XP except a new GUI?

Why do people keep complaining about the IT support problems? It seems like such a minor problem. If people aren't computer literate in XP, they won't be in Vista. Vista won't make things better or worse for people who don't know what they're doing anyway.

Not really what I'm saying. You write support documentation for dummies, click here, then here, then here (throw a screen shot in). Now along comes vista with a different interface! what do you do write two sets of documentation???

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Island Dog

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However, I am scared to see the price tag. I personally believe to get the best use out of Vista and my mobile devices I'd need the Ultimate Edition. I'd expect to see that (personally) to hit around the $500+ USD price range. Microsoft tends to shoot for an "All or nothing" concept. That has never went very well with me, that's the only reason I may not upgrade.

I agree. I want to recommend Vista for our small business, but we have many computers at a few locations, and the cost is going to be a factor.

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Not really what I'm saying. You write support documentation for dummies, click here, then here, then here (throw a screen shot in). Now along comes vista with a different interface! what do you do write two sets of documentation???

Ah, yes? Doesn't everyone do that already when something new comes out? I believe you shouldn't do something that you might be too lazy to redo or rewrite for a newer version. Your acting as if XP came out last week and Vista will be out in a few months. Get a grip dude.

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Isn't this the same situation with XP? In fact, when XP came out it was probably worse. Many people were still using Windows 95, 98, ME and 2000.

I don't think too many people are using 95 or 98 anymore, and people using ME probably aren't the most computer literate ones out there, or they wouldn't have ME on their computers at all. So assuming there are no problems with Vista, it should be pretty easy for most people to upgrade.

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Ah, yes? Doesn't everyone do that already when something new comes out?

NO you could give a novice instructions written for 95 that could very well be understood for XP, and definately 2000

I believe you shouldn't do something that you might be too lazy to redo or rewrite for a newer version.

I'm not talking about having to do re writes I'm talking about having two (2) sets of documentation. Or do you think it would be better to tell all my customs to upgrade to Vista and possibly require hardware updates in the process?

Your acting as if XP came out last week and Vista will be out in a few months.

And where am I saying this exactly???

BTW Now March Vista will be out by the end of the year, i.e. in a few months

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Yes finally article to enlighten the ignorant masses, I'm so sick and tired of technically ignorant noobs saying how they think Vista's a rip off and it's nothing more just a prettier version of XP and blah blah blah. This article saves me a lot of time and grief in having to explain the benefits of Vista to every half wit in the galaxy, next time some fool disses Vista I'll just point them to this article.

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Well, while it sounds good with that article, there is one thing that no one seems to notice. Microsoft is trying to take over as much as they can, all over again.

It's not just Vista. It's all of the other Beta programs. It's doing things that others have already done..............and integrating them into a OS that can eliminate functionality for any competitive software. At least for a while, hopefully (in their minds), forever.

I look at Vista and all I see is that Microsoft has been using us all to come up with ideas, designs, support and fixes for them. If they are having problems, as has been suggested, it likely lies in trying to compromise and utilize "X" software with all of the others. After that, they have to figure out how to keep those same programs out.

But, I'm part of the "Ignorant Masses". Yeah.

One needs little more than to Beta test a new MS product. Do that, you'll see the writing on the wall. Somewhere in the "MONOPOLY" settlement with the government, they made darn sure that they can continue to do as they please.

It's all a very handy game for Millionaires and, Billionaires.

And you know what? They will succeed. And I will upgrade. That doesn't make it right, or... better. It just makes it reality. SSDD

Now, if MS could come up with a completely secure P2P network? Hmmmm...............................

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Can't please everyone.

Some people think Microsoft shouldn't include any 'extra' software like anti-spyware, firewall, anti-virus, web browser, email app, media player, etc.

Other people, mostly the people who aren't very computer literate, want to have all of that included, so they don't have to go out looking for things they don't know about.

I think they should have two OS versions; one with the 'extras' and one with out.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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If there are arseholes out there attacking Microsoft's consumers/customers via attacking the product with virii, spyware, etc then MS has EVERY RIGHT to provide their clientelle with adequate protection via the inclusion of firewalls, AV proggies, etc.

If that puts third-party retailers' noses out of joint well tough luck. This is not an issue of 'Monopoly' at all.... but simply fault/failing correction of an otherwise fallible product.

Hole-plugging doesn't seem to be the total solution...as virii writers simply find 'other ways'...so the only solution [apart from product updates/revisions] is to have a proactive proggy sitting there on the lookout for new 'issues'.

If it were not called an 'AV proggy' but were seemlessly integrated within the OS Kernel would that make it less, or more heinous to these anti-MS/the-man whingers?...

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Too bad it appears that they need to re-write about 60% of the program and have pulled a bunch of the X-box crew over to help them. In other words; the early 2007 release may be wishful thinking.

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I believe that the re-writing may be just about rumour.

Posted via WinCustomize Browser/Stardock Central

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There are multiple note on the problems they are having on slashdot, and Rahul Sood's blog also talks about delays, although he does not specifically say that it is due to the functions associated with media players and such.
I guess too much DRm causes problems for coders too.

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thomassen

Join Date 01/2003

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The 60% rewrite rumor is false: http://www.longhornblogs.com/robert/archive/2006/03/24/16039.aspx

I guess too much DRm causes problems for coders too.

Eh?

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Island Dog

Join Date 06/2003

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Eh?

Don't bother. It's just another anti-Microsoft thought.

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I am not a Anti-MS Penguinista. I just dislike copy protections like starfarce and a DVD player that only allows me to change regions 4 times before disabling a piece of equipment I paid for. I watch movies in Korean that i purchased there and if it has regional encoding on it I screw myself if I watch it on my new laptop.

If all they wanted was 64 bit compatibility, why didn't they just update XP 64 bit's drivers and programs and license windowblinds from Stardock?
Here is some interesting stuff I just found through Slashdot~
More rumblings from the belly of MS. Their employees want heads to roll for the delays in Vista and Office 2007. Link

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Island Dog

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I would believe that article as much as I believed the other one. Of course anonymous employees writing to anonymous blogs doesn't stop the media from reporting it. Just remember, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

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If there are arseholes out there attacking Microsoft's consumers/customers via attacking the product with virii, spyware, etc then MS has EVERY RIGHT to provide their clientelle with adequate protection via the inclusion of firewalls, AV proggies, etc.
If that puts third-party retailers' noses out of joint well tough luck. This is not an issue of 'Monopoly' at all.... but simply fault/failing correction of an otherwise fallible product

I agree with you, but only to an extent.

My point is that they seem to wait for everyone else to fix their screw-up's. Then they take all of those ideas and incorporate them as their own. They aren't doing anything really original. They are just patching holes that should never have been left open (by them), in the first place.

It's more then a little spooky to me how many fronts Microsoft is attacking on. It goes far beyond fixing a product that was flawed in the first place. They have their hands in everything it seems.

I may have come off a little harsh in my last posting as I'm not totally anti-MS. I just think a lot of their business practices are extremely unfair and predatory. Even now. And their quality control is suspicious at best.

I tend not to like company's that release a bad product, just so they can sell you the "fix". Much less companies that let everyone else come up with the fixes just to run them out of business.

Do you believe for one second that if MS could take complete control of everything, they wouldn't? I think it is pretty clear that this is one of their objectives and, has been from inception.

In the end, you are right. It's a dog eat dog world and those that can't compete will be swallowed up or disposed of. Which isn't all bad.

Just my opinion though.

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Jafo

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I tend not to like company's that release a bad product, just so they can sell you the "fix".

Last I checked, SP1 and SP2 were/are free, as is each and every 'update' and/or system tweak to the OS. Also, the MS Antispyware cost THEM [MS] money....but as yet not so the consumer.

Too many people are too eager to jump on the MS-is-Evil bandwagon, probably because theirs is the system you all choose to use....

As for releasing bad product....perhaps it's time for all to read Nader's "Unsafe at any speed', or check the product recall notices in your version of 'Choice' Magazine.

Mercedes A160s that fail the 'Moose Test'.....cars that self-combust....Mistral Fans took out a fair few houses [and people]... Monitors that meltdown, also taking out the odd house or three....

THAT list is endless. [and horrendous].

I always like the simple wording.....things like...

The Product.... Honda CBR750 [example only]

The Problem.... The brakes may cease to function, causing a crash and/or injury.

The Remedy.... Do not ride. Contact...etc......

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Do you believe for one second that if MS could take complete control of everything, they wouldn't?

Control of what? The entire software market? Of course they would like being the only game in town, but so would every single other company out there, not just Microsoft. And you can't blame them for it.

I'm sure that Microsoft would like nothing more than to concentrate on their OS only. They don't want to have to deal with anti-spyware and firewalls and whatnot, as it costs them time and money. But incorporating that into their OS is the only way they can get people to think it's secure, reliable and easy to use.

In Europe, Microsoft was forced to offer a version of XP with out the media player. And yet, if they never developed a media player, people would complain they had to go somewhere else to download one. This is the same situation with anti-virus. People complain anti-virus isn't built into their OS's. But if they put it in, the other camp would complain that it limits competition.

I just think a lot of their business practices are extremely unfair and predatory.

Keep in mind that every company out there still has the ability to compete. They just need to offer something better than Microsoft. Mozilla overcame the obstacle of having every Windows PC having IE installed. Just because Microsoft can make deals with vendors, it doesn't mean it's unfair or predatory. It just means they're good businessmen.

A great idea is nothing if you can't get it to work.

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